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 Teddy Eagle  08 Dec 20 10.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Yes he did. He started the protests. Unconnected with coaching He must be older than he looks if he’s been doing it for 60 years, an article about the University of South Carolina Gamecocks. The Gamecocks held a Varsity-Alumni game, and during halftime, one of the Alumni players, Albert "King" Dixon Jr., paid tribute to Rex Enright, a longtime coach and athletic director who had died the month before. With two minutes left before they had to go back out on the field, the Little King stood up and said: "Some of us talked about this before the game. We all played for him. We all loved him. Now he's gone. So let's all take a knee for a moment of silence for our Rex Enright."
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Mapletree  Croydon 08 Dec 20 10.14pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
My anti BLM friends must forgive me but I find that quite funny. That would be stereotyping. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (08 Dec 2020 9.34pm) For the avoidance of doubt my original post has been doctored. Although almost every Millwall fan I have met was an mbicile Edited by Mapletree (08 Dec 2020 10.15pm)
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Dec 20 10.16pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Yes. Not much help really
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 10.19pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It happened at West Ham as well. The tv sound was muted. It also happened at Colchester, Brentford and Reading. It’s proven to be divisive. Exactly who is being divided? The decent and respectable from the barbaric and thoughtless? If exposing the fact that these attitudes still exist helps to bring shame on their heads it seems a sensible thing to do. But of course, that's wrong, isn't it. They are exposing the connection to a Marxist group in the USA. Silly me.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
You can tell you haven't been on there. The BBS actually has some decent discussions on the matter, the majority actually. It does however have on there a quite obvious contingent of extreme left posters, and I mean the extreme, to the point I would question whether they are fans at all or not just hijackers. As previously mentioned, this does not exclude people openly identifying as 'Antifa'. As for BLM, there are also some posters who have posted long narratives quite pathetically trying to justify the BLM 'manifesto' let alone disassociate it with the kneeling. Your posts do baffle me sometimes to the point I become very suspicious and tend not to reply but thought I would give you some insight on this one. There can some hurtful comments from both sides on here (boohoo) but in comparison it does actually make me grateful that a platform exists where we can have sometimes heated discussion without some nutcase posting things like this when someone (an OP) merely poses the question of whether people would boo or not without any indication of their position: "I would boo you, you f**king Aids toilet c**t" There are people here who think that people on the political centre-ground are extreme left-wingers.
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jeeagles  08 Dec 20 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
QPR players celebrating their goal by taking a knee in front of the Millwall fans? Inject it. It's a great response. I like the way Millwall fans expressed their objections to symbolim thats intrinsically linked with a group that rioted at the hight of the pandemic and graffittied the cenotaph. I also like the way Casim-Richards objected to them. I think Millwall's approach to come up with a equality statement everyone can get behind is far better than imposing a controversial cause on people. The celebration is more than likely to be antagonistic but will be supported in the Guardian as "brave" tomorrow. The most annoying thing about this whole situation is the press constantly presenting contrived arguments and lazily condemning people as good or bad like a Disney move. All aimed at being decisive to make money (or just to divide us in the case of Russia Today).
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Dec 20 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There are people here who think that people on the political centre-ground are extreme left-wingers. I’ve never seen any of that.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 10.28pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You’ve read every mind of every footballer in England? Wow, lottery numbers please. Maybe your super powers didn’t stretch to QPR players who didn’t take the knee after their black director, Les Ferdinand, instructed them not to. You really are amusing. Now some QPR players might take the knee because the booing is being reported as racist. Well we’ll see tonight during the kick it out banner if it was. As I think Dan has explained what Les Ferdinand's position is on this there is no need for me to repeat it. Suffice to say he wouldn't be booing those who did decide to kneel.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 10.38pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Exactly who is being divided? The decent and respectable from the barbaric and thoughtless? If exposing the fact that these attitudes still exist helps to bring shame on their heads it seems a sensible thing to do. But of course, that's wrong, isn't it. They are exposing the connection to a Marxist group in the USA. Silly me. You’ve completely forgotten about the police bending the knee in the summer and Cressida Dick and Sadiq Khan getting heavy criticism for it all. No, it’s just about their teammates getting some flack, or a criminal in another country, or an American footballer, or something. What a load of nonsense. Display zero tolerance of racism in a football stadium because you’re on someone’s property, and change a few worthwhile things in society, but no thanks to subservient gestures, especially with what happened in the summer. I wouldn’t expect anyone to do it for any reason in my company and neither would I. And it’s no surprise of the politics of the BBS idiots condoning the vandalism on London’s historical heroes while saying it’s no big deal. It’s probably and hopefully running its course anyway. Rugby players are starting to not do it and it’s only silly professional sportspeople more interested in likes than of what they’re truly doing. F1 is one of the more middle class sports and Lewis Hamilton has lost masses of fans with his demands that everyone else follows his line while the other drivers display anti racism in their own way. Funny that, even the Germans, Swiss, Austrians, and many other European sportsmen won’t do it or entertain it either. But we’re all little Englanders aren’t we? Have a day off Hol tomorrow. Save us from more BS and double standards.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 10.