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 Badger11  Beckenham 24 Oct 21 9.47am |
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Originally posted by Grumbles
Typical Croydon Met Police, totally inept. Satirical cartoons are part of British culture since the 17th Century
Imagine the problems the Met would have if Charlie Hebdu was published in Croydon.
"Evening all, now Mr Hogarth and Mr Rawlinson we've add a number of complaints about your cartoons" 
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| Dubai Eagle 24 Oct 21 10.01am |
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Yes - That train has left the station -
On the "what would you do if it was Palace" question ( I dont often comment on political threads, but) When it was rumoured that we were in talks with Gadaffi,s son I came right out and said - if that goes through I will find another club to support.
I think that you have to find your own truth & vote with your feet.
Originally posted by Goal Machine
I don’t believe this would be the case with Palace. I think most Palace fans take pride in us being a small community club who are punching above our weight. Many, including myself, would turn their back on the club if this type of blood stained investment happened. Having a club to be proud of is more important than winning.
Newcastle fans are in the same bracket as West Ham and Liverpool who seem to think they are entitled to success. No thanks.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 24 Oct 21 10.32am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
What's to investigate? As far as I can see it's the truth maybe it's not "Newcastle's Truth" I hope more clubs do the same thing.
I don't like bringing politics into sport e.g. BLM however Newcastle and their fans started this so people are entitled to voice their opinions.
I am sick of people saying this has nothing to do with their fans (Shearer at al) They campaigned for the takeover and have welcomed it with open arms so they are fair game to be criticised.
Shearer is hardly just a fan. The bloke in the street just wants his football club to win.
I do agree that there is massive hypocrisy among the hand ringers and virtue signallers in the media. They are very selective about their virtue.
That said, those that say they would walk away if it happened at Palace really must take themselves and their virtue very seriously. Personally, I would like to see us win something before I die. The Saudi government is for others to worry about. What I think about them is of little consequence.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 24 Oct 21 10.45am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Shearer is hardly just a fan. The bloke in the street just wants his football club to win.
I do agree that there is massive hypocrisy among the hand ringers and virtue signallers in the media. They are very selective about their virtue.
That said, those that say they would walk away if it happened at Palace really must take themselves and their virtue very seriously. Personally, I would like to see us win something before I die. The Saudi government is for others to worry about. What I think about them is of little consequence.
That would be me.
We have had plenty of owners I didn't like but the Saudi's are at a different level. If they weren't so important to the west the USA probably would have invaded them after 9/11.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 24 Oct 21 10.45am |
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This is Newcastle Supporters site 'The Mag' their take on things without any bias whatsoever . . .(*ahem*)
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This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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| pendragon247 Okehampton Devon 24 Oct 21 10.48am |
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Today we live in a weak soceity where, everything has to be watered down, sugar coated and wrapped in rainbow pattern cotton wool, so as not to upset or offend people. That includes telling the truth
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stayloa  Beckenham 24 Oct 21 11.03am |
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Originally posted by pendragon247
Today we live in a weak soceity where, everything has to be watered down, sugar coated and wrapped in rainbow pattern cotton wool, so as not to upset or offend people. That includes telling the truth
I'm one of those lefties that most people on here don't like the views of, but I fully support what the HF did, don't believe it is racist and also fully support freedom of speech.
There's a difference between airing views (political or otherwise) and being racist.
Nothing in the banner was aimed at Muslims or the Saudi people - just the government and the PIF. You can make a point without having to be offensive to an entire population!
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| dannyboy1978 24 Oct 21 11.09am |
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I don't remember people calling the Charlie hebdow cartoons racist, what has changed?
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| westquay 58 miles from se25 24 Oct 21 11.11am |
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The HF were spot on with their banner and it simply told the truth about a disgusting regime where Bigotry, Religious bigotry, slavery and state murder are just an every day occurrence ..
At least the HF have the bollocks (which of course would be severed in Saudi for such an act) to put their often correct ideas out there..
So why on earth is this even being investigated by Croydons finest (Pah) as ffs it showed nothing racist or bigoted or anything of the sort..
If anybody should be foolishly prosecuted for this then i would be more than happy to contribute a go fund me campaign and I reckon input would come from fans all over the country..
The thing I have found most surprising is this...
I looked on North stand chat expecting to see Palace fans being slated again by the seaweed but happily and to my surprise they support the Natics and some are even talking about helping fund defence for anybody prosecuted...
Time this country stepped up and broke all ties with the murderous vicious place ( I mean Saudi not brighton, although? No sorry) and its support for the war in Yemen and its absolute disregard for life...
I forgot to mention that fans from other clubs want to use the banner too... Maybe it should be sent on tour...
Edited by westquay (24 Oct 2021 11.16am)
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| Stirlingsays 24 Oct 21 11.16am |
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It doesn't really matter what fans think.
This is about power and money....all the buzzwords are for all the gullible who believe them. When anything important is threatened, they go out the window.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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| dg1937 24 Oct 21 11.17am |
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I'm glad the police are 'investigating', the fact they are doing so has attracted far more publicity than the original banner ever would have done. There will be more publicity when the police decide (no doubt without any fanfare) not to take any action. In the very unlikely event they decide there is a case to answer, all hell will break loose. Whoever lodged a complaint really didn't think it through.
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EaglesEaglesEagles  24 Oct 21 11.18am |
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I think Newcastle's takeover has revealed the extent to which ethics no longer matter.
