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Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm
Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter. You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what. We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'? Simple question - would you use the 'n' word? You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words. With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found.
Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting.
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Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 10.00pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 28 Apr 2015 9.38pm
Wish I hadn't waded into you lot trolling each other now. But I do think the lack of a credible left wing party at this election is striking. Say what you like about UKIP, they have an effective leader and an excellent electoral record.
'Electoral record' = performance in past elections. They won the Euro elections in 2014 with 27% of the vote. The Greens came 4th with 7%. In the local elections in 2014 UKIP gained 161 seats. The Greens gained 18. UKIP have put their policies on the agenda. Britain's EU membership is on the ballot paper at this election. Immigration is the number one issue in the polls. All the lefty stuff – nationalisation of industry, higher income tax, a 'citizens' income' - are not even close to mainstream issues. (And where are the ecological policies by the way? Not on the ballot, that’s where.) The projected number of seats says more about the system than the party. That said, UKIP will be a bigger factor in splitting Labour or Tory votes than all of the lefty parties put together. Scottish nationalists have built a credible party. The anti-EU right has too. Even the Taffs manage a reasonable showing. Where’s the credibly lefty alternative? The Greens are the closest you have, and they’ve fluffed it by electing a leader who is an elecrtoral liability. For the record, I’m not voting UKIP. I think the immigration stuff will be their downfall. Aside from Farage (who I respect) I think they’re a bit populist and lacking in substance. But by any measure you like, they’re way ahead of any lefty versions you care to mention.
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Quote legaleagle at 29 Apr 2015 12.02am
As I understand it,you have a major major problem about the number of immigrants coming to the UK.You have now gone on to suggest the "endless stream" of immigrants will vote Labour in the election and appear to suggest some sort of conspiracy ensuing from this by Labour to have encouraged the "endless stream" for this reason. A large part in numbers are from EU countries.Such people can't vote in parliamentary elections here.Non commonwealth national immigrants from outside the EU can't vote here in parliamentary elections either. According to a House of Commons briefing report on migration in 2014, c.two thirds of immigrants come from EU or non Commonwealth countries,so can't vote in parliamentary elections. The prejudices I was referring to?Just the rather silly ones expressed in your post I was responding to.
Edited by legaleagle (29 Apr 2015 12.20am) So you interpret my words in a way that suits your agenda and then construct a very biased argument in response. I never said Labour engineered immigration for electoral reasons but you were obviously very sensitive about that notion. I suppose you think that migration has no effect on the political or economic landscape as people on your side of the fence normally do. How is life in La La land. ?
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Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm
Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them. I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.
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Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 10.00pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 28 Apr 2015 9.38pm
Wish I hadn't waded into you lot trolling each other now. But I do think the lack of a credible left wing party at this election is striking. Say what you like about UKIP, they have an effective leader and an excellent electoral record.
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Quote pefwin at 28 Apr 2015 7.44pm
Quote matt_himself at 28 Apr 2015 7.29pm
What a pussy response.
This rubbish is why people, who say the phrase ""n" word" are trying to censor Mark Twain. History should never be sanitized for the convenience of the current age. The word has a place in society, and like any word, it is the context of its use that is significant, because it determines the meaning projected by its use. There is a big difference between hip hop stars using the term in reference to his friends and a white supremacist and only an idiot would believe that word, in both contexts, is the same. Words are defined by their context of use.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm
Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them. I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie. I'd imagine that true of every person who's ever been killed by someone else, that their family wished they'd never met the person that killed them, muslim, crazy or otherwise.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Apr 2015 11.03am
Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm
Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them. I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.
You don't in general, because they're a minority within a minority, probably just about on a par with crazy white folks with strange ideas that lead to them killing people. Sad fact of society, they're are always going to be 'crazy' f**ktards who think violence is its own solution.
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Quote Seth at 29 Apr 2015 12.33am
Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 5.46pm
Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm
Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them. I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.
You are not allowed to remember that, or 9/11 or 7/7 it's not PC.
I know right, no one ever seems to mention terrorism and muslim in the same sentence.... no wait..
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Apr 2015 11.36am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Apr 2015 11.03am
Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm
Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them. I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.
You don't in general, because they're a minority within a minority, probably just about on a par with crazy white folks with strange ideas that lead to them killing people. Sad fact of society, they're are always going to be 'crazy' f**ktards who think violence is its own solution.
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Quote matt_himself at 28 Apr 2015 6.08pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 Apr 2015 10.18pm
More of UKIP's 'sort'
How is that different from this man's crime? PS. You know you have used the term "bender" on here. Don't bother asking me to find where. Context of use, intent and meaning. All use of language is positional. If you refer to people in public, you don't know as being Arse Bandits publically, its very different than referring to people you know as being a bender, especially if you know they aren't.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Apr 2015 11.43am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Apr 2015 11.36am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Apr 2015 11.03am
Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm
Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them. I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.
You don't in general, because they're a minority within a minority, probably just about on a par with crazy white folks with strange ideas that lead to them killing people. Sad fact of society, they're are always going to be 'crazy' f**ktards who think violence is its own solution.
See, the difference here, is that I prefer to judge people primarily either on the actions of the majority, who aren't murdering people, and on the individual experience of having known quite a few muslims now who all seem to be equally horrified by such actions. The fact that most of those being murdered by groups like IS, Al-Queda and their affiliates are Muslims themselves seems to be lost on people, who just see it as an excuse to denigrate whole swarths of a population. In fact most of those who have actually been engaged against Islamist terror are other Muslims (Kurds for example are about 80% Muslim). By comparison, the number of westerners killed by IS and their ilk is insignificant compared to the number of other Muslims who have been killed.
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