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southnorwoodhill Flag 17 Feb 21 9.04am

If there's anything to this rumour, why now? Parish could have amicably not renewed Hodgson's contract at the end of last season (the writing was on the wall given the way the last 8 games weren't competed for, a sign of what was to come) and we could have gone into this season afresh.
The only thing I can conclude is that if Howe does come in and those players who are currently going through the motions suddenly start to put a shift in, then Hodgson's motivational skills must surely be questioned.
Realistically 10/12 points should make certain. A few wins and draws one would hope are achievable with the fresh impetus of an enthusiastic new manager.

 

PatrickA Flag London 17 Feb 21 9.25am

If, and it's a big if, the rumour is true perhaps there's already an understanding that Howe is to take over at the end of the season.
However, Parish may be alarmed by the prospect of a defeat on Monday and another losing run which Hodgson presided over at the end of last season.
In which case he could have contingency plans to appoint Howe earlier after the Brighton game rather than at the end of the season.
All speculation but it wouldn't seem unreasonable for Parish to have plans if we continue to look so clueless and rudderless on the field.
Another poster previously highlighted Hodgson's situation at Blackburn where the then chairman Jack Walker had to put Hodgson out of his misery and fire him despite Hodgson believing he had the players behind him and that his methods were working.
An interesting parallel.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 17 Feb 21 9.32am

Originally posted by PatrickA

If, and it's a big if, the rumour is true perhaps there's already an understanding that Howe is to take over at the end of the season.
However, Parish may be alarmed by the prospect of a defeat on Monday and another losing run which Hodgson presided over at the end of last season.
In which case he could have contingency plans to appoint Howe earlier after the Brighton game rather than at the end of the season.
All speculation but it wouldn't seem unreasonable for Parish to have plans if we continue to look so clueless and rudderless on the field.
Another poster previously highlighted Hodgson's situation at Blackburn where the then chairman Jack Walker had to put Hodgson out of his misery and fire him despite Hodgson believing he had the players behind him and that his methods were working.
An interesting parallel.

That may have been me.

"Blackburn's owner gave him the chance to resign honourably, but he refused to do so, leaving the club with no option but to dismiss him: "To Blackburn's honour, Jack Walker wanted me to resign, he wanted to still pay for the rest of my contract. He said, 'Why don't you resign? You've had enough, it's not working out.' I refused to do that, arrogant of course as I was in those days. I thought if they stuck with me I'd save them from relegation. I do think that the players were very much still with me, so I couldn't resign because that would be a suggestion that in some way I was doing something or something was happening which I didn't see to be the case or the truth. I gave him no choice but to sack me"

Most telling is this part - "I couldn't resign because that would be a suggestion that in some way I was doing something or something was happening which I didn't see to be the case or the truth"


Edited by southnorwoodhill (17 Feb 2021 9.40am)

 

Jacey Flag 17 Feb 21 9.37am

Originally posted by beak

Let's hope he manages the ladies team.

Who,Roy Hodgson??

 

Jacey Flag 17 Feb 21 9.42am

Originally posted by Gribbo

Eddie Howe's odds to become the next Palace manager have shortened drastically today following a formal approach by the club. Roy is on his final chance next Monday evening. Another spineless performance like the last and apparently he will be gone as early as Tuesday morning.

Jason Tindall will join as his assistant having recently left his post at Bournemouth.

You heard it here first!!!

Without our one man team,Wilf,afraid to say we are in for an inevitable spineless,gutless performance,maybe leading to Hodgson's removal.
Defeat is on the cards in these circumstances,may as well get on with things and appoint Howe now to give him maximum time to keep us up and enjoy the new manager bounce.

Edited by Jacey (17 Feb 2021 9.55am)

 

Uphill Flag Bedford 17 Feb 21 10.00am

I am not the greatest admirer of Eddie Howe but, in all honesty, he can do no worse than Roy Hodgson.

The manager is looking tired, dispirited and seemingly clueless as to what to do.
He persists with the same set-up and the same discredited players, unwilling to experiment with a new formation.

It does look like he has 'lost the dressing room' as the players seem aimless and unmotivated.

It would make sense to bring someone in now, perhaps as Hodgson's assistant (if he would accept one) to give the new man time to make plans for next season.

It would be a shame to sack Hodgson now, his contract expires in June, but we must plan for the future NOW.

Unfortunately any further spineless defeats and Mr Parish will have no alternative. His misplaced blind loyalty to the 'old man' is holding us back.

We are not yet safe and with Fulham showing signs of a revival we cannot be complacent.

