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chris123 hove actually 25 Nov 21 10.36am
The regional MP blaming local aid agencies for providing food, clothes, shoes, laundry, phone charging.

chris123

hove actually 25 Nov 21 10.36am

The regional MP blaming local aid agencies for providing food, clothes, shoes, laundry, phone charging.

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 25 Nov 21 10.39am
It was always going to take a mass tragedy to get these political retards into action. Just for the moment it's about swerving the blame, then something might actually get done. Why does it always take a tragedy to get some action ? I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 25 Nov 21 10.39am

It was always going to take a mass tragedy to get these political retards into action. Just for the moment it's about swerving the blame, then something might actually get done.

Why does it always take a tragedy to get some action ?

I disengage, I turn the page.

Badger11 Beckenham 25 Nov 21 10.42am
Originally posted by chris123 The regional MP blaming local aid agencies for providing food, clothes, shoes, laundry, phone charging. Do you mean here or in France? Once they have arrived here we have a duty of care so I think it is fair enough. However we should be sending them back assuming they are economic migrants. In France they have allowed these makeshift camps to exist something that would not happen over here as the public would not stand for it. The reason these migrants want to come to the UK is the French treat them very badly. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 25 Nov 21 10.42am

Originally posted by chris123

The regional MP blaming local aid agencies for providing food, clothes, shoes, laundry, phone charging.

Do you mean here or in France?

Once they have arrived here we have a duty of care so I think it is fair enough. However we should be sending them back assuming they are economic migrants.

In France they have allowed these makeshift camps to exist something that would not happen over here as the public would not stand for it. The reason these migrants want to come to the UK is the French treat them very badly.

One more point

chris123 hove actually 25 Nov 21 11.04am
Originally posted by Badger11 Do you mean here or in France? Once they have arrived here we have a duty of care so I think it is fair enough. However we should be sending them back assuming they are economic migrants. In France they have allowed these makeshift camps to exist something that would not happen over here as the public would not stand for it. The reason these migrants want to come to the UK is the French treat them very badly. In France, heard on France 24 news channel.

chris123

hove actually 25 Nov 21 11.04am

Originally posted by Badger11

Do you mean here or in France?

Once they have arrived here we have a duty of care so I think it is fair enough. However we should be sending them back assuming they are economic migrants.

In France, heard on France 24 news channel.

Badger11 Beckenham 25 Nov 21 11.21am
Originally posted by chris123 In France, heard on France 24 news channel. Thanks. Well the French allow these people into their country with no legal status and then choose not to either give them asylum or return them. I think that's the bigger issue than mobile phones. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 25 Nov 21 11.21am

Originally posted by chris123

In France, heard on France 24 news channel.

Thanks.

Well the French allow these people into their country with no legal status and then choose not to either give them asylum or return them. I think that's the bigger issue than mobile phones.

One more point

The Dolphin 25 Nov 21 11.36am
A rep from one of the charities said they were horrified to see the French authorities watch the boat leave! It is our problem as well though - it is a Europe wide issue which needs to be solved somewhow. Immigrants coming to our shores is nothing new and we should do our bit but this way of travel is lethal and at the same time these poor people (most of the time) are also paying a ton of money to unscrupulous criminal gangs in the first instance. It is all so sad but the French appear to be helping these poor people try and reach the UK and this is plain wrong.

The Dolphin

25 Nov 21 11.36am

A rep from one of the charities said they were horrified to see the French authorities watch the boat leave!
It is our problem as well though - it is a Europe wide issue which needs to be solved somewhow.
Immigrants coming to our shores is nothing new and we should do our bit but this way of travel is lethal and at the same time these poor people (most of the time) are also paying a ton of money to unscrupulous criminal gangs in the first instance.
It is all so sad but the French appear to be helping these poor people try and reach the UK and this is plain wrong.

