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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 08 Nov 20 1.21pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

He didn't change the style. Leeds where just open at the back, can't defend and have very poor finishing up front.

Thats why they got thrashed by Leicester too. Thats why they have the most goals conceded in the league.

Bamford has missed the most "big chances" this season, with 6 opportunities squandered.

It was a good performance, but let's put everything in context.

All 100% right.

 
jeeagles Flag 08 Nov 20 2.00pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

I agree with you and that I feel is the clubs goal to move on with the structure that Mr Hodgson has so far built up, sorry if I'm rude to you, I do not mean it.

No problem. These things can get a bit emotive.

 
Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 08 Nov 20 2.17pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

No problem. These things can get a bit emotive.

Indeed.

 
PatrickA Flag London 08 Nov 20 2.41pm

To summarise this thread:
Roy in - where we get performances like Man Utd and Leeds
Roy out - where we get performances like Chelsea and Brighton.
If only life were so simple!

 
jeeagles Flag 08 Nov 20 2.51pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

To summarise this thread:
Roy in - where we get performances like Man Utd and Leeds
Roy out - where we get performances like Chelsea and Brighton.
If only life were so simple!

If it was wins (or 4 points) against united and Chelsea he should clearly stay.

If it was losses (or 2 points) against Brighton and Leeds he should go.

We are in a middle ground.

 
Gribbo Flag Bromley 08 Nov 20 3.17pm

Roy out, but only when we have clearly lined up someone better and not a panic appointment. Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche, or indeed Chris Wilder are not the answer by a very long stretch.

Personally I would like to see Paddy McCarthy developed into the role within 1 - 2 years time, with Roy continuing until Paddy is ready to step up.

 
dreamwaverider Flag London 08 Nov 20 3.28pm

Roy may well have already decided this is his last season. Don’t forget he only signed one year renewal.

 
Gribbo Flag Bromley 08 Nov 20 4.01pm

Roy needs to be replaced before or at the end of this season - in which case, by whom?

Or, he will be offered, and may accept a further contract.

Either way, SP needs to be lining a replacement in the medium to longer term. Paddy gets my vote, first under Roy, and then instead of, once Roy leaves the post. If Paddy can learn from Roy how he organises defensively before he departs, then it will be a good apprenticeship.

 
Painter Flag Croydon 08 Nov 20 4.05pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

People have been saying for months to try Meyer, Reidewald, Camarasa, Sorloth etc whilst his supporters have been saying that we have a weak squad. There were claims we needed wholesale changes, when really all it seems we needed was one or two extra players and better use of the squad we already had.

Turns out the Reidewald finally got a break where there was no one else to play in the left back position and after a bit of a run people realise that the 20 year old Dutch international we signed 3 years ago was a decent player.

His supporters also say that we can't judge him on one match against say Chelsea or Brighton or Wolves, yet claim he should be totally vindicated for the last half of last season based on the last half of last season.

You're arguments are hypocritical and fundamental flawed.

I've constantly said he's an average manager who ran out of ideas. He's finally had an idea to play Reidewald and 4-4-2 and he's now on par with whats expected of him. I think the real test is over the next 3 games.

The best time to get rid of him would have been the tail end of last season, so an incoming manager would have a transfer window to prepare.

At the moment I wouldnt sack him, but we have to think of succession planning and if a decent manager is available we should get them in.

Every time we beat a newly promoted side you are straight on here saying what a great manager he is. Bit sad really.

Its fairly obvious, you don't like Roy. You keep posting a lot of nonsense, as if you know what your talking about. The facts are all against you, he is the most successful manager for Palace in recent times.
You said Pulis and Alardyce left as they were employable, what are they doing now?

 
Runningman Flag Keston 08 Nov 20 7.11pm

Originally posted by Gribbo

Roy out, but only when we have clearly lined up someone better and not a panic appointment. Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche, or indeed Chris Wilder are not the answer by a very long stretch.

Personally I would like to see Paddy McCarthy developed into the role within 1 - 2 years time, with Roy continuing until Paddy is ready to step up.


Eh ? On what basis ?

 
PatrickA Flag London 08 Nov 20 7.44pm

We should have an idea about the club’s and Roy’s intentions by around January .
This is certainly where discussions were initiated before he signed his last extension.
He clearly enjoys the role of manager and has previously indicated that he would only retire if he no longer felt capable for health or other reasons.
I was disillusioned with him last season where it all seemed to have gone stale.
This season he seems at present to be more flexible.
I didn’t believe he would start Jairo over the likes of Mcarthur and Luka , but he has done.
I’m hopeful he’ll give Eze more of a run as I feared he might go the way of Meyer.
If ithis trend continues with players selected on merit, rather than just being Roy’s favourites, this surely points to a more flexible approach as opposed to the rigidity he has employed in the past.

 
Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 08 Nov 20 8.09pm

Replacing Roy will be tricky.

Dyche may be the safe option (and he's my choice) if our goal is to continue the way we are. But if we want to evolve what we do, the incoming manager has a huge task. Especially if we keep the same personnel.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 08 Nov 20 8.23pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Replacing Roy will be tricky.

Dyche may be the safe option (and he's my choice) if our goal is to continue the way we are. But if we want to evolve what we do, the incoming manager has a huge task. Especially if we keep the same personnel.