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Feb 21 10.11am

Originally posted by Uphill

I am not the greatest admirer of Eddie Howe but, in all honesty, he can do no worse than Roy Hodgson.

The manager is looking tired, dispirited and seemingly clueless as to what to do.
He persists with the same set-up and the same discredited players, unwilling to experiment with a new formation.

It does look like he has 'lost the dressing room' as the players seem aimless and unmotivated.

It would make sense to bring someone in now, perhaps as Hodgson's assistant (if he would accept one) to give the new man time to make plans for next season.

It would be a shame to sack Hodgson now, his contract expires in June, but we must plan for the future NOW.

Unfortunately any further spineless defeats and Mr Parish will have no alternative. His misplaced blind loyalty to the 'old man' is holding us back.

We are not yet safe and with Fulham showing signs of a revival we cannot be complacent.

I'm not saying you're correct as a matter of fact of course but I certainly agree with most of what you've said.

I do not think Howe would be a disastrous appointment although others seem to, and I don't quite understand when people suggest bringing in someone as an assistant or 'moving Roy upstairs' - they're managers and should either be in post or not as far as I am concerned.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

taylors lovechild Flag 17 Feb 21 10.12am

I have never especially liked Howe, but if he got us playing like Bournemouth then that would surely be more entertaining?

With regard to whether Parish would move now rather than the summer I could see two reasons why he might do so:

1) to avoid the risk of him to Celtic, Newcastle, or someone else

2) to give Howe time to assess the squad before the summer and to start instigating his own plans and methodology, knowing 6 more points would probably be enough (and as such less pressure than starting cold in August)

One possible third reason is that Parish decides Hodgson doesn't have the physical or mental energy to finish the season. He has looked tired the last couple of games and that must be a real concern with a third of the season left to play.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Feb 21 10.13am

Originally posted by Jacey

Who,Roy Hodgson??

Certainly wouldn’t trust Pardew with them!

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 17 Feb 21 10.16am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

That may have been me.

"Blackburn's owner gave him the chance to resign honourably, but he refused to do so, leaving the club with no option but to dismiss him: "To Blackburn's honour, Jack Walker wanted me to resign, he wanted to still pay for the rest of my contract. He said, 'Why don't you resign? You've had enough, it's not working out.' I refused to do that, arrogant of course as I was in those days. I thought if they stuck with me I'd save them from relegation. I do think that the players were very much still with me, so I couldn't resign because that would be a suggestion that in some way I was doing something or something was happening which I didn't see to be the case or the truth. I gave him no choice but to sack me"

Most telling is this part - "I couldn't resign because that would be a suggestion that in some way I was doing something or something was happening which I didn't see to be the case or the truth"

Edited by southnorwoodhill (17 Feb 2021 9.40am)

I imagine Frank Lampard thought the same recently at Chelsea.

I imagine Arsene Wenger thought the same at Arsenal.

Resignations are rare in football compared to sackings.

If the belief that got you the job in the first place is still there, you're not going to resign.

 


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Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 17 Feb 21 10.23am

I wouldn't write off Howe just because he got Bournemouth relegated. From what I've read and understand about the fella, he's taken time away from the game to reset and analyse his shortcomings. He wasn't desperate to get straight back into the game which to me shows a willingness to reflect, learn and improve (which doesn't happen with a lot of managers) instead of thinking that 'his way' is the only way. All good things come to an end and that sure happened at Bournemouth as it does for every manager at any club.

Of course there is risk but drilling down into failures and learnings should have been covered off in the recruitment process, and for that you have to put your faith in those that are responsible for interviewing and hiring.

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Feb 21 10.25am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I have never especially liked Howe, but if he got us playing like Bournemouth then that would surely be more entertaining?

With regard to whether Parish would move now rather than the summer I could see two reasons why he might do so:

1) to avoid the risk of him to Celtic, Newcastle, or someone else

2) to give Howe time to assess the squad before the summer and to start instigating his own plans and methodology, knowing 6 more points would probably be enough (and as such less pressure than starting cold in August)

One possible third reason is that Parish decides Hodgson doesn't have the physical or mental energy to finish the season. He has looked tired the last couple of games and that must be a real concern with a third of the season left to play.

Very much mirrors my thinking.

I'd also add, were any appointment to be a disaster, FdB style, it may be considered worthwhile letting them have the end of a season to see what they can do so as not to risk starting a new season, presumably with some new players and us end up in a hole having not scored any goals or picked up any points from the first x games of a new season.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

CrazyBadger Flag Ware 17 Feb 21 10.25am

A manager very rarely succeeds over a prelonged period of time.
3-4 years appears to be the time when a dip in form seems to happen for any manager. I'd hypothesise that this is because methods get stale, and ideas - which may have been prevalent early on - are more likely to be roundly dismissed. This is the same as any job. Stuck in a rut, which is difficult to get out of.
It's how they cope with this scenario that turns a good manager into a great manager. Often a new man is needed to inject new ideas and momentum.

