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dreamwaverider London 17 Dec 23 2.20pm
Originally posted by PatrickA I don't think he's a bitter old man nor a bad football manager. I listened to his complete press conference, and from the horse's mouth so to speak his whole approach to the game was dictated by who were the most senior players available. This meant even including Riedewald who he's been reluctant to use in matchday squads recently. Lewis Miley is 17 and once he got in the Newcastle team he's stayed in even when senior players are available. I doubt he'd be retaining his place under Roy. Doesn't make me anti Roy. It's just an observation based on Roy's own words and actions. My observation is Eddie Howe is about half Roy's age. Miley is about half Edie's age. Ward is about half Roy's age. Miley is about half Clyne's age. Never was much good at algebra (probably not taught anymore anyway) Not sure whether there is much to make of this either.

dreamwaverider

London 17 Dec 23 2.20pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

I don't think he's a bitter old man nor a bad football manager.

I listened to his complete press conference, and from the horse's mouth so to speak his whole approach to the game was dictated by who were the most senior players available.
This meant even including Riedewald who he's been reluctant to use in matchday squads recently.

Lewis Miley is 17 and once he got in the Newcastle team he's stayed in even when senior players are available.
I doubt he'd be retaining his place under Roy.
Doesn't make me anti Roy.
It's just an observation based on Roy's own words and actions.

My observation is Eddie Howe is about half Roy's age. Miley is about half Edie's age.
Ward is about half Roy's age. Miley is about half Clyne's age.
Never was much good at algebra (probably not taught anymore anyway)
Not sure whether there is much to make of this either.

Putitout Oxford 17 Dec 23 2.28pm
Originally posted by PatrickA Pep preferred 19 year old Rico Lewis in midfield to the experience of internationals Phillips and Kovacic. It's what the player will contribute rather than how experienced or senior he is that will determine the selection. Riedewald has never been anything other than a bit part player under Roy and he was actively trying to sell him under his last tenure. He's in his mid twenties, but does that alone mean he will contribute more than the younger player? I'm not picking on Riedewald, who I think has attributes, but it's clear he's not really in Roy's plans. The point that some are meking is that Roy will always prefer the senior player and as manager he's obviously entitled to do that. However, other managers are more encouraging of youth and work under the adage 'if you're good enough you're old enough.' What next ? Rico has appeared multiple times for City, both in the Premier league, and the Champions league. And capped for England. He is another exception able to develop in the folds of a mega talented team. On this occasion it was Palace , Pep was playing , with the greatest of respect ,with their record ,and the team we presented. It should have been no contest, and his selection probably had that in mind. Ricos record compares to all of our very best players ,I’m talking Olize, Eze, if we have another one like those two would be great but as of yet that has been nowhere near apparent. Roy works under the adage that you play when you are good enough. It’s totally disrespectful to think he his opinions are crap. Added to this, both Mitchell, and AWB , came in he didn’t drop them, he knew they had what he wanted from them, that’s the name of the game and the present crop are slow to be trusted as they were ,that’s the problem whether fans like it or not. Edited by Putitout (17 Dec 2023 2.46pm)

Putitout

Oxford 17 Dec 23 2.28pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Pep preferred 19 year old Rico Lewis in midfield to the experience of internationals Phillips and Kovacic.

It's what the player will contribute rather than how experienced or senior he is that will determine the selection.

Riedewald has never been anything other than a bit part player under Roy and he was actively trying to sell him under his last tenure.
He's in his mid twenties, but does that alone mean he will contribute more than the younger player?
I'm not picking on Riedewald, who I think has attributes, but it's clear he's not really in Roy's plans.

The point that some are meking is that Roy will always prefer the senior player and as manager he's obviously entitled to do that.
However, other managers are more encouraging of youth and work under the adage 'if you're good enough you're old enough.'

What next ? Rico has appeared multiple times for City, both in the Premier league, and the Champions league. And capped for England. He is another exception able to develop in the folds of a mega talented team. On this occasion it was Palace , Pep was playing , with the greatest of respect ,with their record ,and the team we presented. It should have been no contest, and his selection probably had that in mind.
Ricos record compares to all of our very best players ,I’m talking Olize, Eze, if we have another one like those two would be great but as of yet that has been nowhere near apparent. Roy works under the adage that you play when you are good enough. It’s totally disrespectful to think he his opinions are crap.
Added to this, both Mitchell, and AWB , came in he didn’t drop them, he knew they had what he wanted from them, that’s the name of the game and the present crop are slow to be trusted as they were ,that’s the problem whether fans like it or not.

