 Cucking Funt  Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 1.54pm |
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Quote Bexter at 09 Mar 2004 1:52pm
they are both dead actually - rejoice.
cucking - do you ask people if they are religious before you decide to be friends with them or trust them?
With all possible respect, that's a dumbass question.
Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 1.58pm |
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Quote Moose at 09 Mar 2004 1:54pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 1:46pm
I'm saying that I mistrust anyone who allows their life to be ruled by the teachings in what I consider to be faulted or flawed books.
Does that answer your questions?
Not really, because all the way through this thread you've implied that you believe that if someone is a Muslim, then they are going to be a religious devotee. That is no more true than it is of Christians or any other religion. I'm a Christian and a regular Church goer. When have I ever thrown my beliefs down the throat of anyone on these boards? Do you now mistrust me?
What else is a moslem other than a religious devotee? And moslems take their faith very seriously, as you know. It's very different to the way christians describe themselves, again, as you well know. I sense that you know my answer to these questions before you ask them....
Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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| Bexter By the Sea 09 Mar 04 2.07pm |
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dumbass?! act your age cucking
if you are going to make such sweeping statements then be prepared to be asked things like that. if you don't trust people who follow the bible or the koran, then you wouldn't want them to be your friends yes?
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 the despotic banana  Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 09 Mar 04 2.20pm |
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The problem is not religion itself, but how people interpret and use religion to meet their own ends. And as people are basically greedy, virulent and stupid and will always look to use religion to justify their nefarious actions, we're f*cked. We can't eradicate religion, history has taught us that, and even then it's doubtful that it would do any good as people would still remain, and we're the problem. We're ignorant, hateful b******s all of us.
Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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| rach_cpfc South Croydon 09 Mar 04 2.21pm |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 1:58pm
What else is a moslem other than a religious devotee? And moslems take their faith very seriously, as you know. It's very different to the way christians describe themselves, again, as you well know.
So Christians don't take their faith seriously now?
I can tell you straight away that that isn't true.
"....They will soar on wings like EAGLES; they will run and not grow
weary, they will walk and not be faint."
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| Moose In the sewer pipe... 09 Mar 04 2.21pm |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 1:58pm
Quote Moose at 09 Mar 2004 1:54pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 1:46pm
I'm saying that I mistrust anyone who allows their life to be ruled by the teachings in what I consider to be faulted or flawed books.
Does that answer your questions?
Not really, because all the way through this thread you've implied that you believe that if someone is a Muslim, then they are going to be a religious devotee. That is no more true than it is of Christians or any other religion. I'm a Christian and a regular Church goer. When have I ever thrown my beliefs down the throat of anyone on these boards? Do you now mistrust me?
What else is a moslem other than a religious devotee? And moslems take their faith very seriously, as you know. It's very different to the way christians describe themselves, again, as you well know. I sense that you know my answer to these questions before you ask them....
A Muslim (and no, I don't know why there are two spellings or if they deserve a capital letter - perhaps someone could enlighten me!) is someone who observes the teachings of Mohammed and the Koran. Whether they attend the mosque, or follow the teachings, festivals and rites strictly, or try to impose those teachings on others, or deliberately misinterpret passages in order to create hatred is up to the individual. That is the same as every religion - not all Christians attend church, not all Sikhs refrain from cutting their hair and wear turbans, not all Jews celebrate Yom Kippur. And in the same way not all Muslims are indoctrinated by religion.
I still believe that your views of this particular religion and those who belong to it are unfounded.
Goodness is what you do. Not who you pray to.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 2.25pm |
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Quote Bexter at 09 Mar 2004 2:07pm
dumbass?! act your age cucking
if you are going to make such sweeping statements then be prepared to be asked things like that. if you don't trust people who follow the bible or the koran, then you wouldn't want them to be your friends yes?
How can my saying that I mistrust people who swallow whole the fabricated and turgid nonsense that the bible and the koran are be interpreted as sweeping?
Ok, in answer to your question.... first of all I have lots of acquaintances but very few 'friends'.... the word 'friend' is, in my view, one of the most misused words in the English language. I interpret a friend as someone with whom I'm comfortable, someone whom I can trust and someone whom I can tell anything, be that what I feel, fear or whatever. In answer to your question, I couldn't be friends with someone who lives his/her life as described above. Acquaintance, perhaps, but certainly not friends. How could I be, if we were such poles apart?
Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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| IMpalace London 09 Mar 04 2.25pm |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 1:58pm
Quote Moose at 09 Mar 2004 1:54pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 1:46pm
I'm saying that I mistrust anyone who allows their life to be ruled by the teachings in what I consider to be faulted or flawed books.
Does that answer your questions?
Not really, because all the way through this thread you've implied that you believe that if someone is a Muslim, then they are going to be a religious devotee. That is no more true than it is of Christians or any other religion. I'm a Christian and a regular Church goer. When have I ever thrown my beliefs down the throat of anyone on these boards? Do you now mistrust me?
