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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Jun 19 11.14am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

At what price do you sell then, and when?

And one player is not worth more on the pitch if you can get more players making the team better, and I saw that claim maybe covering
you’re loosening to sell but not now.

Will your answer be affected by the fact we can’t score at home or by a centre forward on our books or by a central midfielder and isn’t Benteke into his last season?

Why don't people understand simple concepts?

One more time. A team like Palace cannot attract top quality because it has little to offer. Wan Bissaka is top class, which is why he is wanted by United.
We will only replace him with an inferior player as we would with Zaha.
The top players we have lured have been damaged goods. Sakho and Benteke. We paid too much for them because we had the cash at the time and Liverpool wanted to offload them but still held all the cards.
The one position we desperately need is a striker but given that we are supposedly hard up, how much do you think we will spend of our AWB windfall? If we have 70 million to spend, it wouldn't matter because no world class striker will come to Palace.

One more time. Top home grown players are worth more than money to Palace because we can't sign top players with all the money in the world.
If we were lucky we would end up with an average striker, an inferior right back and another squad center half.
But wait, according to the HOL accountants inc, we have too big a wage bill and outstanding debts, so how does that compute?
Surely we can't buy anyone.


 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Jun 19 11.20am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Dominic Fifield now reposting on the proposed transfer of AWB so I now give credence to the story.
If it happens I will be sorry as right back is one position where we can claim he is genuinely one of the best in the country and it has been a delight to see his astonishing progress.
Some will argue that at least we would be selling on our terms and we are not actively seeking to sell him.
But for me it would be another case of the top clubs hoovering up talent after little less than a year with the club where they were developed.
Man Utd have also bought James and are now strongly linked with Longstaff from Newcastle.
I hoped, perhaps naively, that we could buck the trend.

I don't doubt United want him but whether they cough up the right amount is another matter.
I would tell those Manc B'stards to piss off.

 

Sportyteacher Flag London 15 Jun 19 11.20am

Originally posted by JohnB

We made a loss of £33,340,000 last year (2018 accounts)

We have about £17m cash in bank and £10m owed to us in debtors.

We have creditors of £134m including an advance of £29m from future premier league money

Our biggest problem is when a club buys a player the cost is amortised over the length of the players contract, so a £40m player on 4 year contract means we pay £10m a year for next 4 years on accounts.

When we sell a player the full amount is recognised in the accounts the year of the sale.

So when we sold Bolasie, Gayle, Jedi etc we brought in £45 and bought £92m of players but due to amortisation, we showed an EBITDA of £11m in 2017.

Without selling players every now and then we will not post any profits at all and will rely on being bank rolled by owners/loans.

*I will caveat this with I am not an accountant, I merely have a very basic understanding of accounts and the above could be wrong. Happy to be corrected on any of it.


Edited by JohnB (15 Jun 2019 10.37am)

Very interesting to read. Thank you.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Jun 19 11.49am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Why don't people understand simple concepts?

One more time. A team like Palace cannot attract top quality because it has little to offer. Wan Bissaka is top class, which is why he is wanted by United.
We will only replace him with an inferior player as we would with Zaha.
The top players we have lured have been damaged goods. Sakho and Benteke. We paid too much for them because we had the cash at the time and Liverpool wanted to offload them but still held all the cards.
The one position we desperately need is a striker but given that we are supposedly hard up, how much do you think we will spend of our AWB windfall? If we have 70 million to spend, it wouldn't matter because no world class striker will come to Palace.

One more time. Top home grown players are worth more than money to Palace because we can't sign top players with all the money in the world.
If we were lucky we would end up with an average striker, an inferior right back and another squad center half.
But wait, according to the HOL accountants inc, we have too big a wage bill and outstanding debts, so how does that compute?
Surely we can't buy anyone.


I fully expect us to sign an inferior player. That will always be the case. Always has, always will, and AWB will want to be with superior players. (I forgot to post that he will see this as a once in a lifetime opportunity, which most Man U potential signings do, including Zaha)

How inferior do you anticipate this guy to be? Isn’t this kind of level of player we’re scouting good enough for you or you or us?

‘Palace are already exploring their options over a replacement for Wan-Bissaka, and contact has been made with the Belgian international Timothy Castagne. The Atalanta defender, capped five times, has spent the last two seasons in Serie A and made 28 top-flight appearances as they finished third and qualified for the Champions League last season.’

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Jun 19 11.53am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Then you got angry about something that no one said mister accountant.

Of course players get sold. It's when they should be sold that is the issue.
No way should Palace be pressured into selling AWB at this stage in his career or contract unless we are offered an absurdly large amount of money.
Personally, I believe that the player is worth far more to us on the field, as is Zaha.

You still haven’t answered the following question. You’ve just said we shouldn’t sell except for a huge amount of money. So what’s your answer (opinion)?

And if we don’t sell these players, do we accept we don’t buy anyone and then in a year’s time have absolutely nobody to even play upfront, let alone score upfront.

 


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EddieMac Flag 15 Jun 19 12.48pm

I have said it once and il say it again. If United are willing to pay 50-60-70 million for an unproven player, then take their hand off. He can be replaced at a fraction of that cost.

 

sotac464 Flag Berkshire 15 Jun 19 3.33pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

I have said it once and il say it again. If United are willing to pay 50-60-70 million for an unproven player, then take their hand off. He can be replaced at a fraction of that cost.

But he won't be anywhere near as good.

 


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pssguy Flag 15 Jun 19 3.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

One more time. Top home grown players are worth more than money to Palace because we can't sign top players with all the money in the world.
If we were lucky we would end up with an average striker, an inferior right back and another squad center half.

