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Hodgson did mention about the need for new signings.
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
My two penneth: Performances aside, age alone means Roy will go either this summer, or at the very latest, next. Then what? More anti-football? Or do we change direction? Can it even be done? Asking if Southampton actually get better end results than us is a fair question, as is the response that, if the results are similar anyway, isn't it better to at least enjoy watching your team play? I would be the first to say 'Yes', even with a 0-9 chucked in every season. In fact, don’t forget that Saints recently managed four top ten finishes, making Europe once. They play better stuff, and get better results than us for what seems a similar budget. I'd swap in a heartbeat. But we cannot, and should not, aim to play like Southampton for two reasons, both I think get overlooked, particularly when calling for Roy to go: 1. Middling sized clubs can't survive playing decent football. Sadly, Southampton are the exception that proves the rule. There are just so many clubs our size who played better football than us on their way out of the league, and so, so few to play better stuff and stay up. In fact, there is only one: Southampton. Norwich, Bournemouth, Wigan, Fulham, Hull, QPR, Swansea, and post-Pulis Stoke etc all went down trying to play, whilst us, Burnley, Brighton (pre-Potter) and Newcastle all stayed up. Forget about how long we've been in the league now. What matters is how our budget compares to the rest, and that hasn't changed. If you were a hedge fund manager, or a bookie, you'd give a middling sized club a better chance of staying up, by far, if they played anti-football. Sad, but mathematically evident. 2. We can't play a pressing game like Southampton, or a possession game like Brighton without the kind of major overhaul that just isn't possible. We came up and stayed up playing counter-attacking football. Each new signing has been to replace a part of that particular machine. Team style is dictated by your players, especially your best ones. Just as Villas-Boas failed spectacularly when trying to get Chelsea to play a high line that didn’t suit key players like John Terry and Petr Cech, I see no evidence whatsoever that Zaha or Eze are suited to a pressing game, or to keeping possession for its own sake. Our DNA is the polar opposite. Southampton came up and stayed up playing positive football. Adkins built them that way in the Championship, and as good as Pochettino, Koeman and Hasenhüttl may or may not be, each inherited a footballing side, with signings made to suit that style. The new man at Palace won’t have that. We can’t play like Southampton, now, or at any time in the foreseeable future. We will have to get used to highly conservative football as played by Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson for a good while yet. 1.name a premiership club our size who plays worse football than we do. Every team we play against from the top to the bottom teams, all look more comfortable on the ball and play better football.
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Originally posted by spartakev2
1.name a premiership club our size who plays worse football than we do. Every team we play against from the top to the bottom teams, all look more comfortable on the ball and play better football.
Burnley, Newcastle and West Brom play anti football as much as we do. We are in awful form recently whereas they've picked up in form, but the set up and intention is fundamentally the same. Sheffield United are also pretty poor to watch. I agree that we aren't as clearly defined tactically this season as in previous seasons under Hodgson, and I think that part of the problem (along with player quality and injuries) might be a desire to do a bit more with the ball - either that, or opponents are dropping off us a bit and letting us have the ball more. Our possession stats seem to be up on previous years, but that's made us worse not better. Which leads me back to the previous point - I'm not convinced this lot can play any other way than super negative and get enough points to stay up. Believe me, I'd love to be proved wrong.
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Hodgson did mention about the need for new signings. But surely it doesn't matter if this is Roy's strongest ever Palace squad, what matters is how strong the squad is in comparison to everyone else's? It is a competition after all. Plus, it doesn't matter how good you think your squad is anyway if half of them are injured.
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Are West Ham that much of a stronger squad and look how they are going at present.
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Hodgson did mention about the need for new signings. Doesn't really make much sense, all we need to do is watch them trying to make and complete a pass which can be achieved no matter what our opposition is doing, the reason we fail so much is also due to the movement when receiving a pass and more importantly making space so to be seen to pass to ..which is where we totally and completely fail when being closed down. Guaita quite often rolls the ball out for us to start a move forward but then practically every single time we stop before we even get near the half way line why are we so methodical with the ball, all I can see is our awful ability to make space for ourselves with total horrendous anticipation which results in our passing .....
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Are West Ham that much of a stronger squad and look how they are going at present. Looking at in another way.
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Originally posted by Casual
Looking at in another way. Yes, quite right.
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I agree with much of what you say and also about some of the decisions taken.
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Burnley, Newcastle and West Brom play anti football as much as we do. We are in awful form recently whereas they've picked up in form, but the set up and intention is fundamentally the same. Sheffield United are also pretty poor to watch. I agree that we aren't as clearly defined tactically this season as in previous seasons under Hodgson, and I think that part of the problem (along with player quality and injuries) might be a desire to do a bit more with the ball - either that, or opponents are dropping off us a bit and letting us have the ball more. Our possession stats seem to be up on previous years, but that's made us worse not better. Which leads me back to the previous point - I'm not convinced this lot can play any other way than super negative and get enough points to stay up. Believe me, I'd love to be proved wrong.
Every pundit last season couldn't get enough of their overlapping fullbacks lol
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So are the players disobeying Hodgson with this slow passing out from the back sideways and backwards?
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Originally posted by PatrickA
So are the players disobeying Hodgson with this slow passing out from the back sideways and backwards? Ayew is being wasted very badly this season, I feel he is moving himself to where ever he can find the ball because other players simply cannot find him so don't necessarily blame any individual for not being where you'd expect ..frustration is going to do their heads in, look at Zaha half the time he blows a fuse isn't because of just the treatment his receives but all the awful moves and passes that build up to it. Benteke does need good balls into him yes, but he's also lost the spring in his legs and the movement you need to confuse a defender somewhat, the balls into him are lost through good defenders stopping us crossing the ball, don't forget there is an organised premier league outfit trying to prevent everything you've mentioned from happening and at the moment our confidence is all over the place along with our poor quality as a whole ..we have some good quality but some of them have lost it and these few are losing our ability on the pitch. That's just my take on it of course. Edited by Tickled pink (16 Feb 2021 8.07am)
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