Edited by Putitout (17 Dec 2023 2.46pm)

PatrickA London 17 Dec 23 2.49pm
I never said his opinions are crap. I said he prefers senior players , as he’s entitled to do. Other managers are willing to trust youth more and will look beyond experience when selecting a team . He apologised a few weeks ago for denigrating the young players but was at it again yesterday. He mentioned that Franca had done well yesterday but had to add, ‘ he found it easier at 2-1 down than if he had started.’ Pouring cold water on it rather than just saying ‘he did well and it was very encouraging.’ It’s not the youngsters who have led us to win one game at home all season and turn in some abject performances this season. It’s the experienced ones. No doubt the retort will be that the performances would have been worse with the younger players. Of that we will never know.

PatrickA

London 17 Dec 23 2.49pm

I never said his opinions are crap.
I said he prefers senior players , as he’s entitled to do.
Other managers are willing to trust youth more and will look beyond experience when selecting a team .
He apologised a few weeks ago for denigrating the young players but was at it again yesterday.
He mentioned that Franca had done well yesterday but had to add, ‘ he found it easier at 2-1 down than if he had started.’
Pouring cold water on it rather than just saying ‘he did well and it was very encouraging.’

It’s not the youngsters who have led us to win one game at home all season and turn in some abject performances this season.
It’s the experienced ones.

No doubt the retort will be that the performances would have been worse with the younger players.
Of that we will never know.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 17 Dec 23 3.06pm
So if it was all going wrong for Rico Lewis, Pep has Kovacic and Phillips on the bench. If one of our youngsters was struggling, we would have the experienced players that are being frequently criticised on here. Not really a fair comparison is it…… Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 17 Dec 23 3.06pm

So if it was all going wrong for Rico Lewis, Pep has Kovacic and Phillips on the bench.

If one of our youngsters was struggling, we would have the experienced players that are being frequently criticised on here.

Not really a fair comparison is it……

Old, Ungifted and White

PatrickA London 17 Dec 23 3.38pm
It's not just Pep though is it? It's Dyche at Everton playing young Branthwaite when he has experienced Keane and Godfrey who cost a lot of money as options. It's Howe playing 17 year old Miley even when Longstaff was fit. It's Silva playing Massey when he has experienced alternatives. It's surprising that people seem to close their mind to even the faintest possibilty that the young players could have had more opportunities this season, particularly when the experienced players that Roy has continued to select have turned in some some awful performances with very poor results. Would some of the aforementioned managers have played Ozoh yesterday rather than Riedewald? It has to be a possibility. I think Roy's a good manager, but it still seems reasonable to be able to at least question his reliance on out of form players merely based on their experience.

PatrickA

London 17 Dec 23 3.38pm

It's not just Pep though is it?
It's Dyche at Everton playing young Branthwaite when he has experienced Keane and Godfrey who cost a lot of money as options.
It's Howe playing 17 year old Miley even when Longstaff was fit.
It's Silva playing Massey when he has experienced alternatives.

It's surprising that people seem to close their mind to even the faintest possibilty that the young players could have had more opportunities this season, particularly when the experienced players that Roy has continued to select have turned in some some awful performances with very poor results.

Would some of the aforementioned managers have played Ozoh yesterday rather than Riedewald?
It has to be a possibility.

