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Is It Time For Roy To Go, Yes or NO
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southnorwoodhill 13 Jul 20 7.23pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Players train hard, are well prepared and know their jobs, but sometimes due to a variety of reasons they just don't deliver when they cross that white line much to the frustration of the manager.
Nothing to do with putting the Prem's top striker on corner duty, thus making life easier for the opposition defenders I presume
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 13 Jul 20 7.29pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I know someone who spoke to Ray Lewington about the Iceland game. Lewington confirmed that their preparation was as meticulous as ever but the players just "Froze" on the day.Such is football.
Of course they froze, they were playing the men of Ice.
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Den1923 13 Jul 20 7.29pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Players train hard, are well prepared and know their jobs, but sometimes due to a variety of reasons they just don't deliver when they cross that white line much to the frustration of the manager.
That is exactly right just take Wilf and Benteke as examples!
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Painter Croydon 13 Jul 20 7.30pm |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
Hmm, in Farke's three seasons they've hardly spent any money and their net spend is -50m.
They got promoted playing excellent football and didn't strengthen. They have made it clear they were expecting relegation this season. So I doubt it is all about their playing style.
Norwich are reportedly £35m in debt, so if their nett spend is -£50m. where has all the money gone. They were the first club to furlough staff, sure sign of problems.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 7.33pm |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
Nothing to do with putting the Prem's top striker on corner duty, thus making life easier for the opposition defenders I presume
I have already commented on this. Kane was deemed the best deliverer of a ball and there were others who had the ability to attack the ball in the area.
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Painter Croydon 13 Jul 20 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
I really don't buy the "poor Roy, he's had no funds, he's adapted the tactics to the squad available" BS. As manager of England he had the cream of the crop from which to select, because of his tactics he turned what looked a fairly decent team on paper into a laughing stock. Roy Hodgson is the problem, stop making excuses for his negativity. Kane on corners? Need a goal? McCarthy for McArthur? Should be given a fond farewell and move on.
Why is it a problem keeping us in the Premier. It appears your the one with negativity.
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 13 Jul 20 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely.
Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things
That was my point really. The owners can't sell much a vision when everybody knows some of them want out.
There's a lot of talk about overhaul this and overhaul that but with the prospect of a shorter pre-season, everyone being strapped for cash and an ageing, unbalanced squad it's difficult to see a way out. Constant references to wage bills etc are a complete red herring as so many players have been with the club a while and are on the way down or have become injury prone (or have been plain crap).
Dyche's name keeps getting thrown about but he appears to have had a breakdown in relationship with the Burnley owner over resources and we've got previous for similar.
I also seem to recall (correct me if I'm wrong) that one of the Palace supporting journos tweeted or reported that Dyche had been interviewed at the time of the De Boer fiasco but was discounted very quickly afterwards.
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PatrickA London 13 Jul 20 9.12pm |
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The heading of this thread is to ask if it’s time for Hodgson to go. In my opinion yes. I have read all the posts and have seen no persuasive or coherent argument otherwise. I was happy with Roy in his first season and thought he did a very good job and made the best use of his squad. We also played some decent football. The best of Hodgson if you like. However, this season we have seen the worst of him and I don’t see the situation improving under him and would not wish to entrust the required refresh and rebuild of the squad to him.
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nead1 13 Jul 20 9.30pm |
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And in my opinion it's a No. Football is a game of opinions after all! But let's look at some of the reasons -
a coach of huge experience who knows football more than most of us could ever dream of
a coach who doesn't panic under pressure. How many people would have walked into Palace after 7 games, no points, no goals and comfortably kept us up (c) tactically astute. Look at the wins over Man City, Arsenal, Man Utd - to name a few (d) the players respect him and his methods. No hint of dressing room issues have emerged under Roy
Of course, the past 5 games have been pretty dreadful but it needs to be balanced in the round. We were safe with 8 games to go and the circumstances of Covid make the games feel like friendlies. Roy knows the squad needs freshening up as he has said so often enough; he also knows the kind of younger players who are likely to work. I would certainly trust his judgement in the market and its most unlikely he would have gone after the likes of Benteke or Sakko - two of the three big earners - in my judgement.
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eaglesdare 13 Jul 20 9.30pm |
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I'm happy with Roy! I really really really really really really really don't want to do a Charlton! 🙈
Even West Ham have tried moving to the "next level" and it's almost costing them!
I'm happy to loose a few, win a few, loose a few and win a few! It happens it's football! If I wanted entertaining football and win every week I would have supported a top 4 team! Im happy to fly over every 2 weeks to watch Palace win, loose or draw! Whatever football we play I'm just happy to watch them play! :-)
For me these are the good times! I'm happy enough!
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robdave2k 13 Jul 20 9.33pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Players train hard, are well prepared and know their jobs, but sometimes due to a variety of reasons they just don't deliver when they cross that white line much to the frustration of the manager.
And all of them froze in 2014 and 2016.
Liverpool players freely admit they didn’t enjoy it under Hodgson.
Common denominator? Hmmmmmmmm
Man calls you a horse - punch him in the face
Second man calls you a horse - call him an idiot
Third man calls you a horse - time to get fitted with a saddle.
