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Originally posted by Putitout
There is no true double standard here. I am not belittling Sams abilities, or questioning the value of the service he supplied Palace with. You are.belittling Hodgson, not just on his pronunciation , but is football knowledge, management abilities, and questioning his attitude to money. Having no issue with the term Fat Sam, but being offended by the name Woy is a double standard. Continuing to defend the use of one term whilst critising the use of another is worse.
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Having no issue with the term Fat Sam, but being offended by the name Woy is a double standard. Continuing to defend the use of one term whilst critising the use of another is worse.
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
My two penneth: Performances aside, age alone means Roy will go either this summer, or at the very latest, next. Then what? More anti-football? Or do we change direction? Can it even be done? Asking if Southampton actually get better end results than us is a fair question, as is the response that, if the results are similar anyway, isn't it better to at least enjoy watching your team play? I would be the first to say 'Yes', even with a 0-9 chucked in every season. In fact, don’t forget that Saints recently managed four top ten finishes, making Europe once. They play better stuff, and get better results than us for what seems a similar budget. I'd swap in a heartbeat. But we cannot, and should not, aim to play like Southampton for two reasons, both I think get overlooked, particularly when calling for Roy to go: 1. Middling sized clubs can't survive playing decent football. Sadly, Southampton are the exception that proves the rule. There are just so many clubs our size who played better football than us on their way out of the league, and so, so few to play better stuff and stay up. In fact, there is only one: Southampton. Norwich, Bournemouth, Wigan, Fulham, Hull, QPR, Swansea, and post-Pulis Stoke etc all went down trying to play, whilst us, Burnley, Brighton (pre-Potter) and Newcastle all stayed up. Forget about how long we've been in the league now. What matters is how our budget compares to the rest, and that hasn't changed. If you were a hedge fund manager, or a bookie, you'd give a middling sized club a better chance of staying up, by far, if they played anti-football. Sad, but mathematically evident. 2. We can't play a pressing game like Southampton, or a possession game like Brighton without the kind of major overhaul that just isn't possible. We came up and stayed up playing counter-attacking football. Each new signing has been to replace a part of that particular machine. Team style is dictated by your players, especially your best ones. Just as Villas-Boas failed spectacularly when trying to get Chelsea to play a high line that didn’t suit key players like John Terry and Petr Cech, I see no evidence whatsoever that Zaha or Eze are suited to a pressing game, or to keeping possession for its own sake. Our DNA is the polar opposite. Southampton came up and stayed up playing positive football. Adkins built them that way in the Championship, and as good as Pochettino, Koeman and Hasenhüttl may or may not be, each inherited a footballing side, with signings made to suit that style. The new man at Palace won’t have that. We can’t play like Southampton, now, or at any time in the foreseeable future. We will have to get used to highly conservative football as played by Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson for a good while yet. A good realistic , summary.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
This is not the only issue but certainly a large contributor to the problems I reckon. He should have been banging down the door at every opportunity to request replacements. The door was there to be walked out of if he didn’t like what he was hearing. Soldiering along is not what was required. Some consider this loyalty, I prefer to think he knew this is his last job so he has just stuck with it, whilst amassing a nice legacy for his family. I’m pretty convinced he will be gutted though if his final job ends up with his own local club in tatters knowing he has been in part of that demise.
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One of the potential benefits of Hodgson going at the end of the season is we will get an opportunity to see what the players can do under a different voice.
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Ralf Ragnick... The Perfect Choice.... if only he would come....
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Massive double standard, but I'd expect that from the hypocritical supporters of Roy and their contrived arguments packed with excuses for his failings. It's not personal. The guy is 73 and won't get another job after this one. Coming to Palace was a great opportunity for him to vindicate the Iceland Roy tag a dire period with him at the helm of the England team that resulted in national embarrassments in 2014 and 2016. Unfortunately, he didn't know when to quit. He could have left with his head held high at the end of 2018 or 19, now he's just hanging on like a delusional, tactically inept despot dictator refusing to admit that they have been beaten. Complaints about him aren't based on the style of football, nor because we are in the top half. It's based on the 8 game winless run at the end of last season, 7-0 defeats, 3-0 losses to 10 men teams, 3-0 defeats at home to Burnley. He's been here 4 years, he is responsible for the squad, the tactics, motivation (or lack of), and ensuring each player is performing at the peak of their ability. He fails on all categories. We've got a much better squad than Pulis or Pardew ever had. Perhaps a bit weaker than the one Allardyce had, but he is performing worse than all of them. This season we are very very lucky that Southampton and Manchester United only decided to play one friendly each. Let's get someone in and give them the chance to have a strong finish to this season and build for next year. You really really really don't like him do you lol
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Originally posted by Willo
Southampton have lost 6 games in succession in the PL, the first time in their history. Edited by Willo (15 Feb 2021 12.00pm) That stat is a bit misleading though Willo. Palace would probably be the team to drop the most points from a winning position if in fact we could take the lead more often.
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The question still remains - who are you going to get in before the end of the season. Lampard is contractually unable to take a new position. Dyche and Cooper are not about to lave before the end of the season. The leaves Eddie Howe, and I assume SP is not interested in him or he would have done something sooner. Realistically we are stuck with Roy until the end of the season - he wont walk and SP wont replace.
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Originally posted by Gribbo
The question still remains - who are you going to get in before the end of the season. Lampard is contractually unable to take a new position. Dyche and Cooper are not about to lave before the end of the season. The leaves Eddie Howe, and I assume SP is not interested in him or he would have done something sooner. Realistically we are stuck with Roy until the end of the season - he wont walk and SP wont replace. Alan Curbishley - you heard it here first
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
This is not the only issue but certainly a large contributor to the problems I reckon. He should have been banging down the door at every opportunity to request replacements. The door was there to be walked out of if he didn’t like what he was hearing. Soldiering along is not what was required. Some consider this loyalty, I prefer to think he knew this is his last job so he has just stuck with it, whilst amassing a nice legacy for his family. I’m pretty convinced he will be gutted though if his final job ends up with his own local club in tatters knowing he has been part of that demise. At several points along the way Hodgson told the club that the players weren't good enough. We know this because he told the press on a number of occasions that he needed signings but that whether they arrived was out of his hands. The idea that, for the ultimate good of the club, he should storm out in protest or on principle following low level spending is a new, perhaps slightly ambitious criticism. If I understand your point properly, you'd prefer either a Pulis style approach, where the toys come out the pram and you drop the club as deeply in the s*** as you can once you find the chairman won't spend what the club doesn't have, or the Redknapp approach, where every other club you work for spends years picking up the pieces of the reckless spending you've pressed them into. Hodgson, perhaps mindful of the published, regulated limits of the club's budget, did neither and instead stayed around to keep us up within the budget we could afford. Whether he was motivated by a desire to keep on working, his salary, or by not wanting his last job at his first club to end badly doesn't really matter to me.
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
You really really really don't like him do you lol Probably wouldn't have him round for a dinner party. Actually, I'd try and get him s*** faced. That could be fun. Edited by jeeagles (15 Feb 2021 9.38pm)
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