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steeleye20 Croydon 25 Jan 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Thing is there's no arguments in complaints about Sturgeon other than Krankie or poisoned dwarf. Same with Dianne Abbott (big fat black woman) Corbyn Geograpyteacher etc etc. No substance just bile. Poor debating tactic that ensures the poster has no credibility. Quite right mindless abuse in place of argument.

steeleye20

Croydon 25 Jan 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Thing is there's no arguments in complaints about Sturgeon other than Krankie or poisoned dwarf. Same with Dianne Abbott (big fat black woman) Corbyn Geograpyteacher etc etc. No substance just bile. Poor debating tactic that ensures the poster has no credibility.

Quite right mindless abuse in place of argument.

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 3.53pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Thing is there's no arguments in complaints about Sturgeon other than Krankie or poisoned dwarf. Same with Dianne Abbott (big fat black woman) Corbyn Geograpyteacher etc etc. No substance just bile. Poor debating tactic that ensures the poster has no credibility. And the venom frequently much more personal against women that it is men. God knows there are plenty of reasons to criticize Abbott - the hypocrisy of sending her keds to a private school for starters without the need for personal abuse. As for Sturgeon; I am not sure whether it is just because she is clearly very good at what she does - and this has got nothing to do with whether you agree with her or not - or whether it is powerlessness at the fact that the SNP appear to get more of a say at Westminster than London does in Holyrood but I cant help but laugh at the weakness of the Krankie style comments Cant be a hypocrit myself, I have used the Corbyn comment - though it would have been sociology lecturer because he reminds me so much of a character in a novel by Malcolm Bradbury

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 3.53pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

And the venom frequently much more personal against women that it is men. God knows there are plenty of reasons to criticize Abbott - the hypocrisy of sending her keds to a private school for starters without the need for personal abuse.

As for Sturgeon; I am not sure whether it is just because she is clearly very good at what she does - and this has got nothing to do with whether you agree with her or not - or whether it is powerlessness at the fact that the SNP appear to get more of a say at Westminster than London does in Holyrood but I cant help but laugh at the weakness of the Krankie style comments

Cant be a hypocrit myself, I have used the Corbyn comment - though it would have been sociology lecturer because he reminds me so much of a character in a novel by Malcolm Bradbury

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.01pm
Originally posted by elgrande Where shall we start nick,little Jimmy krankie will not win a second vote on the referendum ( and she knows it). If they had independence after we left Europe they would be up s*e creek without a paddle. There oil is running out,she is doing it to justify her position. And that brings us to the wonderful Dianne Abbot,well apart from her racist views (which she seems to get away with wonder why). Then there is the Sheer hypocrisy of the private school fiasco...don't do as I do ..do as I say,the very epitome of the champagne socialist. What has calling someone Jimmy Krankie got to do with the substance of any discussion about Scottish independence? Apart from getting a lazy giggle from it? You say that the Scottish economy is up s* creek without a paddle if it left - after 250 year in the UK? That seems to be a reason for leaving not staying. The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result Happy to comment on any actual examples of Abbot's racism. I dont think anyone is complaining about criticism of actual policies it is when it gets into her being black ugly and or dumpy that you cross the line

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.01pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Where shall we start nick,little Jimmy krankie will not win a second vote on the referendum ( and she knows it).
If they had independence after we left Europe they would be up s***e creek without a paddle.
There oil is running out,she is doing it to justify her position.
And that brings us to the wonderful Dianne Abbot,well apart from her racist views (which she seems to get away with wonder why).
Then there is the Sheer hypocrisy of the private school fiasco...don't do as I do ..do as I say,the very epitome of the champagne socialist.

What has calling someone Jimmy Krankie got to do with the substance of any discussion about Scottish independence? Apart from getting a lazy giggle from it?

You say that the Scottish economy is up s*** creek without a paddle if it left - after 250 year in the UK? That seems to be a reason for leaving not staying. The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result

Happy to comment on any actual examples of Abbot's racism. I dont think anyone is complaining about criticism of actual policies it is when it gets into her being black ugly and or dumpy that you cross the line

elgrande bedford 25 Jan 17 4.04pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe What has calling someone Jimmy Krankie got to do with the substance of any discussion about Scottish independence? Apart from getting a lazy giggle from it? You say that the Scottish economy is up s*** creek without a paddle if it left - after 250 year in the UK? That seems to be a reason for leaving not staying. The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result Happy to comment on any actual examples of Abbot's racism. I dont think anyone is complaining about criticism of actual policies it is when it gets into her being black ugly and or dumpy that you cross the line Never mentioned colour or size,unlike abbot. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 25 Jan 17 4.04pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

What has calling someone Jimmy Krankie got to do with the substance of any discussion about Scottish independence? Apart from getting a lazy giggle from it?