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I think Dan has explained what Les Ferdinand's position is on this there is no need for me to repeat it. Suffice to say he wouldn't be booing those who did decide to kneel. Les Ferdinand backed cause but not the means. Same as me and others on here. Racism has no place in society and neither does displays of subservience. I’m not surprised Les Ferdinand made the right decision when he had to or was allowed to make one rather than follow one.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You’ve pretty much said what many think. We may as well not turn up as we’re just part of the cleansed marketing package. If you think football players think solely like that then frankly they’re too stupid and shouldn’t be in the position to promote and spread visual displays they don’t understand. In a lot of cases this is the case, but you’re claiming there aren’t any anywhere thinking this isn’t what he wants to do, including the QPR players who went along with black ales Ferdinand’s wish to not take the knee, which makes your assumption even less credible. It wasn't just the players was it? It was everyone involved right the way through to the broadcasters. Les Ferdinand has only said what I have. That maybe the gesture has become diluted, although in the past he found it very powerful. I hope you noted that the QPR players DID all take the knee this evening and then a couple of them did so in front of the Millwall fans when they scored. So now you tell me. Whose assumptions are less credible?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 10.58pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Why would they have to give a reason. I was thinking more of them explaining to their teammates than to the world at large. If you agree to do things together it's only reasonable to explain when you break ranks.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
They may not have started it but were happy to adopt it. Taking the knee at BLM meetings, Police being ordered to take the knee at BLM demonstrations, so isn’t it obvious why it is seen as a symbol of BLM. As most people don't see it that way your point is moot. Only those who follow US politics closely or have a special hatred of anything remotely left feel that way. There's just an abnormal number of them here. Most just see it as a symbol of solidarity with the disadvantaged.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 11.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It wasn't just the players was it? It was everyone involved right the way through to the broadcasters. Les Ferdinand has only said what I have. That maybe the gesture has become diluted, although in the past he found it very powerful. I hope you noted that the QPR players DID all take the knee this evening and then a couple of them did so in front of the Millwall fans when they scored. So now you tell me. Whose assumptions are less credible? The whole knee thing has been a bad decision by everybody bearing in mind what happened in London. Again, look at F1. Rejected by individual sportsmen not under pressure by new English woke nonsense led by corporations and sky, who funnily enough are the biggest of the lot. No, instead they display anti racism without subservient and controversial gestures. Clearly the QPR players have got emotional over it in the last few days because they’ve been influenced that what happened at Millwall vs Derby was racist rather than against the gesture and the recent not too distant history of the knee and black power salutes.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 11.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As most people don't see it that way your point is moot. Only those who follow US politics closely or have a special hatred of anything remotely left feel that way. There's just an abnormal number of them here. Most just see it as a symbol of solidarity with the disadvantaged. Someone I know mentors young black graduates in the city of London and he thinks it’s all bollox and would never expect anyone to take the knee for anyone or anything. Depends what your pride and expectations levels are I suppose.
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 08 Dec 20 11.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Football is over represented by the very group they claim suffers 'inequality'.....where in the law is this inequality? The very group they claim inequality for is funded to the tune of millions by corporations and gets continual support by every organisation .....continually telling us how terrible their life is. I had feck all help growing up. The whole thing is nuts. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2020 10.12pm) It's about more than football. That's the whole reason people are kicking up a fuss about it, keeping politics out of football, supposedly.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.28pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Give me strength. I will try one last time, because of the way taking the knee was initially covered by the media, it was most definitely aligned with support of BLM, fact. People attending BLM took the knee to show their support, the Police kneeled at a BLM demonstration. Can you honestly not see where the connection comes from? The fact clubs/ players are now saying different, IMO is something they should have said initially. Did any of them say “ we are not taking the knee in support of BLM?” No, they had BLM on their shirts, Sky had BLM on the screen ( still do), it really is not that difficult if you are prepared to drop the accusations of racism against everyone who disagrees, and just think about it I think those who are arguing with you are the ones needing strength! Rarely have I encountered such a stubborn refusal to see the obvious as that which exists in this thread. Not I hasten to add only from you. Let's start by acknowledging that the BLM political movement exists and has not covered itself in glory with some of it's activities. However, the idea that "black lives matter" transcends that political movement and it is the idea, and not the political movement, that the players are showing support for. If you don't believe me, believe them because they have said so. Repeatedly. That the letter "BLM" on shirts, TV screens etc, is NOT an endorsement of the political movement. It is a simple fact that the idea uses the same words. That the political movement has registered the title and hi-jacked the idea might be clever marketing but that's all it is. They want you to make these mistakes as it's all good publicity. You are being used! Whether racism was behind the booing or not is unknown but that doesn't make it any less disrespectful.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.36pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
What does not apply? Your contention that because a symbol is associated with a movement that anyone using it must be supporting that movement. That is true, by common consent for the Nazi salute, but is clearly in dispute for "taking the knee". Did I really need to explain that?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And after this period of self revelation what is everybody supposed to do? Learn and try harder. Some can and do. Some cannot and don't.
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