Fulham and Brighton are trying it but will they achieve the desired points? ..both are not too far off I hate to say.
We have in the past under Mr Hodgson had quite high %

 
Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 08 Nov 20 9.22pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Replacing Roy will be tricky.

Dyche may be the safe option (and he's my choice) if our goal is to continue the way we are. But if we want to evolve what we do, the incoming manager has a huge task. Especially if we keep the same personnel.

Absolutely Dyche! No wins, 2 draws, 3 goals, 9 conceded. Safe as houses. Before you know it, we'll be.....relegated. You hate Hodgson THAT much? What's wrong with you?

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Nov 20 9.44pm

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3572661]

Absolutely Dyche! No wins, 2 draws, 3 goals, 9 conceded. Safe as houses. Before you know it, we'll be.....relegated. You hate Hodgson THAT much? What's wrong with you?

In the main the criticism has all been directed at the style of play under Hodgson and the dearth of goals and of course they could be inter-linked.The team have short-changed supporters at Selhurst Park.

However in the final analysis he has met his objectives on limited transfer expenditure.In his first season despite the team not picking up a single point after 7 games, he kept us up finishing in 11th place. He has ensured that we remained in the PL for 3 seasons and this could well extend to a 4th season.
Many will conclude that the end has justified the means.

Edited by Willo (08 Nov 2020 9.46pm)

 
Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 08 Nov 20 10.13pm

Originally posted by Willo

In the main the criticism has all been directed at the style of play under Hodgson and the dearth of goals and of course they could be inter-linked.The team have short-changed supporters at Selhurst Park.

However in the final analysis he has met his objectives on limited transfer expenditure.In his first season despite the team not picking up a single point after 7 games, he kept us up finishing in 11th place. He has ensured that we remained in the PL for 3 seasons and this could well extend to a 4th season.
Many will conclude that the end has justified the means.

Edited by Willo (08 Nov 2020 9.46pm)

8 games in, and we have a nomination to replace our manager for a similar manager who is currently 11 places lower than us. The style of play is very similar to our style of play, but without the results. What, exactly, would be good about having Dyche?

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Nov 20 10.24pm

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3572678]

8 games in, and we have a nomination to replace our manager for a similar manager who is currently 11 places lower than us. The style of play is very similar to our style of play, but without the results. What, exactly, would be good about having Dyche?

With respect, I have never suggested Dyche as a replacement for Hodgson.

In actual fact I have asserted there is no vacancy and unlikely to be one for the foreseeable future.
I have considered the possibility that should we retain our place in the PL this season and Hodgson has a desire to continue he could well be given the opportunity to do so.

 
Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 09 Nov 20 6.31am

I don't hate Hodgson at all. Nor am I in a rush to replace him.

The Brighton game was a shambles that really concerned me, but he's shown since that he's still got it. And the team still plays for him. Roy in.

But his age (73) is ultimately going to mean we need to replace him in the next several years.

It is simplistic to look at Dyche's record this season (so far) and say he's a poor manager. Indeed, as I said, he's my choice *only if* we want to keep going with our current approach.

With a team on an even lower budget than ours he's finished 7th, 15th and 10th.

Because my belief is that the wheels will come off fast if this team tries to play a much more expansive game every week without a highly highly talented manager to implement it.

Roy has cut our cloth. Whoever comes next needs to work with that.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 09 Nov 20 8.32am

Originally posted by Willo

In the main the criticism has all been directed at the style of play under Hodgson and the dearth of goals and of course they could be inter-linked.The team have short-changed supporters at Selhurst Park.

However in the final analysis he has met his objectives on limited transfer expenditure. In his first season despite the team not picking up a single point after 7 games, he kept us up finishing in 11th place. He has ensured that we remained in the PL for 3 seasons and this could well extend to a 4th season.
Many will conclude that the end has justified the means.

Edited by Willo (08 Nov 2020 9.46pm)

Everything you write is right.
With pots of money we could attract the players and staff, Mr Hodgson is building a very solid foundation with what he has ..one that is able to collect plenty of points for survival and one that is improving it's entertainment on the pitch as we write, how can anyone not be content with our situation and at a time like now especially.

 
Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 09 Nov 20 8.47am

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I don't hate Hodgson at all. Nor am I in a rush to replace him.

The Brighton game was a shambles that really concerned me, but he's shown since that he's still got it. And the team still plays for him. Roy in.

But his age (73) is ultimately going to mean we need to replace him in the next several years.

It is simplistic to look at Dyche's record this season (so far) and say he's a poor manager. Indeed, as I said, he's my choice *only if* we want to keep going with our current approach.

With a team on an even lower budget than ours he's finished 7th, 15th and 10th.

Because my belief is that the wheels will come off fast if this team tries to play a much more expansive game every week without a highly highly talented manager to implement it.

Roy has cut our cloth. Whoever comes next needs to work with that.

Dyche has said on many occasions that he needs to be backed with more ability to bring in players and is if not going to start to struggle, it's happening now and if he doesn't mix it up correctly he/they will lose confidence and that will be that, if we beat them next I wouldn't be surprised if he walks. He is a good motivator and works brilliantly with camaraderie amongst his players but if they continue as they are it to me shows that he is at the wrong club and ultimately the club will fail by not backing him, who knows how good he could be with us ...it could be a good gamble as much as a bad one, whoever we bring in will be one.

 
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