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kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 02 May 21 10.06am

I couldn't believe this on the BBC, but it is also reported on local papers in Hull.
So we will be importing cod for our fish and chips and maybe paying more because the useless idiots in the government cant do a deal?
I always thought this fishing issue was just a flag waving side show by die hard brexiteers - but I wont be happy paying more for my Friday night cod and chips.

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 May 21 10.31am

Agreed it's not good however this is a new tri-party deal that Norway has implemented with the EU as well. The deal is in place just not the annual quotas.

It's not clear has Norway agreed the quotas with the EU?

The Norwegians are playing a canny game apparently the stuff they catch in our waters is seasonal and that is now over for this year so their fisherman are in no rush to agree quotas.

Still Boris should get on his bike.

Edited by Badger11 (02 May 2021 10.31am)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 May 21 10.55am

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed it's not good however this is a new tri-party deal that Norway has implemented with the EU as well. The deal is in place just not the annual quotas.

It's not clear has Norway agreed the quotas with the EU?

The Norwegians are playing a canny game apparently the stuff they catch in our waters is seasonal and that is now over for this year so their fisherman are in no rush to agree quotas.

Still Boris should get on his bike.

Edited by Badger11 (02 May 2021 10.31am)

What no 'Daily Mail' link to this one Badger?

 

Orange1290 Flag 02 May 21 11.24am

Originally posted by kevlee

I couldn't believe this on the BBC, but it is also reported on local papers in Hull.
So we will be importing cod for our fish and chips and maybe paying more because the useless idiots in the government cant do a deal?
I always thought this fishing issue was just a flag waving side show by die hard brexiteers - but I wont be happy paying more for my Friday night cod and chips.

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Yep, agree, already posted that bbc link here:

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Every piece of cod bought and consumed in the UK from Norway (which will be the overwhelming source) will mean most of the money going into EU coffers. Do you think Johnson/Farage care? Of course not.


Edited by Orange1290 (02 May 2021 11.27am)

 


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DANGERCLOSE Flag London 02 May 21 1.24pm

I prefer a Kebab or a curry on a fri or Saturday night

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 May 21 1.29pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

What no 'Daily Mail' link to this one Badger?

Pollocks

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 02 May 21 1.51pm

the EU are all a pack of b.@stards.

the King of the EU, Sending Swiss Trawlers to rob our North Sea Hake

Edited by PalazioVecchio (02 May 2021 4.27pm)

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 02 May 21 2.06pm

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

I prefer a Kebab or a curry on a fri or Saturday night

Favouring the Greeks or the Turks over our own boys grafting out of Grimsby? That’s treason!! I’m sure Mark Francois would have something to say about that!

 


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Matov Flag 02 May 21 4.31pm

The Norwegians are one of those nations that portray themselves as these cuddly Nordic types who embrace all the usual BS but really, when push comes to shove, are pretty ruthless b******s.

Always liked them.

But this is a definite loss. No two ways about it. A tick in the negative box for the UK.

Difficult to get a balanced view of what has gone wrong but from what I can make out, it's the fall out of the EU trying to keep its full quota of Norwegian fish, even though the UK has now left and has sort to agree a separate amount.

The Norwegians already take fish out of our waters at a rate of 8-1 in their favour so I guess that will stop now but that seasonal factor kicks in so I guess the impact will not be significant, at least in this trading year.

But as I have said before, this is clearly not a good situation for the UK and no point in trying to paint this as anything other than a loss.

I just hope we hit back hard. Norway exports far more to us than it imports so now would be the time to flex our financial muscle, if possible.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 May 21 5.48pm

Originally posted by Matov

The Norwegians are one of those nations that portray themselves as these cuddly Nordic types who embrace all the usual BS but really, when push comes to shove, are pretty ruthless b******s.

Always liked them.

But this is a definite loss. No two ways about it. A tick in the negative box for the UK.

Difficult to get a balanced view of what has gone wrong but from what I can make out, it's the fall out of the EU trying to keep its full quota of Norwegian fish, even though the UK has now left and has sort to agree a separate amount.

The Norwegians already take fish out of our waters at a rate of 8-1 in their favour so I guess that will stop now but that seasonal factor kicks in so I guess the impact will not be significant, at least in this trading year.

But as I have said before, this is clearly not a good situation for the UK and no point in trying to paint this as anything other than a loss.

I just hope we hit back hard. Norway exports far more to us than it imports so now would be the time to flex our financial muscle, if possible.

Financial muscle?

Yes I would hurl our 2 trillion debt at the Norwegians straight away.

And build an HS2 extension to Aberdeen to save the union especially now everybody will be working from home.

Brexit, indeed the UK, is just Cameron and Johnson's old etonian playground.

No prizes for guessing who the mugs are.

 

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 May 21 10.46pm

I checked with my neighbours in Barton Upon Humber who are a fishing family. They say the BBC story is one sided, in general terms they are very happy with the changes Brexit will bring and expect further improvements as negotiations go on.

The BB can't help themselves, there is a lot more to commercial fishing than cod and haddock

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Matov Flag 03 May 21 7.09am

Originally posted by HKOwen

I checked with my neighbours in Barton Upon Humber who are a fishing family. They say the BBC story is one sided, in general terms they are very happy with the changes Brexit will bring and expect further improvements as negotiations go on.

