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 topcat  Holmesdale / Surbiton 01 Nov 16 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Matt mentioned the 'Battle of Saltley gate" in the 70s when thousands of pickets overwhelmed the Police. I recall a poster headed by the 'Socialist Worker' which read words to the effect "Turn Orgreave into another Saltley" carried by someone in a throng of left-wing protestors.Intentions were clear. Are you saying that it was ok for the police to kick the shi'te out of pickets in Yorkshire in revenge for the an incident that happened 12 years before and in Birmingham?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 16 3.27pm |
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Originally posted by topcat
Are you saying that it was ok for the police to kick the shi'te out of pickets in Yorkshire in revenge for the an incident that happened 12 years before and in Birmingham? Who has talked about "Revenge" ? One could say that the Police were determined there would be no repeat of Saltley Gate when they were totally overwhelmed but there is no evidence of any "Revenge" factor. Let's not forget that at Orgreave there were injuries to BOTH sides. At the end of the day in my humble estimation any enquiry would reveal little or nothing that is not currently known, and it would become a rather expensive exercise in political point-scoring. And I would say the same even if a Labour Government had made a similar decision.
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| Stuk Top half 01 Nov 16 4.12pm |
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Glad there's no inquiry. It would've been a waste of money and would achieve nothing. I'm fed up with them inquiring about things that happened decades ago. Get on with your lives ffs.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 Nov 16 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Who has talked about "Revenge" ? One could say that the Police were determined there would be no repeat of Saltley Gate when they were totally overwhelmed but there is no evidence of any "Revenge" factor. Let's not forget that at Orgreave there were injuries to BOTH sides. At the end of the day in my humble estimation any enquiry would reveal little or nothing that is not currently known, and it would become a rather expensive exercise in political point-scoring. And I would say the same even if a Labour Government had made a similar decision. I agree with you, Willo. These people went there for a tear-up with OB and they lost. F*cking cry babies.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 01 Nov 16 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I agree with you, Willo. These people went there for a tear-up with OB and they lost. F*cking cry babies. The trouble is that the police indiscriminately kicked the shi'te out of everyone (as they were ordered to) as opposed to looking for the trouble makers. They were then ordered to cover up their crimes. Those who gave those orders should be made accountable.
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| gambler Kent 01 Nov 16 4.51pm |
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"Get on with your lives" and "cry babies"! I expect you said the same before the truth came out about Hillsborough.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 Nov 16 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
"Get on with your lives" and "cry babies"! I expect you said the same before the truth came out about Hillsborough. I think we've already established that the two events bear no relation to each other.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Nov 16 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Who has talked about "Revenge" ? One could say that the Police were determined there would be no repeat of Saltley Gate when they were totally overwhelmed but there is no evidence of any "Revenge" factor. Let's not forget that at Orgreave there were injuries to BOTH sides. At the end of the day in my humble estimation any enquiry would reveal little or nothing that is not currently known, and it would become a rather expensive exercise in political point-scoring. And I would say the same even if a Labour Government had made a similar decision. I think we generally know that the police force of the 80s was largely out of control, unaccountable and protected by the state from being held accountable for the actions of its officers. The difference of course is that the strikers are accountable to the criminal justice system for their use of force, where as the police were largely given carte blanche. There were a number of incidents throughout the 80s where excessive police force was notably unjust and pursued in support of politics, rather than the peoples interests (Beanfield, Poll Tax, Criminal Justice Act)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Nov 16 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I think we've already established that the two events bear no relation to each other.
Other than police forces not being held accountable for the use of excessive force. That said, the crimes of Orgreave and the miners strike were 'like in conflict with like' Beanfield... Another matter
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 Nov 16 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Other than police forces not being held accountable for the use of excessive force. That said, the crimes of Orgreave and the miners strike were 'like in conflict with like' Beanfield... Another matter And that should be the end of the matter. It's a bit difficult to even establish, let alone prove, the use of 'excessive force' in the heat of battle. Even more so after so many years.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Nov 16 5.02pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
And that should be the end of the matter. It's a bit difficult to even establish, let alone prove, the use of 'excessive force' in the heat of battle. Even more so after so many years. True, maybe they should just quash any criminal records related to scraps with the police.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 01 Nov 16 5.03pm |
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It was Andy Burnham who got us to the truth about Hillsborough after 30 years of establishment cover-ups. It is not a leftie or right wing thing at all - govt. advisers wanted this enquiry too. So why did Ms.Rudd drop this in such a pathetic manner - can't even lie properly. That makes me want to know all about Orgreave not what I thought I knew.
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