I think Roy's a good manager, but it still seems reasonable to be able to at least question his reliance on out of form players merely based on their experience.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 17 Dec 23 4.11pm
Originally posted by PatrickA It's not just Pep though is it? It's Dyche at Everton playing young Branthwaite when he has experienced Keane and Godfrey who cost a lot of money as options. It's Howe playing 17 year old Miley even when Longstaff was fit. It's Silva playing Massey when he has experienced alternatives. It's surprising that people seem to close their mind to even the faintest possibilty that the young players could have had more opportunities this season, particularly when the experienced players that Roy has continued to select have turned in some some awful performances with very poor results. Would some of the aforementioned managers have played Ozoh yesterday rather than Riedewald? It has to be a possibility. I think Roy's a good manager, but it still seems reasonable to be able to at least question his reliance on out of form players merely based on their experience. It's not just Pep, but the examples you gave kind of endorse the point I was making. Good, outstanding young talent that have earned a starting role, but with decent, experienced players ready to come on if required. Do we have that ? - I'm not convinced. Roy has and always will trust experience over youth. Maybe Parish, the man who stated he wanted to create a pathway from the Academy into the first team should have given that a little more thought beyond the short termism of preserving our PL place. I think Rak-Sakhi would have seen more action but for his injury. Of the other genuine contenders ( only my opinion ) I think Ozoh and Franca are being brought along gradually in the expectation that they will have more minutes as the season progresses. As an aside, Parish also said before the Bournemouth game that he was looking for experienced players in the loan market in January ! Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 17 Dec 23 4.11pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Would some of the aforementioned managers have played Ozoh yesterday rather than Riedewald?
It has to be a possibility.

I think Roy's a good manager, but it still seems reasonable to be able to at least question his reliance on out of form players merely based on their experience.

It's not just Pep, but the examples you gave kind of endorse the point I was making. Good, outstanding young talent that have earned a starting role, but with decent, experienced players ready to come on if required. Do we have that ? - I'm not convinced.

Roy has and always will trust experience over youth. Maybe Parish, the man who stated he wanted to create a pathway from the Academy into the first team should have given that a little more thought beyond the short termism of preserving our PL place.

I think Rak-Sakhi would have seen more action but for his injury. Of the other genuine contenders ( only my opinion ) I think Ozoh and Franca are being brought along gradually in the expectation that they will have more minutes as the season progresses.

As an aside, Parish also said before the Bournemouth game that he was looking for experienced players in the loan market in January !

Old, Ungifted and White

pssguy 17 Dec 23 4.16pm
It will be ironic if, on Thursday, Doris's grandson, 18 year old Jack skips past Hughes, Riedewald and Ward before slotting home the winner against us whilst Franca and Ozoh look on from the bench

pssguy

17 Dec 23 4.16pm

It will be ironic if, on Thursday, Doris's grandson, 18 year old Jack skips past Hughes, Riedewald and Ward before slotting home the winner against us whilst Franca and Ozoh look on from the bench

PatrickA London 17 Dec 23 4.50pm
But these managers played the younger players because the older players weren't doing it (e.g Branthwaite in for out of form Keane). Roy hasn't made the same call on our out of form experienced players. Some will say the young players can't be ready, Roy sees them in training, Roy is great etc etc. But in truth , could our young players have turned in any poorer performances than some of our senior players this season? Moreover, if our younger players disappointed when starting matches we would have the experience of e.g Schlupp, Hughes to come off the bench. Don't get me wrong; if Lerma, Eze and Ayew come back into the team for Brighton that's justifiable and good news. However, if any of them have to come off I wouldn't be averse to seeing Ozoh or Franca coming on and trusting them to make an impact instead of relying on the usual suspects. Originally posted by NEILLO It's not just Pep, but the examples you gave kind of endorse the point I was making. Good, outstanding young talent that have earned a starting role, but with decent, experienced players ready to come on if required. Do we have that ? - I'm not convinced. Roy has and always will trust experience over youth. Maybe Parish, the man who stated he wanted to create a pathway from the Academy into the first team should have given that a little more thought beyond the short termism of preserving our PL place. I think Rak-Sakhi would have seen more action but for his injury. Of the other genuine contenders ( only my opinion ) I think Ozoh and Franca are being brought along gradually in the expectation that they will have more minutes as the season progresses. As an aside, Parish also said before the Bournemouth game that he was looking for experienced players in the loan market in January !

PatrickA

London 17 Dec 23 4.50pm

But these managers played the younger players because the older players weren't doing it (e.g Branthwaite in for out of form Keane).
Roy hasn't made the same call on our out of form experienced players.
Some will say the young players can't be ready, Roy sees them in training, Roy is great etc etc.
But in truth , could our young players have turned in any poorer performances than some of our senior players this season?

