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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 14 Sep 21 11.31pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

Surely just turning up is what everyone does. Although I am not sure that PalazioVecchio has full turned up to life yet. His posts are so musical geeza that I am inclined to believe he is a Peterhouse don running a sociology study.

I am decided by the idea that I am a sleeper. I just took a look and I was surprised to see that I first logged on the HoL 17 years ago, how time flies. Having settled in with a reassuringly on message post about Andy Johnsonís ability to find space inside the box I then lay in wait, a liberal cicada, looking for the optimum moment to post.

I think that although you claim that you like to be challenged the reality is that you fear it. There is a great deal of, Ďitís my ball and if I can't win then no one can play', going on here. Perhaps you and Stirlingsays feel that itís your right to dominate these posts?

An accusation that I am condescending is your latest complaint. I have to admit that sometimes the debate gets a little wearisome and there is an intimation to sarcasm. Beyond that, I see no point in going. Once you get rude whatís the point?

Perhaps you are wondering why I am here? In general, I look at the HoL to check on football stuff about once couple of days. I rarely post anything and almost never before have I looked at the politics threads. I was sure it would be feeble nonsense, and how right I was, (not condescending - just honest).

When I started looking at this thread, however, I was shocked at the level of misinformation and felt moved to contribute. The whole set-up is rather attractive because the fallacies of your arguments are so obvious itís very easy to expose them.

You claim not to be a bully but itís pretty clear that you are and Stirlingsays is too. You seek to dominate with your bombastic, bumptious preening but it just looks to be self-gratifying.

Personally, I am oblivious to it and at the same time fascinated by it. What made you like that? Poor parenting, poor education, the lack of or too much of something?

Have you tried therapy?

Out of interest do you have family in Cornwall?

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Sep 21 11.34pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

If there was a role reversal, would you want the British government spending money and resources to resolve a French problem?

It is a French problem as well. Solving their problem also solves ours. In fact the French are under even more pressure....but France is very much in flux at the moment, new elections may herald new outcomes...or not.

Originally posted by jeeagles

Not sure Human Rights rules changes would get to what you want either. Using investigate Human Rights laws to deport people would be a lengthy, expensive legal process with no guarantee of knowing what the outcome will be. Changing the fundermental laws would be even more difficult... you'd be looking at decades before anything is done, if anything happens at all.

That's why I said it was unrealistic.

However, it's possible if the will was there and if I were in charge it's probably the most effective route. I don't agree that it would take years, because it would go hand in hand with a root and branch reform of the legal profession...as well as several others.


Originally posted by jeeagles

Picking up people at sea is very difficult. I could go on about why it is for a while, but I hope you've agreed and accepted that.

One would expect that once these people land, they are put in a minibus/vans and carted off somewhere. ANPR cameras, other technology, and big data analysis could do the work of hundreds of policemen in a short amount of time and flag up suspect vehicles. However, even at break neck speed, this would take a couple of years to set up, so there is some catch up to do.

It takes 30 police officers to arrest a van full of illegal immigrants. It takes two to knock on the door of the van owners house and impound the van.

In terms of what are realistic ways to proceed given the rules as they exist......it kind of doesn't matter. What you are saying might be more effective at catching them once they have landed here but ultimately it makes no difference because they are staying.

Nothing effective can be done under the current system.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2021 11.55pm)

 


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View kuge's Profile kuge Flag Peckham 15 Sep 21 12.31am Send a Private Message to kuge Add kuge as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Out of interest do you have family in Cornwall?

None that I know of, why do you ask?

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Sep 21 7.35am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

The questions are in there
They've got a question mark after them.

Question marks look like this

?

You learn about Questions marks in primary school. I gather your education might have ended before that point, so I am puzzled how you speak so confidently about such a complicated area of biology.

How do these genes you speak so highly about work? How are these immigrants with the inferior genes able to be so much more successful that you?

Come on Hrolf, stop trying to kid yourself. It's obvious to everyone that you are trying to use bad science from the 1930's to falsely prove a contrived point.

It's obvious to everyone just what you are.


