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 Midlands Eagle  22 Apr 20 9.54am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
One of the problems is that so called experts will never agree with each other on anything so some experts will say that the Government followed the right lines whilst others will disagree. It's a bit like the HOL disagreements after losing a game but the stakes are higher with Corona
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Apr 20 10.07am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
One of the problems is that so called experts will never agree with each other on anything so some experts will say that the Government followed the right lines whilst others will disagree. It's a bit like the HOL disagreements after losing a game but the stakes are higher with Corona They can be let off the hook here and will be partly why they chose to stick to the advice from the advisors. The lack of PPE after hearing about all the failings on it is inexcusable and some people and/or some bureaucracy is the reason, should be addressed and held to account where appropriate. Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 Apr 2020 10.19am)
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 Apr 20 11.03am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
But if he did make avoidable errors countless deaths may have been the consequence. Huge stakes here. True. Of course being the Minister in charge, the ultimate responsibility rests with you. The fact that, those paid to make decisions in your Department may be incompetent, does not save your job. Jacquie Smith found this out just prior to Bulgaria/Romania joining the EU.
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 Apr 20 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
If heads are going to roll, and I think this is premature as the facts are not yet in, it must also include senior civil servants and advisors. The idea that the Health Secretary on his own is solely responsible for the mistakes doesn't make sense. It maybe as the senior he has to carry the can but it's about time that those further down the ladder also have accountability. I would make 2 further points : 1. As far as we can tell the government has followed the expert advice. If that is true and the advice is wrong that needs to be recognised. 2. There appears to be incompetence or inefficiency around testing of NHS staff and procurement of PPE. Somebody is responsible and is supposed to be in charge of this and if they are allowing red tape to gum up the works they need to be held accountable.* *I was in charge of my department on 2 occasions we had major disasters one of them being 9/11. I identified the blockages preventing business as usual and escalated them to senior management requesting a deviation from normal procedures to unlock these road blocks. I would hope that someone in the NHS / Civil Service is doing the same thing if not why not. Totally agree, but in that include those managing hospitals. I only say this because this morning on TV, they highlighted two examples of elderly patients who had tested positive for Coronavirus, but not ill enough to remain in hospital, who were sent back to their care homes. The care homes obviously did not want to take them back but were told by the paramedics they had to! WTF. Now this was not the paramedics decision, they were following instructions. Those giving these instructions not to be accountable.
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| Midlands Eagle 22 Apr 20 12.53pm |
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I was quite impressed with Keir Starmer's performance at PMQs today as he asked all of the relevant questions but resisted the temptation to try and make political capital out of the current crisis. Dominic Raab was quite impressive too in what must have been a very difficult role for him today
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Apr 20 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I was quite impressed with Keir Starmer's performance at PMQs today as he asked all of the relevant questions but resisted the temptation to try and make political capital out of the current crisis. Dominic Raab was quite impressive too in what must have been a very difficult role for him today Reporter on LBC has just given praise. Starmer realises there isn’t likely to be an Election for 4 years so is focused on being the opposition. He uses his experience and ability in law and his questions lead from one to another in a forensic dismantling of the government’s actions. I heard a few of these. There should’ve been more of this in recent weeks. The testing was never going to reach 100,000 at the end of April. He was right to question why if they had the capacity to test 40,000 yesterday, why did they test half? The testing and PPE procurement has been unsatisfactory to be polite about it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 Apr 2020 1.43pm)
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Teddy Eagle  22 Apr 20 2.02pm |
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This is from 2013. It’s long but highlights some of the problems with NHS procurement at the time.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 22 Apr 20 2.38pm |
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Financial times saying the real number of deaths up to yesterday is likely to be over 41000, all will come out in time i guess!
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 22 Apr 20 2.54pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I was quite impressed with Keir Starmer's performance at PMQs today as he asked all of the relevant questions but resisted the temptation to try and make political capital out of the current crisis. Dominic Raab was quite impressive too in what must have been a very difficult role for him today Agreed. He understand the value of not disagreeing for the sake of it. Andy Burnham is another, he will give credit where he believes credit is due but disagree when he believes so. I found Corbyn nauseas how he would disagree with absolutely bloody everything, often it seemed just for the sake of it. Not particularly a labour fan but good to see credible opposition.
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| DanH SW2 22 Apr 20 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Reporter on LBC has just given praise. Starmer realises there isn’t likely to be an Election for 4 years so is focused on being the opposition. He uses his experience and ability in law and his questions lead from one to another in a forensic dismantling of the government’s actions. I heard a few of these. There should’ve been more of this in recent weeks. The testing was never going to reach 100,000 at the end of April. He was right to question why if they had the capacity to test 40,000 yesterday, why did they test half? The testing and PPE procurement has been unsatisfactory to be polite about it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 Apr 2020 1.43pm) I think Keir's background will be a huge plus for him when it comes to things like PMQs. He has vast experience in forensic questioning, picking up on inconsistencies in responses and thinking on his feet. Very much the opposite to Corbyn who came in with a pre-determined line of attack.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Apr 20 3.35pm |
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| Mapletree Croydon 22 Apr 20 3.56pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Reporter on LBC has just given praise. Starmer realises there isn’t likely to be an Election for 4 years so is focused on being the opposition. He uses his experience and ability in law and his questions lead from one to another in a forensic dismantling of the government’s actions. I heard a few of these. There should’ve been more of this in recent weeks. The testing was never going to reach 100,000 at the end of April. He was right to question why if they had the capacity to test 40,000 yesterday, why did they test half? The testing and PPE procurement has been unsatisfactory to be polite about it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 Apr 2020 1.43pm) One answer is that you have to be ill to get tested but also have to go to a drive-through. So no car, no test. Who will drive you there if you have COVID. Frustrating
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