PalazioVecchio south pole 25 Nov 21 11.50am
Originally posted by The Dolphin A rep from one of the charities said they were horrified to see the French authorities watch the boat leave! It is our problem as well though - it is a Europe wide issue which needs to be solved somewhow. Immigrants coming to our shores is nothing new and we should do our bit but this way of travel is lethal and at the same time these poor people (most of the time) are also paying a ton of money to unscrupulous criminal gangs in the first instance. It is all so sad but the French appear to be helping these poor people try and reach the UK and this is plain wrong. maybe the UK should send them all to a camp at Holyhead, Wales or Newry, N.I ? copy the French. Ireland is totally open to all and sundry. Totally cucked by EU law. Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Nov 2021 12.32pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 25 Nov 21 11.50am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

maybe the UK should send them all to a camp at Holyhead, Wales or Newry, N.I ? copy the French.

Ireland is totally open to all and sundry. Totally cucked by EU law.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Nov 2021 12.32pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Nov 21 12.47pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio maybe the UK should send them all to a camp at Holyhead, Wales or Newry, N.I ? copy the French. Ireland is totally open to all and sundry. Totally cucked by EU law. Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Nov 2021 12.32pm) The sudden demographic change is astonishing. In places, the direct provision centres hold more people than the local area has living in it already. Say anything and, obviously, you're racist. See the Roscommon one, not even funny. [Link] Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Nov 21 12.47pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

maybe the UK should send them all to a camp at Holyhead, Wales or Newry, N.I ? copy the French.

Ireland is totally open to all and sundry. Totally cucked by EU law.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Nov 2021 12.32pm)

The sudden demographic change is astonishing. In places, the direct provision centres hold more people than the local area has living in it already. Say anything and, obviously, you're racist. See the Roscommon one, not even funny. [Link]

Red and Blue Army!

radsyrendot From Coventry now in Leicester 25 Nov 21 1.37pm
Because they don't want to

radsyrendot

From Coventry now in Leicester 25 Nov 21 1.37pm

Because they don't want to

steeleye20 Croydon 25 Nov 21 2.26pm
France sees this as an entirely UK problem, which they have been saddled with on their shores, and they have had all the costs until recently. France already takes 4 times the number of refugees as we do, and the EU many more, but the EU does not take these people anymore due to brexit. It is not illegal as everybody is incorrectly stating, no legal challenge has been successful. The solution is simply to pick them up from France, we need them as we have lost too many valuable workers, and we have a basic human duty in respect of refugees by international convention. But the nub of this tragedy is the basic inhumanity of the UK asylum system.

steeleye20

Croydon 25 Nov 21 2.26pm

France sees this as an entirely UK problem, which they have been saddled with on their shores, and they have had all the costs until recently.

France already takes 4 times the number of refugees as we do, and the EU many more, but the EU does not take these people anymore due to brexit.

It is not illegal as everybody is incorrectly stating, no legal challenge has been successful.

The solution is simply to pick them up from France, we need them as we have lost too many valuable workers, and we have a basic human duty in respect of refugees by international convention.

But the nub of this tragedy is the basic inhumanity of the UK asylum system.

Orange1290 25 Nov 21 3.22pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Do you mean here or in France? Once they have arrived here we have a duty of care so I think it is fair enough. However we should be sending them back assuming they are economic migrants. In France they have allowed these makeshift camps to exist something that would not happen over here as the public would not stand for it. The reason these migrants want to come to the UK is the French treat them very badly. Nope, their second language is English, that's why they head for the UK. Meanwhile the French take in far more than the UK. In fact the UK is ranked 14th in Europe for the intake of these unfortunate people. "When compared with EU countries, the UK ranked 14th out of the individual countries in terms of the number of asylum applications per capita." [Link] Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

25 Nov 21 3.22pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Do you mean here or in France?

Once they have arrived here we have a duty of care so I think it is fair enough. However we should be sending them back assuming they are economic migrants.

Nope, their second language is English, that's why they head for the UK. Meanwhile the French take in far more than the UK. In fact the UK is ranked 14th in Europe for the intake of these unfortunate people.

"When compared with EU countries, the UK ranked 14th out of the individual countries in terms of the number of asylum applications per capita."