What else is a moslem other than a religious devotee? And moslems take their faith very seriously, as you know. It's very different to the way christians describe themselves, again, as you well know. I sense that you know my answer to these questions before you ask them....
I'm Arabic from my dads side, English from my mums side. Im a Muslim. But im not a 'religious devotee'. I would call myself Bahraini or English before i called myself Muslim. The fact that you have sterotyped every Muslim into being as religious as they come is complete bollox.
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| alexh_17 The Site of The Worlds Biggest Pil... 09 Mar 04 2.26pm |
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Not wanting to get too involved, I think there are a lot of very sweeping statements going on here. To judge people on one factor is not ever going to work. One of the main criticisms of Marxism is that Marx put forward the criteria of economics as the only divide. What of race? Religion? Gender? etc etc... No single theory can define a person. To pigeon hole every Muslim as so extensively devout as to throw off their national identity is as ludicrous as saying that EVERY person who is on unemployment benefit is cheating the system (literally - not political viewpoints as I understand some would see it in this way regardless).
I'm not saying that all Muslims would choose country over religion, I'm not even saying that a majority would choose Britain over Islam. BUT so long as there is a single Muslim in this country who would choose Britain, you are wrong Cucking...
(and just to add, I totally agree with kicking out the extremists who are taking this country for a ride)
Head Honcho of the CPFC Pillow Fighting Force
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| rach_cpfc South Croydon 09 Mar 04 2.31pm |
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Quote alexh_17 at 09 Mar 2004 2:26pm
Not wanting to get too involved, I think there are a lot of very sweeping statements going on here. To judge people on one factor is not ever going to work. One of the main criticisms of Marxism is that Marx put forward the criteria of economics as the only divide. What of race? Religion? Gender? etc etc... No single theory can define a person. To pigeon hole every Muslim as so extensively devout as to throw off their national identity is as ludicrous as saying that EVERY person who is on unemployment benefit is cheating the system (literally - not political viewpoints as I understand some would see it in this way regardless).
I'm not saying that all Muslims would choose country over religion, I'm not even saying that a majority would choose Britain over Islam. BUT so long as there is a single Muslim in this country who would choose Britain, you are wrong Cucking...
(and just to add, I totally agree with kicking out the extremists who are taking this country for a ride)
Some very good and well made points, and I agree with a lot of what you say.
But, I wouldn't choose my country over my faith either, if it came to it (though I'm not quite sure what you mean here.....) - does that make me and extremist?
"....They will soar on wings like EAGLES; they will run and not grow
weary, they will walk and not be faint."
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 2.39pm |
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Quote Moose at 09 Mar 2004 2:21pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 1:58pm
Quote Moose at 09 Mar 2004 1:54pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 1:46pm
I'm saying that I mistrust anyone who allows their life to be ruled by the teachings in what I consider to be faulted or flawed books.
Does that answer your questions?
Not really, because all the way through this thread you've implied that you believe that if someone is a Muslim, then they are going to be a religious devotee. That is no more true than it is of Christians or any other religion. I'm a Christian and a regular Church goer. When have I ever thrown my beliefs down the throat of anyone on these boards? Do you now mistrust me?
What else is a moslem other than a religious devotee? And moslems take their faith very seriously, as you know. It's very different to the way christians describe themselves, again, as you well know. I sense that you know my answer to these questions before you ask them....
A Muslim (and no, I don't know why there are two spellings or if they deserve a capital letter - perhaps someone could enlighten me!) is someone who observes the teachings of Mohammed and the Koran. Whether they attend the mosque, or follow the teachings, festivals and rites strictly, or try to impose those teachings on others, or deliberately misinterpret passages in order to create hatred is up to the individual. That is the same as every religion - not all Christians attend church, not all Sikhs refrain from cutting their hair and wear turbans, not all Jews celebrate Yom Kippur. And in the same way not all Muslims are indoctrinated by religion.
I still believe that your views of this particular religion and those who belong to it are unfounded.
Firstly, re: the spelling. Moslem (muslim or whatever) is a word that is Arabic in origin and Arabic is a phonetic alphabet and permits a wide variety of interpretations in Western script. Hence the wide variety of spellings. Look at Gadaffi, Qu'adaffi etc.
I beg to differ on your distinctions. Being Jewish is an ethnic issue as well as a religious one. Therefore it is possible to be a Jew yet not a practising one. I can't be 100% certain, but I suspect that Sikhs are people from a particular region, so the ethnic and religious aspects are quite seperate. Being a Christian is largely a matter of choice - it is a statement of belief. People will put C of E down as their religion because it is part of the establishment of this country but seldom is any kind of thought given to actually following it - church attendance figures will bear this out. Islam is also a statement of belief but, as I said, is taken very, very seriously by those who profess it. The proliferation of mosques up and down the country proves the point. I therefore feel fully justified in identifying moslems as being religion-driven as the strictness with which they practise their faith suggests. And, as I said before, I mistrust people who practise any kind of faith which offers no flexibility or freedom to question.
Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 2.41pm |
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Quote alexh_17 at 09 Mar 2004 2:26pm
I'm not saying that all Muslims would choose country over religion, I'm not even saying that a majority would choose Britain over Islam. BUT so long as there is a single Muslim in this country who would choose Britain, you are wrong Cucking...
(and just to add, I totally agree with kicking out the extremists who are taking this country for a ride)
If any of these so-called 'community leaders' stands up and says that, I'll glady retract that element of my argument.
Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Mar 04 2.42pm |
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As I said earlier, if you have a captive audience, you are selling them what they want and you are aloud to get away with it, anything can happen.
This is not something dictated by religious, cultural or ethic lines, it is human nature.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 2.43pm |
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Quote rach_d_cpfc at 09 Mar 2004 2:31pm
Some very good and well made points, and I agree with a lot of what you say.
But, I wouldn't choose my country over my faith either, if it came to it (though I'm not quite sure what you mean here.....) - does that make me and extremist?
There is a big difference between choosing faith over country and actually being asked to oppose your country. The only realistic option in those cases is silence. Thomas More is a good example.
Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 2.46pm |
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Quote rach_d_cpfc at 09 Mar 2004 2:21pm
So Christians don't take their faith seriously now?
I can tell you straight away that that isn't true.
How many Christians these days are prepared to kill or be killed for their faith?
Edited by Cucking Funt (09 Mar 2004 2:51pm)
Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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| alexh_17 The Site of The Worlds Biggest Pil... 09 Mar 04 2.55pm |
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Rach...
Sorry I wasn't really clear there, just opposing the sweeping statements rather than getting into the debate. Cucking clarified above the difference between opposing your nationality and choosing religion over it.
Head Honcho of the CPFC Pillow Fighting Force
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| IMpalace London 09 Mar 04 3.02pm |
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What else is a moslem other than a religious devotee? And moslems take their faith very seriously, as you know. It's very different to the way christians describe themselves, again, as you well know. I sense that you know my answer to these questions before you ask them....
Again I'm a Muslim and I'm not a 'religious devotee'. You can't stereotype every Muslim in the world and say they are all Religious Devotees because its bollox!
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| rach_cpfc South Croydon 09 Mar 04 4.40pm |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 2:46pm
Quote rach_d_cpfc at 09 Mar 2004 2:21pm
So Christians don't take their faith seriously now?
I can tell you straight away that that isn't true.
How many Christians these days are prepared to kill or be killed for their faith?
Edited by Cucking Funt (09 Mar 2004 2:51pm)
To be killed? - many, thousands every year in fact. The persecution of chirstians isn't just something that used to happen.
But to kill for my faith? Of course not, because that would be against everything that my faith says.
"....They will soar on wings like EAGLES; they will run and not grow
weary, they will walk and not be faint."
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| Meerkat 2 1957 09 Mar 04 5.22pm |
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Most organised religions have developed as a way of controlling the masses and establishing a power base. It's no coincidence that most of the worst atrocities committed by our species have been perpetrated in the name of religion.
Religious beliefs are readily accepted by many to overcome their own fear of dying. A kind of 'comfort blanket'. No coincidence that people become more religious as they get closer to death. Might as well hedge your bets I guess.
To achieve a better world we need less religion and more morals. In my view the two rarely go hand in hand despite a faith's published agenda.
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| Mr Statto Ifield 09 Mar 04 5.45pm |
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Quote Northern Eagle at 09 Mar 2004 1:10pm
Hang on. I thought the beef was between Israel and Palestine. What has the west, apart from dumping the jews in Israel done to screw this lot up.
Sorry to answer this so late in the day, I've been out with my little girl for her birthday.
The main reason the Palestinians (and most of the rest of the muslim extremists) are so against the West is that for the last 50 years America in particular has bankrolled the Israelis for pretty much everything they have done to disenfranchise the people who have lived in the area for the last 2000 or so years.
How would you like it if your family had been farming the same land for centuries, only for another country to suddenly say "Hang on a minute, these people who lived here 2000 years ago could do with somewhere to live. We're going to let them live where you do now, we're going to let them shove you all in refugee camps with no water, electricity, sewers or other mod cons, we'll let them take your jobs away, kill you if you happen to throw a stone at one of their tanks..." etc
I don't for one moment condone the taking of innocent lives, but surely someone needs to take a step back and ask themselves why it is that these people are so desperate that they are willing to blow themselves up to make a point.
 That's just the ramblings of a madman
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