Never mentioned colour or size,unlike abbot.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Jan 17 4.04pm
When are we going to bring back pounds, shillings and pence - and those lovely threepenny bits. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 25 Jan 17 4.04pm

When are we going to bring back pounds, shillings and pence - and those lovely threepenny bits.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.10pm
Originally posted by elgrande Never mentioned colour or size,unlike abbot. I didn't say that you personally did (with regard to Abbott at least) let me rephrase that as "one crosses a line"

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.10pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Never mentioned colour or size,unlike abbot.

I didn't say that you personally did (with regard to Abbott at least) let me rephrase that as "one crosses a line"

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.12pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 When are we going to bring back pounds, shillings and pence - and those lovely threepenny bits. Given some seem to wish to some ancient golden past perhaps it should be groats

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

When are we going to bring back pounds, shillings and pence - and those lovely threepenny bits.

Given some seem to wish to some ancient golden past perhaps it should be groats

elgrande bedford 25 Jan 17 4.14pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Given some seem to wish to some ancient golden past perhaps it should be groats Ha ha...can you imagine going into the pub "pint of Guinness please,certainly that will be 10 groats please" always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 25 Jan 17 4.14pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Given some seem to wish to some ancient golden past perhaps it should be groats

Ha ha...can you imagine going into the pub "pint of Guinness please,certainly that will be 10 groats please"

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

steeleye20 Croydon 25 Jan 17 4.22pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe What has calling someone Jimmy Krankie got to do with the substance of any discussion about Scottish independence? Apart from getting a lazy giggle from it? You say that the Scottish economy is up s*** creek without a paddle if it left - after 250 year in the UK? That seems to be a reason for leaving not staying. The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result Happy to comment on any actual examples of Abbot's racism. I dont think anyone is complaining about criticism of actual policies it is when it gets into her being black ugly and or dumpy that you cross the line I think the court decision yesterday that the UK does not have to consult Scotland over brexit means a 2nd referendum is going to happen.

steeleye20

Croydon 25 Jan 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

What has calling someone Jimmy Krankie got to do with the substance of any discussion about Scottish independence? Apart from getting a lazy giggle from it?

I think the court decision yesterday that the UK does not have to consult Scotland over brexit means a 2nd referendum is going to happen.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 17 4.30pm
Originally posted by elgrande Where shall we start nick,little Jimmy krankie will not win a second vote on the referendum ( and she knows it). 1. If they had independence after we left Europe they would be up se creek without a paddle.* There oil is running out,she is doing it to justify her position. And that brings us to the wonderful Dianne Abbot,2. well apart from her racist views (which she seems to get away with wonder why). Then there is the Sheer hypocrisy of the private school fiasco...don't do as I do ..do as I say,the very epitome of the champagne socialist. 1. How do you back up this assertion? 2. Other than 1 tweet taken out of context that I've seen, do you have any examples of her racism? 3. The school thing. Difficult situation to be in - if she can afford to send her son to the school he wants to go to, why not. You are a parent, what would you do? Doesn't mean she doesn't want to aim for a fully comprehensive system.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Jan 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Where shall we start nick,little Jimmy krankie will not win a second vote on the referendum ( and she knows it).
1. If they had independence after we left Europe they would be up s***e creek without a paddle.
There oil is running out,she is doing it to justify her position.
And that brings us to the wonderful Dianne Abbot,2. well apart from her racist views (which she seems to get away with wonder why).
Then there is the Sheer hypocrisy of the private school fiasco...don't do as I do ..do as I say,the very epitome of the champagne socialist.

1. How do you back up this assertion?
2. Other than 1 tweet taken out of context that I've seen, do you have any examples of her racism?
3. The school thing. Difficult situation to be in - if she can afford to send her son to the school he wants to go to, why not. You are a parent, what would you do? Doesn't mean she doesn't want to aim for a fully comprehensive system.

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.31pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I think the court decision yesterday that the UK does not have to consult Scotland over brexit means a 2nd referendum is going to happen. Certainly more likely to happen. A second referendum is justifiable in my view because there has been a significant change since the last one in that the UK is leaving the EU. There wont be a third for a generation so Sturgeon will be calculating whether she thinks she will win (and whether they might win a further term in Hollyrood which would enable them to delay it for a while.

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.31pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think the court decision yesterday that the UK does not have to consult Scotland over brexit means a 2nd referendum is going to happen.