[Link]

Pro China, EU & Palestine

Spiderman Horsham 25 Nov 21 3.48pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 France sees this as an entirely UK problem, which they have been saddled with on their shores, and they have had all the costs until recently. France already takes 4 times the number of refugees as we do, and the EU many more, but the EU does not take these people anymore due to brexit. It is not illegal as everybody is incorrectly stating, no legal challenge has been successful. The solution is simply to pick them up from France, we need them as we have lost too many valuable workers, and we have a basic human duty in respect of refugees by international convention. But the nub of this tragedy is the basic inhumanity of the UK asylum system. This problem has been around longer than Brexit, I worked for a while at Sangatte processing applications, this was 2002! The French closed down Sangatte but failed to deal with those still there, they just moved further slong the coast. Before “ we pick them up from France” would it not be advisable to establish who they are?

Spiderman

Horsham 25 Nov 21 3.48pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

France sees this as an entirely UK problem, which they have been saddled with on their shores, and they have had all the costs until recently.

France already takes 4 times the number of refugees as we do, and the EU many more, but the EU does not take these people anymore due to brexit.

It is not illegal as everybody is incorrectly stating, no legal challenge has been successful.

The solution is simply to pick them up from France, we need them as we have lost too many valuable workers, and we have a basic human duty in respect of refugees by international convention.

But the nub of this tragedy is the basic inhumanity of the UK asylum system.

This problem has been around longer than Brexit, I worked for a while at Sangatte processing applications, this was 2002! The French closed down Sangatte but failed to deal with those still there, they just moved further slong the coast.
Before “ we pick them up from France” would it not be advisable to establish who they are?

Spiderman Horsham 25 Nov 21 3.49pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Nope, their second language is English, that's why they head for the UK. Meanwhile the French take in far more than the UK. In fact the UK is ranked 14th in Europe for the intake of these unfortunate people. "When compared with EU countries, the UK ranked 14th out of the individual countries in terms of the number of asylum applications per capita." [Link] As a matter of interest, how do you know their second language is English? Surely that would depend on the nationalities we are talking about. I think you would be very surprised as to the nationalities of some who arrive. Before you put me down, my wife travels to the South Coast most shifts to assist with the processing of arrivals so I do know quite a bit about this, not just what I gleen from media outlets Edited by Spiderman (25 Nov 2021 3.52pm) Edited by Spiderman (25 Nov 2021 3.52pm)

Spiderman

Horsham 25 Nov 21 3.49pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

"When compared with EU countries, the UK ranked 14th out of the individual countries in terms of the number of asylum applications per capita."

[Link]

As a matter of interest, how do you know their second language is English? Surely that would depend on the nationalities we are talking about. I think you would be very surprised as to the nationalities of some who arrive. Before you put me down, my wife travels to the South Coast most shifts to assist with the processing of arrivals so I do know quite a bit about this, not just what I gleen from media outlets

Edited by Spiderman (25 Nov 2021 3.52pm)

Spiderman Horsham 25 Nov 21 3.57pm
Whilst the Channel Crossing migrants are mentioned daily on the news, thankfully not only when disaster strikes, asylum seekers are still arriving daily at airports. Gatwick are receiving, on average, 20-30 Hondurans daily claiming asylum. They travel via Madrid, surely as Spanish speakers this would be the obvious choice of destination? None speak English and have all had their travel arranged through “agents” ( smugglers/ organised crime rings)

Spiderman

Horsham 25 Nov 21 3.57pm

Whilst the Channel Crossing migrants are mentioned daily on the news, thankfully not only when disaster strikes, asylum seekers are still arriving daily at airports. Gatwick are receiving, on average, 20-30 Hondurans daily claiming asylum. They travel via Madrid, surely as Spanish speakers this would be the obvious choice of destination? None speak English and have all had their travel arranged through “agents” ( smugglers/ organised crime rings)

chris123 hove actually 25 Nov 21 4.01pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin A rep from one of the charities said they were horrified to see the French authorities watch the boat leave! It is our problem as well though - it is a Europe wide issue which needs to be solved somewhow. Immigrants coming to our shores is nothing new and we should do our bit but this way of travel is lethal and at the same time these poor people (most of the time) are also paying a ton of money to unscrupulous criminal gangs in the first instance. It is all so sad but the French appear to be helping these poor people try and reach the UK and this is plain wrong. Reuters filmed French police watching a dingy with 40 onboard, including children, yesterday just outside Calais. So not sure what help the police needed, but the evidence they're doing little as it's continuing today.

