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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 17 Feb 21 4.07pm Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

And also hopefully have our better players back.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 17 Feb 21 4.18pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by nectoneagle

Just an observation but following the W.Brom fixture we have a 2 week gap in fixtures.
By that time we could either have won verses Fulham and W.Brom and are relatively safe or have lost both to be deeply in the mire.
This would be a good time to switch to new man.
I have discounted Brihton as barring miracles another abject performance is on the cards.
Any thoughts?

Good point, We will certainly know more about where we are by that point, and clubs have certainly used such long breaks to make changes before.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 18 Feb 21 11.15am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Steve Coppell was a guest on a podcast a few days ago and is of the opinion that to have any chance of succeeding in football management as a minimum there are two prerequisites,
- Successful recruitment policy
- A method of playing that suits the available players (as opposed to shoehorning the players into a preferred but unsuitable system).
That set me thinking of Dyche and Howe as possible candidates.
Dyche is good at what he does.
An uncomplicated 442 with two hard working central midfielders and two physical strikers. Lots of passes into the channels and crosses with a view to testing the resolve of the opposition.
I don't think this would suit our existing players, in particular Eze and Zaha.
Howe has used more varied tactics with more possession in midfield and utilisation of ball players which may suit the likes of Eze and Zaha.
Arguably Howe would be a better fit for our current squad, but a lot will depend on recruitment plans for the summer.
I'm sure there will be other managerial candidates as well but the central point about recruitment and most appropriate playing system for the squad remains applicable.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 18 Feb 21 11.25am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Steve Coppell was a guest on a podcast a few days ago and is of the opinion that to have any chance of succeeding in football management as a minimum there are two prerequisites,
- Successful recruitment policy
- A method of playing that suits the available players (as opposed to shoehorning the players into a preferred but unsuitable system).
That set me thinking of Dyche and Howe as possible candidates.
Dyche is good at what he does.
An uncomplicated 442 with two hard working central midfielders and two physical strikers. Lots of passes into the channels and crosses with a view to testing the resolve of the opposition.
I don't think this would suit our existing players, in particular Eze and Zaha.
Howe has used more varied tactics with more possession in midfield and utilisation of ball players which may suit the likes of Eze and Zaha.
Arguably Howe would be a better fit for our current squad, but a lot will depend on recruitment plans for the summer.
I'm sure there will be other managerial candidates as well but the central point about recruitment and most appropriate playing system for the squad remains applicable.

Perhaps this explains Hodgson's acquisitions, players who are over the hill or didn't add anything significant to the technical ability of the squad, namely Cahill, McCarthy, and Kouyate. All three unnecessary yet reflect Hodgson's defensive approach to game management. Let's not even go there with Sorloth.
If it were Howe, is there a transfer kitty available for modest signings to fit his overall philosophy?
Decent young players come at a price, look at Eze for example.


Edited by southnorwoodhill (18 Feb 2021 11.49am)

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 18 Feb 21 12.22pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Unsubstantiated bollocks.

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 18 Feb 21 12.24pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

They always used to say that a manager stood or fell by his recruitment, and that tactics were secondary. I'm not sure you can say that any more, as there really isn't such a thing as a manager now, just a first team coach who has little or nothing to do with recruitment.

I'd be very surprised if Hodgson identified transfer targets at all. Every transfer window he tells the press that he hopes the club will improve the squad, but never mentions having identified targets. He probably highlights weak positions, if that.

Even klopp has been quite clear that whether Liverpool signed the new centre half he so desperately needed wasn't up to him. Dyche looks like he has a say in the running of Burnley, but not enough to get the club to extend the contracts of several players he clearly wanted to keep last summer, so even he doesn't have any real clout.

Funny enough, the only guy I can think of who seemed to have something close to final say on signings recently was Howe at Bournemouth, but on reflection that's just a presumption. Either way, he had very mixed results, and we have a director of football at Palace, so I'd reckon the next managers recruitment record wouldn't matter as much as his ability to use a system that gets enough points to keep us up (preferably comfortably), and get the best out of whatever squad he'll inherit, and to develop individuals, especially young ones. If it's possible to do all three at the same time, which it might not be.

Dyche ticks the first box with his eyes closed, but the only players he developed into valuable assets were central defenders and goalkeepers.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 18 Feb 21 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Perhaps this explains Hodgson's acquisitions, players who are over the hill or didn't add anything significant to the technical ability of the squad, namely Cahill, McCarthy, and Kouyate. All three unnecessary yet reflect Hodgson's defensive approach to game management. Let's not even go there with Sorloth.
If it were Howe, is there a transfer kitty available for modest signings to fit his overall philosophy?
Decent young players come at a price, look at Eze for example.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (18 Feb 2021 11.49am)

This is the problem, they might seem to reflect Hodgsons approach,
But is that because we couldn’t finance any other approach without going the same way as most clubs that have tried, even having spent a good amount more than Palace, have?
Bargain basement is whats been signed. Reasonably reliable old bangers, have seen better days types. Still know how to shut a door types , though even that has now worn dangerously thin.
Howe had a wealthy Russian bankrolling , what did Howe get him ? Relegation.. Why would Steve , try to outdo the wealthy Russian.?
My feeling is even if the club can come up with some money , they need to look beyond Howe,.