Certainly more likely to happen. A second referendum is justifiable in my view because there has been a significant change since the last one in that the UK is leaving the EU. There wont be a third for a generation so Sturgeon will be calculating whether she thinks she will win (and whether they might win a further term in Hollyrood which would enable them to delay it for a while.

chris123 hove actually 25 Jan 17 4.35pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Thing is there's no arguments in complaints about Sturgeon other than Krankie or poisoned dwarf. Same with Dianne Abbott (big fat black woman) Corbyn Geograpyteacher etc etc. No substance just bile. Poor debating tactic that ensures the poster has no credibility. And what were you calling Theresa May the other day?

chris123

hove actually 25 Jan 17 4.35pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

And what were you calling Theresa May the other day?

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.36pm
Originally posted by nickgusset 1. How do you back up this assertion? 2. Other than 1 tweet taken out of context that I've seen, do you have any examples of her racism? 3. The school thing. Difficult situation to be in - if she can afford to send her son to the school he wants to go to, why not. You are a parent, what would you do? Doesn't mean she doesn't want to aim for a fully comprehensive system. I disagree with you on 3. Given her views and her position in the Labour Party to say she gets a free pass because she can afford "better" is ridiculous. I have rather more respect for Corbyn who stuck to his principles even at the cost of his relationship splitting up. There are no circumstances where I would send my children to fee-paying schools. I despise them. What I might do is move house to a place where there are better (state) schools.

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.36pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I disagree with you on 3. Given her views and her position in the Labour Party to say she gets a free pass because she can afford "better" is ridiculous.

I have rather more respect for Corbyn who stuck to his principles even at the cost of his relationship splitting up.

There are no circumstances where I would send my children to fee-paying schools. I despise them. What I might do is move house to a place where there are better (state) schools.

Part Time James 25 Jan 17 4.38pm
Just to check, if we want to slag off Sturgeon, Abbott or Corbyn we need to provide substance, but if we want to slag off Farage, Trump or May we're exempt? Just so I can get some context.

Part Time James

25 Jan 17 4.38pm

Just to check, if we want to slag off Sturgeon, Abbott or Corbyn we need to provide substance, but if we want to slag off Farage, Trump or May we're exempt? Just so I can get some context.

steeleye20 Croydon 25 Jan 17 4.40pm
Originally posted by Part Time James Just to check, if we want to slag off Sturgeon, Abbott or Corbyn we need to provide substance, but if we want to slag off Farage, Trump or May we're exempt? Just so I can get some context. How about not slagging off anybody at all.

steeleye20

Croydon 25 Jan 17 4.40pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Just to check, if we want to slag off Sturgeon, Abbott or Corbyn we need to provide substance, but if we want to slag off Farage, Trump or May we're exempt? Just so I can get some context.

How about not slagging off anybody at all.

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.41pm
Originally posted by Part Time James Just to check, if we want to slag off Sturgeon, Abbott or Corbyn we need to provide substance, but if we want to slag off Farage, Trump or May we're exempt? Just so I can get some context. Lets shoot for substance for everyone

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.41pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Just to check, if we want to slag off Sturgeon, Abbott or Corbyn we need to provide substance, but if we want to slag off Farage, Trump or May we're exempt? Just so I can get some context.

Lets shoot for substance for everyone

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.42pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 How about not slagging off anybody at all. Exception for Clattenburg

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 25 Jan 17 4.42pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

How about not slagging off anybody at all.

Exception for Clattenburg

Part Time James 25 Jan 17 4.49pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Lets shoot for substance for everyone We'd only be on page 5 of this debate then though!

Part Time James

25 Jan 17 4.49pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Lets shoot for substance for everyone

We'd only be on page 5 of this debate then though!

Part Time James 25 Jan 17 4.49pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 How about not slagging off anybody at all. I agree. What we need is a great big melting pot.

Part Time James

25 Jan 17 4.49pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

How about not slagging off anybody at all.

I agree. What we need is a great big melting pot.

hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Jan 17 4.52pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe I disagree with you on 3. Given her views and her position in the Labour Party to say she gets a free pass because she can afford "better" is ridiculous. I have rather more respect for Corbyn who stuck to his principles even at the cost of his relationship splitting up. There are no circumstances where I would send my children to fee-paying schools. I despise them. What I might do is move house to a place where there are better (state) schools. You mean like he did when he pretended he was a Remainer? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 25 Jan 17 4.52pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

I disagree with you on 3. Given her views and her position in the Labour Party to say she gets a free pass because she can afford "better" is ridiculous.

I have rather more respect for Corbyn who stuck to his principles even at the cost of his relationship splitting up.

There are no circumstances where I would send my children to fee-paying schools. I despise them. What I might do is move house to a place where there are better (state) schools.

You mean like he did when he pretended he was a Remainer?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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