Steve Parish said that being in the Premier League was '' ground zero '' for Palace.

That was 18 months ago, I doubt it's changed

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Cash strapped by Sakho, Benteke and Zaha’s wages some say. Well, we could have sold Wilf last year, didn’t. We could have got rid of Benteke, offered him a new contract instead. We could have sold Sakho after Cahill was bought in but didn’t.

If we are so cash strapped why didn’t we do any of the above? Instead we loan two of our centre forwards out, one of them on a stupid loan deal.

We buy a couple of youngsters and we say we also have a couple of decent other youngsters, but we don’t play them. We know we only have one choice at right back and left back but do nothing about it. We have elderly players that break down regularly throughout the season. I think we might have got one full season combined out of Tomkins, Schlupp, Kelly and Sakho.

Why has all this happened or not happened? Because Roy is the manager and he likes old school players who play exactly to his play book. If you don’t confirm you will not get on the pitch. As the Borg would say, “resistance is futile”. Well I for one think we need a few kids out there willing to run their buns off and show a bit of flair before we are buried by our turgid defensive nonsense that is now being found out.

Thanks Roy for keeping us up. Time to move on. Parish, sell Wilf and find another £50m and give all the money to the new manager. This current team is not good enough to stay in the Premier League.

Out of curiosity why a special mention for Chris Powell?

I cannot see anything in his managerial career that puts him as a candidate for other than an assistant manager role perhaps being mentored to take over from someone.

Edited by HKOwen (13 Jul 2020 3.50pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

If Norwich had of attempted to play like us then they may have stayed up. That manager should have been sacked 6 months ago while they were still in with a chance. Madness that he just kept sending him out to be battered week in and out. I couldn't understand it.

This is not Roy's fault, he has asked for support in the last few transfer windows and has got nothing to speak of. This squad has limited ability and Roy is playing the best tactics to suite what talent he has got to select from. It's been obvious to most on here that we have had a striker, Right back and an attacking midfielder problem for most of the time Roy has been here, he has done a good job in keeping us up, look what was going to happen if FdV had been left in situ. The current squad is full of players that previous Managers have sourced and when they did not get the money to spend anymore they threw the toys out the pram and walked. I accept that the current run is not acceptable but as Willo has eloquently said the run of fixtures played at the rate they are currently coming is going to have an effect on an aged squad especially when played in summer conditions. They lack match fitness because of the C-19 effect has had on training and playing time. The board have to accept that if they want to maximise the clubs value we have to be in the PL, therefore Parish/Freeman have to get moving now or as soon as the window opens and find the 3/4 players we need in order to help Roy get us through to safety at the end of next season, whilst at the sametime looking for the options they have to replace Roy at the end of next season. Sadly our u23 side seem to not have the quality to step up being 2nd bottom of that modest league having scored only 27 goals all season.

Like us they've had 4 promotions and 4 relegations, but at least they try to play football.

I really don't buy the "poor Roy, he's had no funds, he's adapted the tactics to the squad available" BS. As manager of England he had the cream of the crop from which to select, because of his tactics he turned what looked a fairly decent team on paper into a laughing stock. Roy Hodgson is the problem, stop making excuses for his negativity. Kane on corners? Need a goal? McCarthy for McArthur? Should be given a fond farewell and move on.

I disagree, he has kept us in the PL with a very average squad and saved us from certain relegation had we stayed with FdV and all this with little or no support in terms of squad strengthening. It would not be sensible to replace Roy now with the new season just around the corner and in anyway he has a contract to the end of next season. What good proven Manager out there would want to come to us with the club directors keen to sell and with minimum investment available to strengthen the current squad.

Is that you Roy?

How have we got an average squad we are around mid table squad and plenty of international players.

Squad is the magic word that Roy doesn't understand 25 men he appears to only know 13 max.

Correct he does have another year contract.

I agree who would want to come to us maybe if they knew Wilf was going and they had the money more interest but this club doesn't have good record of that does it we sell Wilf and SP does a bunch of super cheap or free players only.

The whole club needs full new owner ship not just Americans maybe when this takes place a manager of their choice will come in until then SP loves Roy so he wont get rid of him unless we was relegated.

Edited by grumpymort (13 Jul 2020 4.39pm)

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The record books will show that under Hodgson, England only lost 8 out of 56 games.