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 18 Feb 21 12.47pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Unsubstantiated bollocks.

Interesting opinion. But to which bollocks are you referring?

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 18 Feb 21 12.52pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

They always used to say that a manager stood or fell by his recruitment, and that tactics were secondary. I'm not sure you can say that any more, as there really isn't such a thing as a manager now, just a first team coach who has little or nothing to do with recruitment.

I'd be very surprised if Hodgson identified transfer targets at all. Every transfer window he tells the press that he hopes the club will improve the squad, but never mentions having identified targets. He probably highlights weak positions, if that.

Even klopp has been quite clear that whether Liverpool signed the new centre half he so desperately needed wasn't up to him. Dyche looks like he has a say in the running of Burnley, but not enough to get the club to extend the contracts of several players he clearly wanted to keep last summer, so even he doesn't have any real clout.

Funny enough, the only guy I can think of who seemed to have something close to final say on signings recently was Howe at Bournemouth, but on reflection that's just a presumption. Either way, he had very mixed results, and we have a director of football at Palace, so I'd reckon the next managers recruitment record wouldn't matter as much as his ability to use a system that gets enough points to keep us up (preferably comfortably), and get the best out of whatever squad he'll inherit, and to develop individuals, especially young ones. If it's possible to do all three at the same time, which it might not be.

Dyche ticks the first box with his eyes closed, but the only players he developed into valuable assets were central defenders and goalkeepers.

It would seem to me everybody at the club knows it’s financial limitations, and what that means. It means we can only make sure we stay in the division, as relegation could be a disaster.
I don’t think Hodgson, gets much more than , will this guy suit the system you have devised , He probably says yes , but So and So would be better. Answer sorry can’t do. It will not fit the budget.
After all no manager , will turn down expensive top quality ,if it was to be had. The record shows it isn’t to be had in any amount that would alter our abilities as a team dramatically.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 18 Feb 21 1.20pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

This is the problem, they might seem to reflect Hodgsons approach,
But is that because we couldn’t finance any other approach without going the same way as most clubs that have tried, even having spent a good amount more than Palace, have?
Bargain basement is whats been signed. Reasonably reliable old bangers, have seen better days types. Still know how to shut a door types , though even that has now worn dangerously thin.
Howe had a wealthy Russian bankrolling , what did Howe get him ? Relegation.. Why would Steve , try to outdo the wealthy Russian.?
My feeling is even if the club can come up with some money , they need to look beyond Howe,.

Yes, exactly this. A hopefully short term plan to see us through. Somehow I suspect this is why Parish put such a high price on Zaha's head, to deter interested parties, knowing without Wilf we would be relegation fodder. Now let's imagine we need 4 players in key positions of the calibre and potential of Eze, what's that going to cost? Money we don't appear to have, and if we did, who would it be entrusted to? We have a history of questionable signings. A tricky one for whoever suceeds Hodgson.

 

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jeeagles Flag 18 Feb 21 1.27pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Perhaps this explains Hodgson's acquisitions, players who are over the hill or didn't add anything significant to the technical ability of the squad, namely Cahill, McCarthy, and Kouyate. All three unnecessary yet reflect Hodgson's defensive approach to game management. Let's not even go there with Sorloth.
If it were Howe, is there a transfer kitty available for modest signings to fit his overall philosophy?
Decent young players come at a price, look at Eze for example.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (18 Feb 2021 11.49am)

I've seen interviews with Coppell and Redknapp faily recently saying recruitment is 90% of what a manger has to do.

Coppell said he and Noades used to drive around the country every night of the week to try and find the right players to fit in the team.

Hodgson seems to be pretty passive on the whole situation. Regardless of what the situation is, Hodgson doesn't seem particularly interested in the transfer side of things.

I was another talk by Clive Woodward a few years ago. He said players where experts in their positions, you have to listen to them as well as instruct them and put them in positions where they know exactly what to do, instinctively, under any scenario. Hodgson simply tries to shoe horn players into 4-4-2. Take PVA on the left wing against Leeds. The guy isn't a left winger, no amount of watching games can make you sharp enough to start playing in a role you aren't used to, hence why he looked like a deer in headlights chasing the game.

That's exactly what you want to here from Cooper. Then again FdB said all the right things and did something completely different.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Feb 21 2.31pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I've seen interviews with Coppell and Redknapp faily recently saying recruitment is 90% of what a manger has to do.

Coppell said he and Noades used to drive around the country every night of the week to try and find the right players to fit in the team.

Hodgson seems to be pretty passive on the whole situation. Regardless of what the situation is, Hodgson doesn't seem particularly interested in the transfer side of things.

I was another talk by Clive Woodward a few years ago. He said players where experts in their positions, you have to listen to them as well as instruct them and put them in positions where they know exactly what to do, instinctively, under any scenario. Hodgson simply tries to shoe horn players into 4-4-2. Take PVA on the left wing against Leeds. The guy isn't a left winger, no amount of watching games can make you sharp enough to start playing in a role you aren't used to, hence why he looked like a deer in headlights chasing the game.

That's exactly what you want to here from Cooper. Then again FdB said all the right things and did something completely different.

So they did - and Ron knew a player when he saw one.

But that was then, this is now and our transfer market is vastly different. As is our recruitment model. The Manager doesn't have that level of involvement at Palace now.

 


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