Moreover, if our younger players disappointed when starting matches we would have the experience of e.g Schlupp, Hughes to come off the bench.

Don't get me wrong; if Lerma, Eze and Ayew come back into the team for Brighton that's justifiable and good news.
However, if any of them have to come off I wouldn't be averse to seeing Ozoh or Franca coming on and trusting them to make an impact instead of relying on the usual suspects.

Originally posted by NEILLO

As an aside, Parish also said before the Bournemouth game that he was looking for experienced players in the loan market in January !

PatrickA London 17 Dec 23 4.59pm
Another club trusting a young one today- 19 year old Mainoo for Manchester United ahead of a host of experienced players on the bench.

PatrickA

London 17 Dec 23 4.59pm

Another club trusting a young one today- 19 year old Mainoo for Manchester United ahead of a host of experienced players on the bench.

Putitout Oxford 17 Dec 23 5.11pm
Originally posted by PatrickA I never said his opinions are crap. I said he prefers senior players , as he’s entitled to do. Other managers are willing to trust youth more and will look beyond experience when selecting a team . He apologised a few weeks ago for denigrating the young players but was at it again yesterday. He mentioned that Franca had done well yesterday but had to add, ‘ he found it easier at 2-1 down than if he had started.’ Pouring cold water on it rather than just saying ‘he did well and it was very encouraging.’ It’s not the youngsters who have led us to win one game at home all season and turn in some abject performances this season. It’s the experienced ones. No doubt the retort will be that the performances would have been worse with the younger players. Of that we will never know. All right Patrick , you didn’t actually say he is crap. But the drift of your posts have constantly inferred he hasn’t got the wisdom to handle our complete squad ,young and old..What ! a man that has handled God knows how many players around Europe, He weighed the situation up for Franca, in a way that many a seasoned pro would do. A sensible reasoned response , of course he found it easier ten minutes of fresh legs. What he means is you are going to need 90 minutes, it’s a man’s game , Franca, did well Roy acknowledged it , Franca, will not be put off by that he will have had worse in America.. And if he was he should never be here. This is Francas first actual stand out ten minutes, and I have seen most if not all of his minutes. He will come he has a lot of ability to develop, letting him think this ten minutes could mean the next ten will be a doddle would be a big mistake , he needs to know you are only as good as your last performance,and Roy does that. Hodgson uses the squad he has at any one time. His only preference no matter how thin his choice is can these players get somewhere close to what I want from them. If a kid came along with ninety minutes of the sort of sheer hard work and concentration needed in this league they would play , it’s not Saturday mornings with the under fourteens. Look Patrick ,everyone has their opinion, you’re welcome as such, that’s what these pages are for . I have made mine clear all over these pages. I wil refrain now, you keep questioning the man. I will not question you

Putitout

Oxford 17 Dec 23 5.11pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

It’s not the youngsters who have led us to win one game at home all season and turn in some abject performances this season.
It’s the experienced ones.

No doubt the retort will be that the performances would have been worse with the younger players.
Of that we will never know.

All right Patrick , you didn’t actually say he is crap. But the drift of your posts have constantly inferred he hasn’t got the wisdom to handle our complete squad ,young and old..What ! a man that has handled God knows how many players around Europe, He weighed the situation up for Franca, in a way that many a seasoned pro would do. A sensible reasoned response , of course he found it easier ten minutes of fresh legs. What he means is you are going to need 90 minutes, it’s a man’s game , Franca, did well Roy acknowledged it , Franca, will not be put off by that he will have had worse in America.. And if he was he should never be here.
This is Francas first actual stand out ten minutes, and I have seen most if not all of his minutes. He will come he has a lot of ability to develop, letting him think this ten minutes could mean the next ten will be a doddle would be a big mistake , he needs to know you are only as good as your last performance,and Roy does that.
Hodgson uses the squad he has at any one time. His only preference no matter how thin his choice is can these players get somewhere close to what I want from them. If a kid came along with ninety minutes of the sort of sheer hard work and concentration needed in this league they would play , it’s not Saturday mornings with the under fourteens.
Look Patrick ,everyone has their opinion, you’re welcome as such, that’s what these pages are for . I have made mine clear all over these pages. I wil refrain now, you keep questioning the man. I will not question you

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Dec 23 5.28pm
Originally posted by pssguy It will be ironic if, on Thursday, Doris's grandson, 18 year old Jack skips past Hughes, Riedewald and Ward before slotting home the winner against us whilst Franca and Ozoh look on from the bench Don't you even go there . . . This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Dec 23 5.28pm

Originally posted by pssguy

It will be ironic if, on Thursday, Doris's grandson, 18 year old Jack skips past Hughes, Riedewald and Ward before slotting home the winner against us whilst Franca and Ozoh look on from the bench

Don't you even go there . . .