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Brinscall Eagle Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 13 Jul 20 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
The heading of this thread is to ask if it’s time for Hodgson to go. In my opinion yes. I have read all the posts and have seen no persuasive or coherent argument otherwise. I was happy with Roy in his first season and thought he did a very good job and made the best use of his squad. We also played some decent football. The best of Hodgson if you like. However, this season we have seen the worst of him and I don’t see the situation improving under him and would not wish to entrust the required refresh and rebuild of the squad to him.
Is it the worst of the players we have seen rather than the worst of the manager. After all Roy’s game plan has not changed much ever since he came. Surely it is the player’s performances which are the greater variable
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PatrickA London 13 Jul 20 10.00pm |
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Comes back to accountability of the manager. Can’t give Hodgson a free pass because of the players . He selects them, coaches them and is supposed to motivate them. This is surely what management is all about . In my view part of the reason why Townsend and Zaha have failed this season is because of the defensive positions they are required to take during the majority of the games. This has to be down to Hodgson and is part of the reason we carry no threat or thrust in the wide areas. We also are extremely conservative in our midfield play. I cannot accept that Hodgson bears no responsibility.
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KAOS In a tree 13 Jul 20 10.13pm |
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My instinct is to say no to getting rid of Roy. However, if we lose the remaining games (quite likely looking at the opposition) then I wouldn’t argue with him leaving by mutual consent.
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Tickled pink Cornwall 13 Jul 20 11.22pm |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
I really don't buy the "poor Roy, he's had no funds, he's adapted the tactics to the squad available" BS. As manager of England he had the cream of the crop from which to select, because of his tactics he turned what looked a fairly decent team on paper into a laughing stock. Roy Hodgson is the problem, stop making excuses for his negativity. Kane on corners? Need a goal? McCarthy for McArthur? Should be given a fond farewell and move on.
We had eighteen shots at their goal and only four were on target, please explain how Hodgson made the cream of the crop miss the target completely fourteen times. It was reported and very easy to find that the England players let Mr Hodgson badly down that day. Against Liverpool they really turned up and we lost Zaha after ten mins, Burnley we lost because Guaita made a mistake and Ayew missed a sitter, against Leicester we made two horrendous mistakes for their first two goals leaving us too much to do, Chelsea we scored two which made our performance look better although our defending was again horrendous, Villa's first goal was a result of terrible marking allowing a simple strike at our goal and I thought Villa got away with a full on wind up through out the whole match, all these games apart from Liverpool were lost because of bloody awful individual mistakes, we rely on not making all these mistakes and I fail to see how any of them came be blamed on our manager.
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Tickled pink Cornwall 13 Jul 20 11.31pm |
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Originally posted by KAOS
My instinct is to say no to getting rid of Roy. However, if we lose the remaining games (quite likely looking at the opposition) then I wouldn’t argue with him leaving by mutual consent.
Why would he do that, he has done a miraculous job with the squad, how can we be so awful with backing a manager that is Palace through and through. We can beat Moan.U tonight they were poor at the end against Southampton who I thought looked extremely average with some dreadful passing and we can beat Wolves in the same way we beat them last season, Spurs look awful.
We should back our manager.
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Tickled pink Cornwall 13 Jul 20 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Comes back to accountability of the manager. Can’t give Hodgson a free pass because of the players . He selects them, coaches them and is supposed to motivate them. This is surely what management is all about . In my view part of the reason why Townsend and Zaha have failed this season is because of the defensive positions they are required to take during the majority of the games. This has to be down to Hodgson and is part of the reason we carry no threat or thrust in the wide areas. We also are extremely conservative in our midfield play. I cannot accept that Hodgson bears no responsibility.
Ayew has been our only real threat, midfield inability has nothing to do with our coaching.
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Legal_Eagle11 Essex 14 Jul 20 1.15am |
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I think we can all agree our football this season has invariably been awful to watch. Dull, utterly one-dimensional, predictable, turgid football.
Combine that with a 💩 run of results, and performances devoid of passion, and it’s no surprise people are calling for Roy’s departure. The players, and our captain, also need to take responsibility for some pitiful performances.
I hope, for the sake of the club and its football, something changes to rejuvenate the players’ and fans’ passion. I can’t see that happening though with Roy’s brand of football (whether it keeps you in the PL or not).
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PatrickA London 14 Jul 20 7.47am |
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I didn’t say inability in midfield. I said our conservative play in midfield which is partly attributable to Hodgson’s player selection and tactics. Hodgson never tried Camarasa who offered something different to the other solid midfielders, presumably because he didn’t fit Hodgson’s beloved defensive shape. Hodgson has totally mismanaged Meyer, who may not be good enough but we’ll never find out as he’s never had a proper run in central midfield. The cheerleaders can continue to salute him as our finest ever manager while Hodgson takes us to potentially 8 defeats on the trot and a downward spiral. To me this seems like living in an Alice in Wonderland type world where poor performances and mediocrity are seen as a cause of celebration.
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 14 Jul 20 8.01am |
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Camarasa was a sick note with a bad attitude who had his own medical adviser. It is telling that his parent club were loaning him despite struggling in the league.
Meyer isn’t good enough so why would Roy give him a run of games in central midfield when premier league points are so precious ? In fact he failed to impose himself against 10 man Grimsby when played centrally. Similarly poor against Colchester.
Meyer was given a chance at the start of the season and was weak and wasteful when presented with some good openings against Everton and anonymous against Sheffield Utd. He was dropped and we then beat Man Utd and Villa.
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