You don't really expect me to respond to this garbage, do you?
When you say something that displays a modicum of intelligence, I will answer it.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Sep 21 7.38am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

Surely just turning up is what everyone does. Although I am not sure that PalazioVecchio has full turned up to life yet. His posts are so musical geeza that I am inclined to believe he is a Peterhouse don running a sociology study.

I am decided by the idea that I am a sleeper. I just took a look and I was surprised to see that I first logged on the HoL 17 years ago, how time flies. Having settled in with a reassuringly on message post about Andy Johnsonís ability to find space inside the box I then lay in wait, a liberal cicada, looking for the optimum moment to post.

I think that although you claim that you like to be challenged the reality is that you fear it. There is a great deal of, Ďitís my ball and if I can't win then no one can play', going on here. Perhaps you and Stirlingsays feel that itís your right to dominate these posts?

An accusation that I am condescending is your latest complaint. I have to admit that sometimes the debate gets a little wearisome and there is an intimation to sarcasm. Beyond that, I see no point in going. Once you get rude whatís the point?

Perhaps you are wondering why I am here? In general, I look at the HoL to check on football stuff about once couple of days. I rarely post anything and almost never before have I looked at the politics threads. I was sure it would be feeble nonsense, and how right I was, (not condescending - just honest).

When I started looking at this thread, however, I was shocked at the level of misinformation and felt moved to contribute. The whole set-up is rather attractive because the fallacies of your arguments are so obvious itís very easy to expose them.

You claim not to be a bully but itís pretty clear that you are and Stirlingsays is too. You seek to dominate with your bombastic, bumptious preening but it just looks to be self-gratifying.

Personally, I am oblivious to it and at the same time fascinated by it. What made you like that? Poor parenting, poor education, the lack of or too much of something?

Have you tried therapy?

What is it with you?

You seem to be under the impression that I take you seriously.
Talk about the subject or don't waste your time.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Sep 2021 7.39am)

 

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View kuge's Profile kuge Flag Peckham 15 Sep 21 8.37am Send a Private Message to kuge Add kuge as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What is it with you?

You seem to be under the impression that I take you seriously.
Talk about the subject or don't waste your time.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Sep 2021 7.39am)

Good morning.

I know that you don't take me seriously and that inability that you have to deal with counterarguments based on evidence damages you.

I imagine that it's a defence that you have constructed around yourself to protect your fragile thinking. This is natural and predictable.

I never waste my time, essentially it is all we have. The utilisation of every minute allowed to you will be consequential to the quality of your life.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 15 Sep 21 8.47am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

Good morning.

I know that you don't take me seriously and that inability that you have to deal with counterarguments based on evidence damages you.

I imagine that it's a defence that you have constructed around yourself to protect your fragile thinking. This is natural and predictable.

I never waste my time, essentially it is all we have. The utilisation of every minute allowed to you will be consequential to the quality of your life.

you are looking like a Paid Troll to me. Intent on boring us all off this thread.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Sep 21 8.47am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

Good morning.

I know that you don't take me seriously and that inability that you have to deal with counterarguments based on evidence damages you.

I imagine that it's a defence that you have constructed around yourself to protect your fragile thinking. This is natural and predictable.

I never waste my time, essentially it is all we have. The utilisation of every minute allowed to you will be consequential to the quality of your life.

Another internet loon who thinks he's Freud.

Please don't disrupt this thread any further.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Sep 21 8.49am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

you are looking like a Paid Troll to me. Intent on boring us all off this thread.

He will fail.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 15 Sep 21 8.58am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

He will fail.

if you read his last 20 or 30 postings....its all just obstructive bickering about detail & sources. With nothing substantive to add to the argument.

 


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View kuge's Profile kuge Flag Peckham 15 Sep 21 9.14am Send a Private Message to kuge Add kuge as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

you are looking like a Paid Troll to me. Intent on boring us all off this thread.

Good morning

Gosh, I wish I could get paid to do this.

 

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View kuge's Profile kuge Flag Peckham 15 Sep 21 9.16am Send a Private Message to kuge Add kuge as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

if you read his last 20 or 30 postings....its all just obstructive bickering about detail & sources. With nothing substantive to add to the argument.

Whereas your posts a packed with insight ideas and data

I don't believe for a moment that you have read even a tiny percentage of what I have posted.

 

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