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

silvertop Portishead 18 Dec 23 10.38am
Originally posted by eagleman13 Yes, they were, but, i was replying to silvertop's post & added Guehi in as it was relevant. And, yes, I accept none were started under Roy. He is a safe pair of hands in troubled seas. He can't play youngsters unless forced as Moneyballs favours an experienced and settled team when the resources are as (relatively) low as ours. It intrigues me what the club will do when (alright if) the Academy starts pumping through a couple of players a season. I mean - unless we get as stat savvy as Brighton and Brentford and recruit smarter - will the manager be given the brief to stay up AND bring young players on as most fans on this site seem to want. There is a tension between the two. When we have a team full of Edouards and Wards who are very good but journeymen in this division, do we really have the space to blood youth as, say a Man City could?

silvertop

Portishead 18 Dec 23 10.38am

Originally posted by eagleman13

Yes, they were, but, i was replying to silvertop's post & added Guehi in as it was relevant.

And, yes, I accept none were started under Roy.

He is a safe pair of hands in troubled seas. He can't play youngsters unless forced as Moneyballs favours an experienced and settled team when the resources are as (relatively) low as ours.

It intrigues me what the club will do when (alright if) the Academy starts pumping through a couple of players a season. I mean - unless we get as stat savvy as Brighton and Brentford and recruit smarter - will the manager be given the brief to stay up AND bring young players on as most fans on this site seem to want. There is a tension between the two. When we have a team full of Edouards and Wards who are very good but journeymen in this division, do we really have the space to blood youth as, say a Man City could?

Putitout Oxford 18 Dec 23 11.31am
Originally posted by silvertop And, yes, I accept none were started under Roy. He is a safe pair of hands in troubled seas. He can't play youngsters unless forced as Moneyballs favours an experienced and settled team when the resources are as (relatively) low as ours. It intrigues me what the club will do when (alright if) the Academy starts pumping through a couple of players a season. I mean - unless we get as stat savvy as Brighton and Brentford and recruit smarter - will the manager be given the brief to stay up AND bring young players on as most fans on this site seem to want. There is a tension between the two. When we have a team full of Edouards and Wards who are very good but journeymen in this division, do we really have the space to blood youth as, say a Man City could? On the issue of Roy, I support him fully in the situation he is trying to deal with. But that’s it he can not be asked to carry on. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if our academy came up with two racing certainties every year, I’d love it. It’s a big ask, and we really are not anywhere near it yet. It’s always about quality, the proof is in our squad , Olize, Eze, and Guehe, were either under twenty one or just out, all at international level when we bought them in. Can any of our younger players match them ? I don’t think so. We have what we thought were promising players out, not one in the championship, and no one setting great levels. Most of the young players making any impact elsewhere are already in the England under twenty one group or if not from the same with a top football nation. Added to that as you say do we have the space to blood youth. For me it’s a case of playing conditions to make space, I,e all the time we spend too much of the season. Struggling to avoid a relegation, it gets harder and harder, especially if the record alone says it’s not the best quality you use. In the big clubs ,we all know who they are, actually getting them in is. easier because they are surrounded by a winning team full of class acts ,it’s different stress, for them, And all to often they have done a bit of work elsewhere successfully, we can’t often claim that. I don’t think it’s all bad news, Ozoh, or something like , is coming along nicely, JRS just needs a bit more upper body going on. Franca, and Ahamada, I don’t look at in the same light ,they are a real investment, a little slow to pay a dividend. Edited by Putitout (18 Dec 2023 11.33am)

Putitout

Oxford 18 Dec 23 11.31am

Originally posted by silvertop

And, yes, I accept none were started under Roy.

