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Master Coin Flag 14 Jun 19 9.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The money was ringfenced for the project was it not?

Why would it appear in the accounts? It is not football revenue.

You don’t understand the difference between revenue and cash clearly. The money would be in the accounts. Just not in revenue. And it isn’t really there. We have f*** all cash, not insignificant loans form shareholders and third parties and are making losses

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 14 Jun 19 9.13pm

Absolutely against selling him and want to see the best young players turn out for us.

The "only a right back" bit is an oversimplification given the injuries and inconsistencies in the rest of the back four and the pace he brings.

His attacking game needs work but defensively he's a beast of a player. How many times de he appear last season when we looked certain to concede ?

£50 mil might buy us a couple of promising players from the Championship or a Benteke type to replace one of the best defenders in the Premier League. No ta.

His sale would badly diminish our chances of staying in the league IMO.


 

Elpis Flag In a pub 14 Jun 19 9.39pm

If the lad wants to move up north never see the sun and eat tripe then good luck to him ,we can use the cabbage

If he wants to stay however it would be madness to even consider ANY offer .

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Jun 19 10.07pm

Originally posted by Master Coin

I’m a professional accountant with 15 years experience at one of the largest professional services firms in the world actually. So when I talk about our finances and what we “need” to do I generally know what I’m talking about.

Burn

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Jun 19 10.12pm

Originally posted by Master Coin

I’m a professional accountant with 15 years experience at one of the largest professional services firms in the world actually. So when I talk about our finances and what we “need” to do I generally know what I’m talking about.

With respect, Robbie Savage has been involved in football for 25 years and I wouldn’t trust his opinion of a kickabout in the park.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 19 11.06pm

Originally posted by Master Coin

You don’t understand the difference between revenue and cash clearly. The money would be in the accounts. Just not in revenue. And it isn’t really there. We have f*** all cash, not insignificant loans form shareholders and third parties and are making losses

Had it occurred to you that the money might not in the accounts because it is part of other interests owned by the shareholders.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 19 11.10pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Burn

We will see, won't we.

 

Bekken Flag 15 Jun 19 12.09am

The Sun report that we’ve slapped a 70m rating on him whilst Leroy Sane is valued at £50n. As good as AWB is, he’s not £70m and I can see us agreeing to £45-£48m with £5-£7m more should he make an England appearance, play X amount of games for United etc

Edited by Bekken (15 Jun 2019 12.10am)

 

Ali_Campbell Flag New Addington 15 Jun 19 12.21am

Originally posted by Bekken

The Sun report that we’ve slapped a 70m rating on him whilst Leroy Sane is valued at £50n. As good as AWB is, he’s not £70m and I can see us agreeing to £45-£48m with £5-£7m more should he make an England appearance, play X amount of games for United etc

Edited by Bekken (15 Jun 2019 12.10am)

It’s not just about the 1 player vs another to assess their worth. You also need to take into about the club, league, position and most important, what that player means to the club.

City want to get rid of Sane so the price tag of 50m seems fair. AWB is much more valuable to us (as he is irreplaceable for us) than Sane is at City.

Personally, a club like ours cannot turn down 50m (which is a shame) as we all want to see home grown lads turn out for the red and blue. But also, we don’t want to stand in their way. If he does go, I hope we have red circled some replacement (prayer emoji)

 

Master Coin Flag 15 Jun 19 3.11am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

With respect, Robbie Savage has been involved in football for 25 years and I wouldn’t trust his opinion of a kickabout in the park.

Which is a fair point. I was just getting angry at certain other comments assuming we have infinite money simply by being in the PL and refusing to acknowledge that we will need to sell from time to time

 

dreamwaverider Flag London 15 Jun 19 4.09am

Originally posted by Master Coin

Which is a fair point. I was just getting angry at certain other comments assuming we have infinite money simply by being in the PL and refusing to acknowledge that we will need to sell from time to time

Master,do you reckon we have any chance of replacing the American owners, assuming they want to selll?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Jun 19 8.45am

Originally posted by Master Coin

Which is a fair point. I was just getting angry at certain other comments assuming we have infinite money simply by being in the PL and refusing to acknowledge that we will need to sell from time to time

Then you got angry about something that no one said mister accountant.