The best thing the fanatics can do is to raise a universal banner at every home game for every other club whose owners have known dodgy backgrounds: Chelsea, Manchester City, Wolves, are there any others? There isn't too much between City and Saudi's owners in my view, both very bad. As for Abramovich, his fortune was made off the backs of starving Russians in the Post-Soviet era.
Criticise Richard Masters, make the general point about human rights and state that it's gone too far. Perhaps we could have a banner like this at every game.
The Mags are right in that I can't remember us making the point before for the other clubs. In one of those comments on their article about the banner a Newcastle fan mentioned the recent blocking vote against interested sponsors. We were more than happy to cash in with the new FaceBank investor but are blocking any future moves. This is wholly hypocritical, the move has just been made to slow Newcastle down.
The best thing we can do now is to respond by taking a consistent moral high ground. It seems holier than thou, but it might make other fans do the same and it makes logical sense.
I ain't got nuthin' funny to say. Sorry.
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| berlinpalace berlin 24 Oct 21 11.32am |
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Yes it’s true that other clubs have s***ty owners as well and it’s true that there should’ve been protests earlier but here we are and better late than never. Maybe the idiot that made the ‘racist’ complaint has kicked off something bigger...
And it’s not a penguin, it’s clearly an obese magpie with its belly hanging down over its knees, like any true geordie.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Oct 21 11.34am |
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Originally posted by Zaha127
Although it is true what the banner says one issue I have with it is tribalism. If Palace were taken over by a Saudi billionaire the majority of Palace fans would be like any other football fan accept it because it would ensure Palace become a European side within the next 3 to 5 years. Top 10 is a dream and that looks unlikely this season. It is hypocritical to have a banner when if the opposite happened most Palace fans like any other football fan base would welcome it cause most fans care more about success than their owners.
Plus if the PL did not accept it would have been hypocritical. You have Man City owned by a state effectively. Chelsea owned by a Russian owner. If you say no to Newcastle there is a double standards. There has also been allegations of corruption against the Chelsea owner, Man City and nearly every rich owner. Most rich owners have allegations of corruption against them many of them are true Newcastle are no different. Money has taken over football a long time ago. Most owners see clubs as businesses. Abramovich didn't take over Chelsea cause of the location of course it was due to profitability. Same with City, PSG and any other football club.
Edited by Zaha127 (24 Oct 2021 6.49am)
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Oct 21 11.46am |
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I'm genuinely really angry that we are being investigated for that banner. How about our police investigate, for instance, if a football club has been taken over by a murderer? Or any one of a number of serious crimes that haven't been solved.
All of the points about the Saudi owners are true, so not racist. The caricature was also a genuine likeness and can't be considered racist.
Red and Blue Army!
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Lanzo-Ad  Lanzarote 24 Oct 21 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Shearer is hardly just a fan. The bloke in the street just wants his football club to win.
I do agree that there is massive hypocrisy among the hand ringers and virtue signallers in the media. They are very selective about their virtue.
That said, those that say they would walk away if it happened at Palace really must take themselves and their virtue very seriously. Personally, I would like to see us win something before I die. The Saudi government is for others to worry about. What I think about them is of little consequence.
I disagree with your trophy at all cost statement, i am sure many owners have murky pasts, but no other one, to my knowledge, has admitted freely to Murder
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Oct 21 11.59am |
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To those of you that think that Politics should not be involved in Sport, I agree.
But in truth the EPL is all about business / money. Morals and ethics take a back seat. It's ceased to be about Sport if indeed it ever was.
The EPL is awash with dirty money - Abramovich, the Chinese etc etc. So we shouldn't be surprised that suddenly the Newcastle takeover was sanctioned after previously being rejected.
You have to wonder why a woman ( Staveley ) and a Jew ( Reuben ) would wish to be part of an alliance with PIF.
As for the Police investigation into the HOF banner, whatever happened to Freedom of Expression in this country ? Or is the aim to turn the UK into a State where that is forbidden ? Like it is in.....Saudi Arabia
Edited by NEILLO (24 Oct 2021 12.00pm)
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| YT Oxford 24 Oct 21 12.09pm |
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Originally posted by Grumbles
Typical Croydon Met Police, totally inept. Satirical cartoons are part of British culture since the 17th Century
Imagine the problems the Met would have if Charlie Hebdu was published in Croydon.
Private Eye used to run cartoons that poked fun at the burka. Burka-clad figures as ten-pins, that sort of thing. Fair game in my opinion. Now, however, I suspect Ian Hislop would happily perpetuate the 'Boris is racist' agenda based on a joke he once made about the inability to identify those wearing the burka, conveniently forgetting his own editorial past.
Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 24 Oct 21 12.27pm |
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Well done the HF, fully support them on this. Views I have seen from most of the PL fans is overwhelmingly in support.
Someone has complained to the Old Bill, so they have to investigate but I can't see if coming to anything.
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| peterg Anerley 24 Oct 21 12.37pm |
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Brilliant banner. By a lovely coincidence, I discussed this very issue with someone I met by chance while having a pre-match pint at the South Norwood craft beer bar. We soon found that we shared the same view on the takeover.
I also liked that a group of friendly Toons were knocking back lagers in said bar. I've always found you can josh with them a bit. No animosity, unlike supporters of some other teams we could mention.
The right place at the right time
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