He is a safe pair of hands in troubled seas. He can't play youngsters unless forced as Moneyballs favours an experienced and settled team when the resources are as (relatively) low as ours.

On the issue of Roy, I support him fully in the situation he is trying to deal with. But that’s it he can not be asked to carry on.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if our academy came up with two racing certainties every year, I’d love it. It’s a big ask, and we really are not anywhere near it yet. It’s always about quality, the proof is in our squad , Olize, Eze, and Guehe, were either under twenty one or just out, all at international level when we bought them in. Can any of our younger players match them ? I don’t think so. We have what we thought were promising players out, not one in the championship, and no one setting great levels.
Most of the young players making any impact elsewhere are already in the England under twenty one group or if not from the same with a top football nation.
Added to that as you say do we have the space to blood youth. For me it’s a case of playing conditions to make space, I,e all the time we spend too much of the season. Struggling to avoid a relegation, it gets harder and harder, especially if the record alone says it’s not the best quality you use.
In the big clubs ,we all know who they are, actually getting them in is. easier because
they are surrounded by a winning team full of class acts ,it’s different stress, for them,
And all to often they have done a bit of work elsewhere successfully, we can’t often claim that. I don’t think it’s all bad news, Ozoh, or something like , is coming along nicely, JRS just needs a bit more upper body going on.
Franca, and Ahamada, I don’t look at in the same light ,they are a real investment, a little slow to pay a dividend.

Edited by Putitout (18 Dec 2023 11.33am)

PalazioVecchio south pole 27 Dec 23 10.07pm
once again. I believe that tired legs may have cost us. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 27 Dec 23 10.07pm

once again. I believe that tired legs may have cost us.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Sansbup Norfolk 27 Dec 23 10.20pm
I despair.

Sansbup

Norfolk 27 Dec 23 10.20pm

I despair.

radicalsteve ottawa 27 Dec 23 11.47pm
Bang on, not just tired legs, but tired minds having to be on the back foot the whole time - it is a game of probablities as well and defending in your own third for so long has a predictable loosing outcome. Roy is not a manager for the modern game. Let's be clear, when he "rescued" us last season, it was with a run of really easy fixtures, but the season is not like that unfortunately and now his tactics do not work, especially when it comes to coaching the talented youth on our bench! Originally posted by PalazioVecchio once again. I believe that tired legs may have cost us.

radicalsteve

ottawa 27 Dec 23 11.47pm

Bang on, not just tired legs, but tired minds having to be on the back foot the whole time - it is a game of probablities as well and defending in your own third for so long has a predictable loosing outcome. Roy is not a manager for the modern game. Let's be clear, when he "rescued" us last season, it was with a run of really easy fixtures, but the season is not like that unfortunately and now his tactics do not work, especially when it comes to coaching the talented youth on our bench!

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

once again. I believe that tired legs may have cost us.

Canterbury Palace Whitstable 28 Dec 23 10.54am
We've conceded a goal after the 80th minute in six of our last eight games, costing us eight points. Unbelievably, all six of these goals were scored by opposition substitutes. We only made the first substitution in two of those games and both were due to injury. Our in-game management is costing us dearly. Roy is reactive, rather than proactive, and even then he's far too slow. We can all see what's coming in these games and he just does nothing about it until it's too late. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

Canterbury Palace

Whitstable 28 Dec 23 10.54am

We've conceded a goal after the 80th minute in six of our last eight games, costing us eight points.

Unbelievably, all six of these goals were scored by opposition substitutes.

We only made the first substitution in two of those games and both were due to injury.

Our in-game management is costing us dearly. Roy is reactive, rather than proactive, and even then he's far too slow. We can all see what's coming in these games and he just does nothing about it until it's too late.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 28 Dec 23 11.20am
Originally posted by Canterbury Palace We've conceded a goal after the 80th minute in six of our last eight games, costing us eight points. Unbelievably, all six of these goals were scored by opposition substitutes. We only made the first substitution in two of those games and both were due to injury. Our in-game management is costing us dearly. Roy is reactive, rather than proactive, and even then he's far too slow. We can all see what's coming in these games and he just does nothing about it until it's too late. Agree completely, and the numbers are pretty damning - surely if we have any sort of sports science/data team, that sort of thing jumps off the page at them. Eze shouldn't have been left out there for 90 minutes yesterday following his injury, and his tired tackle for the match-winning penalty shows exactly why. Roy clearly has no faith at all in the squad players, but I view that more of a Roy problem than with the players themselves - as recently as City away Ozoh, Ahamada and Franca have all shown themselves as capable of impacting games at this level, and yet we just watch the same players run themselves into the ground game after game. He's started Hughes in the Eze role previously, so even if he doesn't trust one of the younger lads, just stick Hughes in there and see the game out. Just baffling.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 28 Dec 23 11.20am