chris123

hove actually 25 Nov 21 4.01pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Reuters filmed French police watching a dingy with 40 onboard, including children, yesterday just outside Calais. So not sure what help the police needed, but the evidence they're doing little as it's continuing today.

steeleye20 Croydon 25 Nov 21 4.11pm
All the UK has to do, to stop this, is simply go and pick them up.

steeleye20

Croydon 25 Nov 21 4.11pm

All the UK has to do, to stop this, is simply go and pick them up.

Orange1290 25 Nov 21 4.37pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 All the UK has to do, to stop this, is simply go and pick them up. Correct and the fact that France takes in and settles far, far more than the UK makes it even more of a no brainer in moral terms. Unfortunately the brexit mantra of chest beating and attempting to give the UK a 'bully boy' image by the current 'government' has caused the death of women, children and even very sadly a pregnant woman. Utterly shameful and in full view of the rest of the world. Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

25 Nov 21 4.37pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

All the UK has to do, to stop this, is simply go and pick them up.

Correct and the fact that France takes in and settles far, far more than the UK makes it even more of a no brainer in moral terms. Unfortunately the brexit mantra of chest beating and attempting to give the UK a 'bully boy' image by the current 'government' has caused the death of women, children and even very sadly a pregnant woman. Utterly shameful and in full view of the rest of the world.

Pro China, EU & Palestine

Spiderman Horsham 25 Nov 21 4.45pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 All the UK has to do, to stop this, is simply go and pick them up. Without knowing who they are? Or does that not matter? I said before, we basically did what you are suggesting when Sangatte was closing ( we gave the French financial assistance then, by the way). The French failed to process properly those who remained so they just moved further along the coast. So this is a never ending cycle, which, whether people like it or not, the French have to take some of the blame/responsibility.

Spiderman

Horsham 25 Nov 21 4.45pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

All the UK has to do, to stop this, is simply go and pick them up.

Without knowing who they are? Or does that not matter? I said before, we basically did what you are suggesting when Sangatte was closing ( we gave the French financial assistance then, by the way). The French failed to process properly those who remained so they just moved further along the coast.
So this is a never ending cycle, which, whether people like it or not, the French have to take some of the blame/responsibility.

Hrolf The Ganger 25 Nov 21 4.49pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Correct and the fact that France takes in and settles far, far more than the UK makes it even more of a no brainer in moral terms. Unfortunately the brexit mantra of chest beating and attempting to give the UK a 'bully boy' image by the current 'government' has caused the death of women, children and even very sadly a pregnant woman. Utterly shameful and in full view of the rest of the world. What a lot of crap. The only people who have caused the deaths are those that foolishly choose dangerous voyages to Britain and the scum that facilitate them. What is shameful is your use of human tragedy to push your anti British agenda.

Hrolf The Ganger

25 Nov 21 4.49pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

What a lot of crap.

The only people who have caused the deaths are those that foolishly choose dangerous voyages to Britain and the scum that facilitate them.

What is shameful is your use of human tragedy to push your anti British agenda.

steeleye20 Croydon 25 Nov 21 5.11pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Without knowing who they are? Or does that not matter? I said before, we basically did what you are suggesting when Sangatte was closing ( we gave the French financial assistance then, by the way). The French failed to process properly those who remained so they just moved further along the coast. So this is a never ending cycle, which, whether people like it or not, the French have to take some of the blame/responsibility. Yes they do have to share some of the blame and responsibility, but its not feasible to cover 100's of miles of coastline with police and patrols, as we have seen disastrously yesterday. Man's inhumanity unfortunately always falls on those least able to defend themselves, we walk on by and do nothing.

steeleye20

Croydon 25 Nov 21 5.11pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Yes they do have to share some of the blame and responsibility, but its not feasible to cover 100's of miles of coastline with police and patrols, as we have seen disastrously yesterday.

Man's inhumanity unfortunately always falls on those least able to defend themselves, we walk on by and do nothing.

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