Agreed that you cannot lure top players without offering European football, higher profile, better stadium or a salary that could not be countenanced - although Cabaye was regarded as quite the coup

But with our resources you need to buy well to improve the whole team. Getting the odd Wan-Bissaka or Johnny Williams from the academy just will not suffice

If we were lucky we would end up with the equivalent of a Bolasie, Milivojevic and Dann. Very lucky would obviously be getting a Zaha

 

Maine Eagle Flag USA 15 Jun 19 4.28pm

Apparently the lad has indicated he wants to go, therefore we should sanction the sale at the 55 - 60 mil mark.

This should allow us to keep Zaha and invest a bit in the squad, at least a full back or two, and maybe a forward.

He is a fantastic talent but thats a shed load of money and if he has now come out and said he wants to leave, its best to let it happen now for the right price.

 


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saveloy Flag carmarthen 15 Jun 19 5.48pm

Don't get all this unproven talk when mentioning WB,I think he proved himself well enough last season.

 

EddieMac Flag 15 Jun 19 7.30pm

Originally posted by saveloy

Don't get all this unproven talk when mentioning WB,I think he proved himself well enough last season.

He's unproven at International level or Champions league level. He is an excellent player and I love to watch him but he has flaws in his game. The hype from media has inflated his price.

 

Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 15 Jun 19 10.10pm

Originally posted by sotac464

But he won't be anywhere near as good.

But he will do the job we need.

We don't need a 50 million pound RB.

He has signed for united, we got just shy over 50 million and the zaha sell on fee waived. It's only a matter of time before it's announced.

He'll have a crackin summer with England and everyone in the know will say what a great deal blah blah.

How we spend the money, is another thing. Zaha looks likely to stay in london (for personal reasons) so this season is make or break.

 


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braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 16 Jun 19 10.05am

Originally posted by Vaibow

But he will do the job we need.

We don't need a 50 million pound RB.

He has signed for united, we got just shy over 50 million and the zaha sell on fee waived. It's only a matter of time before it's announced.

He'll have a crackin summer with England and everyone in the know will say what a great deal blah blah.

How we spend the money, is another thing. Zaha looks likely to stay in london (for personal reasons) so this season is make or break.

just seen rumour on twitter from a sun journo (i know) utd offering scottt mctominay.

not sure we need another CM

 


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MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 16 Jun 19 11.38am

Originally posted by Vaibow

But he will do the job we need.

We don't need a 50 million pound RB.

He has signed for united, we got just shy over 50 million and the zaha sell on fee waived. It's only a matter of time before it's announced.

He'll have a crackin summer with England and everyone in the know will say what a great deal blah blah.

How we spend the money, is another thing. Zaha looks likely to stay in london (for personal reasons) so this season is make or break.

Have to agree - and in essence if we value Zaha at £70m and of the sell on is indeed 20% we’ve done a deal on AWB to the value of potentially £65m+. That’s a great bit of business by the club.

 

JohnB Flag 16 Jun 19 11.43am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

just seen rumour on twitter from a sun journo (i know) utd offering scottt mctominay.

not sure we need another CM

McArthur is 31, 32 later this year. They are very similar in the sense of the role they play, box to box play it simple.

I didn't think much of him when he broke into the Utd team under Jose but he put in some good performances last season and scored a couple of decent goals.

Wouldn't be unhappy about this and he's the kind of unsung hero centre mid that would do well here.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 16 Jun 19 11.52am

Sell AWB, buy Sessegnon for £35m and Castagne or Dumfries for £25m, that’s our fullback worries on both sides sorted with top quality players.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Jun 19 12.11pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You still haven’t answered the following question. You’ve just said we shouldn’t sell except for a huge amount of money. So what’s your answer (opinion)?

And if we don’t sell these players, do we accept we don’t buy anyone and then in a year’s time have absolutely nobody to even play upfront, let alone score upfront.

We survived with loans this season and could do so again.

If we sell AWB because we need the money then how will we spend that money on players and increase the wage bill further? That makes no sense.

We either need to sell or we don't need to sell.

He has a three year contract so we can keep him at least another season whether he fancies a move to United or not. He has no right to demand a move and would be ill advised to do so.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jun 19 12.11pm

Some 4 years ago, McTominay was only 5ft 6in but had a growth spurt and is now 6ft 4in.Good in the air and works hard.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Jun 19 12.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We survived with loans this season and could do so again.

If we sell AWB because we need the money then how will we spend that money on players and increase the wage bill further? That makes no sense.

We either need to sell or we don't need to sell.

He has a three year contract so we can keep him at least another season whether he fancies a move to United or not. He has no right to demand a move and would be ill advised to do so.

Player power exists in today’s game. No denying that. Assets are too valuable.

How about not needing all of the money for financial reasons or to increase playing and squad quality in the team. Maybe both. Now there’s a thought. One you won’t accept.

 


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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 16 Jun 19 12.30pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Have to agree - and in essence if we value Zaha at £70m and of the sell on is indeed 20% we’ve done a deal on AWB to the value of potentially £65m+. That’s a great bit of business by the club.

according to newsnow that's the latest development, if Man U want AWB they have to drop the sell-on clause for Zaha, we may as well play hard ball since if we don't sell either of them we aint too bothered, I reckon they'll both go and we will have a bit of restructuring with Hodgson players, McTominay and Castagne look like good acquistions, with a winger like Michael Antonio we'd only need one more squad player and we'd still be in profit

 

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