Our own man has hit this hurdle, and I dont think he's coping too well. He's done great for us, but it's that time that to keep progressing we need A new perspective.
I think the same can be said of Howe at Bournemouth, just ran out of ideas, and was there too long.
Howe is a good manager, one that we should look at. It concerns me a little that he didnt last too long at Burnley, but sometimes a club simply isn't the right fit. It also concerns me that the one of the areas we ned him to sort (defence) he hasn;t looked too good at in his time at Bournemouth.

If we do go for him, then I hope that he is given time. Yes he's a risk, but the issues we have are more than just the manager.

 


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AERO Flag 17 Feb 21 10.29am

Good post

 

ambrose7 Flag Croydon 17 Feb 21 10.36am

In fairness to Howe, getting Bournemouth in the Premier League was a miracle and alongside Huddersfield were probably the strongest favourites for an instant relegation that the league has ever known - they have League 1 levels of infrastructure. For them to do 5 years was pretty special.

Looking at their squad list, only Ake, Wilson and maybe Fraser/King stand out. He tried to go for a policy of youth, and got stung when Ibe & Solanke didn't show up (Liverpool's expensive cast offs not doing well sounds familiar).

Yeah they got relegated last year, but they were probably one of the 3 favourites to be every one of those seasons they were up. He would, theoretically if we decide to use them, have greater resources here.

 


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WJK1960 Flag 17 Feb 21 10.38am

From what I have seen this morning there is no evidence within the media that this is likely to happen. Eddie Howe has never been terribly complimentary about Palace in the past, his standard comment being "you always know how they're going to play". He would want the cheque book splashed without any question, as he couldn't risk making a mess of this role having led Bournemouth to relegation.
I'm afraid all this thread does is create slightly more hysteria around Roy's position which in my view is regrettable. I think it is pretty certain now that he will not stay for another season but as a Club we just need to hang together till that point. Talk of him being sacked after the Brighton game puts him and the players under even more pressure.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Feb 21 11.04am

Originally posted by WJK1960

From what I have seen this morning there is no evidence within the media that this is likely to happen. Eddie Howe has never been terribly complimentary about Palace in the past, his standard comment being "you always know how they're going to play". He would want the cheque book splashed without any question, as he couldn't risk making a mess of this role having led Bournemouth to relegation.
I'm afraid all this thread does is create slightly more hysteria around Roy's position which in my view is regrettable. I think it is pretty certain now that he will not stay for another season but as a Club we just need to hang together till that point. Talk of him being sacked after the Brighton game puts him and the players under even more pressure.

If Celtic are after Howe than Brendan Rodgers has laid out the roadmap. Go north and win loads of games in a 2 horse race and so rebuild your reputation then bide your time until a decent PL club comes calling.

 


One more point

Jacey Flag 17 Feb 21 11.06am

Originally posted by WJK1960

From what I have seen this morning there is no evidence within the media that this is likely to happen. Eddie Howe has never been terribly complimentary about Palace in the past, his standard comment being "you always know how they're going to play". He would want the cheque book splashed without any question, as he couldn't risk making a mess of this role having led Bournemouth to relegation.
I'm afraid all this thread does is create slightly more hysteria around Roy's position which in my view is regrettable. I think it is pretty certain now that he will not stay for another season but as a Club we just need to hang together till that point. Talk of him being sacked after the Brighton game puts him and the players under even more pressure.

A no show at Brighton and Roy will have to go.

 

AERO Flag 17 Feb 21 11.07am

Exactly what Gerrard has done ,premiership next for him

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 17 Feb 21 11.33am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I have never especially liked Howe, but if he got us playing like Bournemouth then that would surely be more entertaining?

With regard to whether Parish would move now rather than the summer I could see two reasons why he might do so:

1) to avoid the risk of him to Celtic, Newcastle, or someone else

2) to give Howe time to assess the squad before the summer and to start instigating his own plans and methodology, knowing 6 more points would probably be enough (and as such less pressure than starting cold in August)

One possible third reason is that Parish decides Hodgson doesn't have the physical or mental energy to finish the season. He has looked tired the last couple of games and that must be a real concern with a third of the season left to play.


Quite possibly, although I do wonder to what extent Lewington's absence has been a factor in:
a) Hodgson's apparent weariness and
b) the abject and apathetic performances in recent games.

 

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