If ever there's a Channel 5 reality TV show called 'Knocking On vs Signing On' where a relentless, establishment geared 80 year old politically dukes it out with a far right benefits bigot I may well have to stop reading the politics section. But until that day..

Do you have any evidence to back up that assertion, or is it just a belief?

I tend to think it's probably true, though not because they want to "spring a surprise" but more from the embarrassment and shame of admitting it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

IMHO people like messing with pollsters ahead of the voting day but tend to be truthful with exit polls.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

It's a two way street. Plenty tuned out anyone who was a Corbyn supporter for instance, as if it meant that were some kind of radical. I knew supporters of him IRL who would whisper rather add volume to how they talked about him. He wasn't my cup of tea, but it was interesting to witness.

With Trump the trouble is that his personal conduct and language is so repugnant towards others that support for him could be seen as a partial endorsement of that type of behaviour and a 'well if you like it that much, have it back' angle. His personality drowns out his politics. Boris, or most of our politicians tbh, is looking out for number one but he has a jokey affable way about him, so I've not really found support for him or his politics to be social kryptonite. Amongst my friends there is more support for him than not really.

There is something to be said for not being 'overly' political in real life though. Less about what people will think, and more why would we imagine that others would want to hear rehashes of the same outlook on repeat (typically whatever media tells us we should be oh so concerned about that week). There's enough in life to deal with without being or dealing with 'that guy' on his soapbox! Sensibly shared points of view are fine, but if people keep getting too political or partisan in any direction in the day to day, I eventually just tune out, because it stops being a conversation with a person, and is more akin to either a party political broadcast, harranging, or like being someones therapist.

Edited by BlueJay (10 Apr 2022 12.54pm)

Definitely floats my bateau.

Now Macron 1-8 and Le Pen 6-1. Hopefully offering an indication of how 'white brothers' might feel about the alternatives to her right. Crypto-fascism on pause.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 2.16am)

No, in fact I have white brothers and am a white brother. It was a nod towards an assumption that they might want to vote more heavily in a certain direction due to that. I'm just highlighting where people are at politically. Their vote of course, I can but observe it!

Well, yes, if she indeed is favoured by the country, she should certainly lead it. Time will tell if this or the next election moves even more in that direction.

It may be that Le Pen loses again.

However, due to the collective economic paths Europe has taken, it seems nailed on that the majority of us will be increasingly poorer for some time....at the bottom end I have genuine concern.

If this election were even six months later Le Pen would likely win. Her chance is probably next time......if we haven't all been blown up by then.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2022 12.29pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I have plenty of French friends and no one I know, anywhere, likes Macron. I don't trust the elections if I tell the truth. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire, let alone vote for him. The man is a dangerous idiot. Exactly how embarrassing is it in France to marry your teacher - not a young good looking one at that? With all those French women to choose from, my only deduction is that she's either his beard, or he's a bit weird.

Red and Blue Army!