Of course players get sold. It's when they should be sold that is the issue.
No way should Palace be pressured into selling AWB at this stage in his career or contract unless we are offered an absurdly large amount of money.
Personally, I believe that the player is worth far more to us on the field, as is Zaha.

 

lefty27 Flag ipswich 15 Jun 19 9.30am

Originally posted by Master Coin

You don’t understand the difference between revenue and cash clearly. The money would be in the accounts. Just not in revenue. And it isn’t really there. We have f*** all cash, not insignificant loans form shareholders and third parties and are making losses

How much is the clubs debt?

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Jun 19 9.41am


According to Sky Sports, via the BBC site this morning, AWB would favour a move to Man U but isn’t pushing for a move which is pretty much what he said a month ago. Who knows? Unlikely as it sounds maybe he’s happy to stay for his whole career.

I agree with Hrolf it’d be a bad decision to lose him too soon for two reasons: it’s a pleasure seeing him play for Palace and selling Kenny Sansom seemed to upset the team at the time. Not to compare them but good full backs aren’t easily replaced.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Jun 19 9.46am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Then you got angry about something that no one said mister accountant.

Of course players get sold. It's when they should be sold that is the issue.
No way should Palace be pressured into selling AWB at this stage in his career or contract unless we are offered an absurdly large amount of money.
Personally, I believe that the player is worth far more to us on the field, as is Zaha.

At what price do you sell then, and when?

And one player is not worth more on the pitch if you can get more players making the team better, and I saw that claim maybe covering
you’re loosening to sell but not now.

Will your answer be affected by the fact we can’t score at home or by a centre forward on our books or by a central midfielder and isn’t Benteke into his last season?

 


COYP

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Jun 19 9.48am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


According to Sky Sports, via the BBC site this morning, AWB would favour a move to Man U but isn’t pushing for a move which is pretty much what he said a month ago. Who knows? Unlikely as it sounds maybe he’s happy to stay for his whole career.

I agree with Hrolf it’d be a bad decision to lose him too soon for two reasons: it’s a pleasure seeing him play for Palace and selling Kenny Sansom seemed to upset the team at the time. Not to compare them but good full backs aren’t easily replaced.

Full backs are much much much easier to replace than strikers or attacking central midfielders which is an obvious problem area for us.

 


COYP

Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Jun 19 10.05am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Full backs are much much much easier to replace than strikers or attacking central midfielders which is an obvious problem area for us.

Yes they are but there’s something in the way he plays that suits the side. Maybe I’m trying to justify not letting him go and am not facing the pragmatic reality. Wouldn’t be the first time.

 

JohnB Flag 15 Jun 19 10.36am

Originally posted by lefty27

How much is the clubs debt?

We made a loss of £33,340,000 last year (2018 accounts)

We have about £17m cash in bank and £10m owed to us in debtors.

We have creditors of £134m including an advance of £29m from future premier league money

Our biggest problem is when a club buys a player the cost is amortised over the length of the players contract, so a £40m player on 4 year contract means we pay £10m a year for next 4 years on accounts.

When we sell a player the full amount is recognised in the accounts the year of the sale.

So when we sold Bolasie, Gayle, Jedi etc we brought in £45 and bought £92m of players but due to amortisation, we showed an EBITDA of £11m in 2017.

Without selling players every now and then we will not post any profits at all and will rely on being bank rolled by owners/loans.

*I will caveat this with I am not an accountant, I merely have a very basic understanding of accounts and the above could be wrong. Happy to be corrected on any of it.


Edited by JohnB (15 Jun 2019 10.37am)

 

JohnB Flag 15 Jun 19 10.51am

Dom Fifield has written this today.

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Dom's a Palace fan and normally fairly reliable.

 

PatrickA Flag London 15 Jun 19 11.01am

Dominic Fifield now reposting on the proposed transfer of AWB so I now give credence to the story.
If it happens I will be sorry as right back is one position where we can claim he is genuinely one of the best in the country and it has been a delight to see his astonishing progress.
Some will argue that at least we would be selling on our terms and we are not actively seeking to sell him.
But for me it would be another case of the top clubs hoovering up talent after little less than a year with the club where they were developed.
Man Utd have also bought James and are now strongly linked with Longstaff from Newcastle.
I hoped, perhaps naively, that we could buck the trend.

 

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