The BB can't help themselves, there is a lot more to commercial fishing than cod and haddock

Up in the north of Scotland they are delighted that we have no agreement with Norway. Apparently, the EU had been using British waters as a major give-away to guarantee their own fleets access to Norwegian waters. This is why these talks have stalled because the EU is desperate to hang onto access but now lacks British fish to trade by way of doing so.

Now lets not pretend that this is in anyway a 'win' for the UK because its not but it is more nuanced than the reporting suggests.

(added later)....LOL. That will teach me to check dates. Only out by 11 years- Cannot win them all!

Edited by Matov (03 May 2021 7.20am)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov Flag 04 May 21 8.33am

Something really odd going on with this. No real specific details out there which has made me wonder if there are wheels within wheels occurring.

The Norwegians take a lot more fish out of our waters than we take out of theirs. Or rather did. That is the point. This hits Norway worse than us. Yes, some specific negatives for a particular segment of our fishing industry but overall, far more damaging to the Norwegians.

If anybody can contradict me on this, with links, genuinely all ears because even from trawling (bad pun intended) some Norwegian sites with the help of Google Translate, I am still hitting a brick wall.

Something very fishy (again, horrendous pun intended) going on here.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 May 21 9.38am

Originally posted by Matov

Something really odd going on with this. No real specific details out there which has made me wonder if there are wheels within wheels occurring.

The Norwegians take a lot more fish out of our waters than we take out of theirs. Or rather did. That is the point. This hits Norway worse than us. Yes, some specific negatives for a particular segment of our fishing industry but overall, far more damaging to the Norwegians.

If anybody can contradict me on this, with links, genuinely all ears because even from trawling (bad pun intended) some Norwegian sites with the help of Google Translate, I am still hitting a brick wall.

Something very fishy (again, horrendous pun intended) going on here.

Same here Matov.

Plenty of stories about the UK Norway deal being stalled but I can find nothing about Norway EU talks are they stalled as well in which case Brexit is irrelevant or has the EU been able to do a deal on its own.

As for Norway all I could find was that the fish they catch in our waters has a season which has ended for this year which is why they are in no hurry to complete negotiations.

All rather annoying I wish some journalist would do a proper report.

 


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Matov Flag 04 May 21 10.03am

Originally posted by Badger11


Plenty of stories about the UK Norway deal being stalled but I can find nothing about Norway EU talks are they stalled as well in which case Brexit is irrelevant or has the EU been able to do a deal on its own.

My understanding, and as always perfectly happy and keen to be corrected, is that the previous arrangements between the EU and Norway for fishing made a lot of allowing the Norwegian's access to British fishing waters.

Now that the UK is no longer in the EU, the EU are still trying to retain exactly the same access to Norwegian waters without having the British fishing waters to play as an ace card (I cannot imagine the Norwegian's wanting to fish much in anybody's else's fishing territory).

There was a quote in this article that caught my eye... [Link]

As negotiators met Friday morning, an EU official said the bloc won’t be leaving the negotiating table but feared the U.K. might, setting its own catch limits unilaterally. This would upset the delicate balance of fish stocks in the North Sea, especially mackerel.

“We don’t see a lot of impossible issues to resolve — we think there can be practical solutions,” the official said. “What makes the U.K. often stick to its guns is a matter of principle, it’s political. What we feel is that we prefer to have an agreement, because otherwise it would set a very bad precedent for the very sensitive negotiations on fishing opportunities that we face.”

Blaming the UK for sticking to its guns on matters of principal? Meaning it is not doing what the EU wants it to do?

Not even sure why an EU official would be commenting on this, let alone being quoted.

Something amiss with this entire debacle.


Edited by Matov (04 May 2021 10.04am)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

DANGERCLOSE Flag London 06 May 21 10.35am

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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 06 May 21 11.17am

What is it with the French? Always angry about something with no justification. And now they threaten to cut off power to Jersey if they don't have their way to fish without proper licences.

The funniest comment so far came from a Government source:
"At least when the Germans invaded they kept the lights on"

 


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jeeagles Flag 06 May 21 11.51am

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

What is it with the French? Always angry about something with no justification. And now they threaten to cut off power to Jersey if they don't have their way to fish without proper licences.

The funniest comment so far came from a Government source:
"At least when the Germans invaded they kept the lights on"

They've got an oil power station on the island that they will just power up.

Problem solved.

The French haven't been fishing with proper licences anyway and have spend the past few months dredging and taking way over their quota.

It's all a storm in a tea cup. They love to go on strike and protest. They will surrender soon.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 May 21 11.56am

France is literally the most petty bureaucratic country in the world and now complaining about licences. A licence is required to breathe in France.
It was precisely this kind of behaviour that caused Brexit. France wants everything for free. Behind the scenes the Germans have had enough of them, yet the government needs them for their EU project. The German people can't stand the French. The French can't stand the Germans. The French literally just want the subsidies. The most lazy corrupt country in Europe.
They seem to spend more time and effort protesting and making banners than they do working.

 


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AuntyAnne70 Flag Tunbridge WElls 06 May 21 12.13pm

All so unnecessary and completely avoidable, but hey yeah lets blame the French!


 

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