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

We've conceded a goal after the 80th minute in six of our last eight games, costing us eight points.

Unbelievably, all six of these goals were scored by opposition substitutes.

We only made the first substitution in two of those games and both were due to injury.

Agree completely, and the numbers are pretty damning - surely if we have any sort of sports science/data team, that sort of thing jumps off the page at them.

Eze shouldn't have been left out there for 90 minutes yesterday following his injury, and his tired tackle for the match-winning penalty shows exactly why.

Roy clearly has no faith at all in the squad players, but I view that more of a Roy problem than with the players themselves - as recently as City away Ozoh, Ahamada and Franca have all shown themselves as capable of impacting games at this level, and yet we just watch the same players run themselves into the ground game after game. He's started Hughes in the Eze role previously, so even if he doesn't trust one of the younger lads, just stick Hughes in there and see the game out.

Just baffling.

Spiderman Horsham 28 Dec 23 1.25pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Agree completely, and the numbers are pretty damning - surely if we have any sort of sports science/data team, that sort of thing jumps off the page at them. Eze shouldn't have been left out there for 90 minutes yesterday following his injury, and his tired tackle for the match-winning penalty shows exactly why. Roy clearly has no faith at all in the squad players, but I view that more of a Roy problem than with the players themselves - as recently as City away Ozoh, Ahamada and Franca have all shown themselves as capable of impacting games at this level, and yet we just watch the same players run themselves into the ground game after game. He's started Hughes in the Eze role previously, so even if he doesn't trust one of the younger lads, just stick Hughes in there and see the game out. Just baffling. Totally agree. Medical guys have told Roy not to rush Eze back, ridiculous tgat he kept him on. Ahamada is a player I rate, he was a regular in the Bundeliga but Roy hardly gives him a sniff. He should have been on with Franca both of whom would have helped relieve the burden on the defence. I also am of the opinion that Andersen is getting peed off with the way we play

Spiderman

Horsham 28 Dec 23 1.25pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Agree completely, and the numbers are pretty damning - surely if we have any sort of sports science/data team, that sort of thing jumps off the page at them.

Eze shouldn't have been left out there for 90 minutes yesterday following his injury, and his tired tackle for the match-winning penalty shows exactly why.

Just baffling.

Totally agree. Medical guys have told Roy not to rush Eze back, ridiculous tgat he kept him on. Ahamada is a player I rate, he was a regular in the Bundeliga but Roy hardly gives him a sniff. He should have been on with Franca both of whom would have helped relieve the burden on the defence. I also am of the opinion that Andersen is getting peed off with the way we play

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 28 Dec 23 1.28pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Totally agree. Medical guys have told Roy not to rush Eze back, ridiculous tgat he kept him on. Ahamada is a player I rate, he was a regular in the Bundeliga but Roy hardly gives him a sniff. He should have been on with Franca both of whom would have helped relieve the burden on the defence. I also am of the opinion that Andersen is getting peed off with the way we play Yep, so many options to replace Eze yesterday - an argument can be made for any of Hughes, Schlupp, Ozoh or Franca, depending on what you’re trying to achieve, but to go with none is just poor game management. A more progressive manager absolutely finds solutions in our squad - Roy seems more interested in pointing out how bad our squad is.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 28 Dec 23 1.28pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Yep, so many options to replace Eze yesterday - an argument can be made for any of Hughes, Schlupp, Ozoh or Franca, depending on what you’re trying to achieve, but to go with none is just poor game management.

A more progressive manager absolutely finds solutions in our squad - Roy seems more interested in pointing out how bad our squad is.

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