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View LostBlackCat's Profile LostBlackCat Flag 27 Jan 17 11.11am Send a Private Message to LostBlackCat Add LostBlackCat as a friend

Originally posted by james03

First half of last season and before I would have agreed with every word. However, there has been a marked improvement in PVA's defensive awareness started under Allardyce and carried on by Moyes.

No matter though as the proof of the pudding will be in the eating!

Back end of last season I agree, but this season definitely not! You clearly haven't watched much of us. He's totally reverted to type again and has been at fault for goals every week recently.

 

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View Petereagle's Profile Petereagle Flag Brockley 27 Jan 17 11.13am Send a Private Message to Petereagle Add Petereagle as a friend

Originally posted by LostBlackCat

You clearly haven't seen the lad play much have you?

After a few weeks you will be tearing your hair out and asking for a refund.

Very good going forward as an overlapping fullback and always chips in with a few goals and assists, but defensively he is absolutely shocking. Constantly out of position, caught ball watching all the time and often seen jogging back into position after needlessly giving away possession in a bad position.

If you have watched a lot of us this season (It's painful, believe me haha) you will realise that he alone has been responsible for at least half of the goals we have conceded this season.

I think Big Sam knows his defensive weaknesses and will,,address .them pretty quickly. I hope!

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 27 Jan 17 11.16am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by LostBlackCat

Back end of last season I agree, but this season definitely not! You clearly haven't watched much of us. He's totally reverted to type again and has been at fault for goals every week recently.

OK thanks, you've made your point, and clearly Allardyce doesn't know what the fcuk he's doing, so we'll see you in the Championship

 


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chateauferret Flag 27 Jan 17 11.21am

That Sunderland team improved considerably under Allardyce's tutelage towards the end of last season and now that he's not there any more they're s***e again. So I don't have a problem with him getting in players he worked with at Sunderland at that time, whereas when Pardew did it with Newcastle players that was a different matter.

 


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View stevo's Profile stevo Flag Reigate 27 Jan 17 11.23am Send a Private Message to stevo Add stevo as a friend

Originally posted by Petereagle

I think Big Sam knows his defensive weaknesses and will,,address .them pretty quickly. I hope!

Could be wrong but I have an inkling that BS will play Schlupp at LB and Van Aanholt out wide.

 


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View paperhat's Profile paperhat Flag croydon 27 Jan 17 11.28am Send a Private Message to paperhat Add paperhat as a friend

Originally posted by LostBlackCat

Back end of last season I agree, but this season definitely not! You clearly haven't watched much of us. He's totally reverted to type again and has been at fault for goals every week recently.

he'll fit in well with the rest of the defensive unit then

 


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View npn's Profile npn Flag Crowborough 27 Jan 17 11.39am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by paperhat

he'll fit in well with the rest of the defensive unit then

Except he also scores

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 17 11.46am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by npn

Except he also scores

Dann used to at one time !

 

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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 27 Jan 17 12.33pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by LostBlackCat

Back end of last season I agree, but this season definitely not! You clearly haven't watched much of us. He's totally reverted to type again and has been at fault for goals every week recently.

If that's the case (and I accept it seems to be quite a common narrative among Sunderland fans), then we should be very optimistic.

Because pretty much every one admits he became much more solid (while still offering a very significant threat going forward) for the back-end of last season i.e. when BFS was their manager. You know, the same BFS who is now our manager.

If he can get him to replicate that form then we've got a very good left back on our hands.

Some stuff I have seen suggests some of that improvement was down to supporting players, but we'll just have to wait and see. Whatever the fee actually turns out to be, it is clearly not a small amount but it could end up being a good deal all round.

 


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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 27 Jan 17 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by bashy2

But terms have been agreed fee has most probably been paid so why we waiting for Sunderland to buy another player that's not the way transfers are done palace shouldn't have to wait when everything has been agreed with the selling club or the player

Yes it is. Plain and simple clubs do not usually let a player go in January without knowing 100% that they have a replacement lined up.

How many times have we heard that this player was due to go here and this player due to come to us from there...only for the deal to collapse because a replacement couldn't be found.

Its like the housing market...you can agree a price and sign the mortgage forms but if someone in the chain can't find a house they don't move out and the whole deal is off or delayed.

How many times have we seen clubs make a late bid for a player and the other club says the fee is ok but we won't have time to buy a replacement. Its just common sense but there is a massive lack of that from fans during a transfer window.

Do you think it's just a coincidence that Sunderland seem to be signing a left back the same day they are selling one???

 

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Asian Eagle Flag Cebu City 27 Jan 17 12.49pm

Crazy prices but if we stay up it si worth it, rember where we were a few years back!!
This club be out of the leauge if it wasn`t for som dedicatad fans.
Guess that how things are today.Money is talking!

 

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View LostBlackCat's Profile LostBlackCat Flag 27 Jan 17 12.52pm Send a Private Message to LostBlackCat Add LostBlackCat as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

If that's the case (and I accept it seems to be quite a common narrative among Sunderland fans), then we should be very optimistic.

Because pretty much every one admits he became much more solid (while still offering a very significant threat going forward) for the back-end of last season i.e. when BFS was their manager. You know, the same BFS who is now our manager.

If he can get him to replicate that form then we've got a very good left back on our hands.

Some stuff I have seen suggests some of that improvement was down to supporting players, but we'll just have to wait and see. Whatever the fee actually turns out to be, it is clearly not a small amount but it could end up being a good deal all round.

That's a very good point. If he can replicate that, and its a very big if, then he could turn out to be a decent signing for you's. He was better last season, but still there were major flaws that were glossed over because the team started winning.

Personally I'm a little torn over the transfer tbh. I probably would have liked to have kept him, but if the reported £14 million is true then we would have been daft not to accept it.

Apparently he'd become quite a disruptive influence in the dressing room lately and isn't the most liked of players, so maybe this deal might be the best for all concerned.

 

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