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 Spiderman  Horsham 18 Apr 21 1.49pm |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
No agenda at all, just experience of reality. I've experienced the utter disdain and disinterest when arriving at Heathrow, lots of staff behind the kiosks chatting away while only a handful of kiosks open and massive queues. So you were employed in this job. Well that makes you at total conflict of interest to reply, clearly defending the indefensible. There are hardly any flights coming into Heathrow compared to normal years and yet still the same "can't be bothered" attitude by the staff, who are getting paid and more than likely getting overtime, benefits etc. Meanwhile, those arriving have paid for the privilege after hours on a flight and should be treated as customers as they are paying the salaries of the border staff, instead are treated like objects getting in the way of the staff. Arrogance beyond belief, nothing changes. Edited by Orange1290 (18 Apr 2021 9.50am) You are talking utter b***ocks. BF staff do not get paid overtime...fact. Who pays them? Ah the taxpayer, BF staff pay taxes so actually you could say pay their own salary. Do you pay U.K. tax? Possibly not, so you don’t actually contribute towards their salary. Conflict of interest... possibly but I actually know what I am talking about and get sick and tired of people like you who think they know everything, who complain without knowing the full facts. Do you know anything about flight scheduling? ps try using the egates, if you are eligible you won’t have to interact with anyone ( maybe a good thing, given your attitude). Have you also considered that BF have to comply with social distancing rules? Better still try not travelling during a pandemic
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 18 Apr 21 3.31pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A minor victory in the shellfish dispute. Most of the problems with exporting are down to the EU playing games. Hopefully they will realise that this damages them as much as us silly to get into a trade war when these issues are easily resolved. Meanwhile expats in the EU are finding life being made very difficult for them. Imagine the outcry in this country if we had done the same to their expats. Edited by Badger11 (18 Apr 2021 9.24am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Apr 21 3.23pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
You are talking utter b***ocks. BF staff do not get paid overtime...fact. Who pays them? Ah the taxpayer, BF staff pay taxes so actually you could say pay their own salary. Do you pay U.K. tax? Possibly not, so you don’t actually contribute towards their salary. Conflict of interest... possibly but I actually know what I am talking about and get sick and tired of people like you who think they know everything, who complain without knowing the full facts. Do you know anything about flight scheduling? ps try using the egates, if you are eligible you won’t have to interact with anyone ( maybe a good thing, given your attitude). Have you also considered that BF have to comply with social distancing rules? Better still try not travelling during a pandemic
To back your your comments about airlines Edited by Badger11 (19 Apr 2021 3.23pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 19 Apr 21 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
To back your your comments about airlines Edited by Badger11 (19 Apr 2021 3.23pm) As I have previously said, airport authorities and airlines have ridiculous scheduling to cram in as many flights as possible. There get out clause (when chaos ensues) is to blame BF.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 23 Apr 21 10.56am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Ever tried the Metro B? More than 440 financial firms have shifted thousands of jobs and £1 trillion of assets out of the UK and into the EU because of Brexit, with more pain still to come. Still maybe, but I actually doubt it, the EU will buy more of our crustaceans.......... I never experienced as a foreign worker in Germany, any such 'difficulties' at all, quite the reverse. You simply have to obey the law as you would anywhere. The UK wanted it that way, and that's what it got.
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cryrst  The garden of England 23 Apr 21 11.44am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
I think that's 2-1 then
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 23 Apr 21 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A minor victory in the shellfish dispute. Most of the problems with exporting are down to the EU playing games. Hopefully they will realise that this damages them as much as us silly to get into a trade war when these issues are easily resolved. Meanwhile expats in the EU are finding life being made very difficult for them. Imagine the outcry in this country if we had done the same to their expats. Edited by Badger11 (18 Apr 2021 9.24am) not true, I am an expat and no such thing is happening, unless they are flying under the radar ie re tax Edited by the silurian (23 Apr 2021 11.55am)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 28 Apr 21 4.57pm |
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Brexit strikes 'and once again a heart is broke'. Arlene bites the dust, her country voted against brexit, now they see how they were just a sacrificial pawn.
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| Spiderman Horsham 28 Apr 21 6.02pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brexit strikes 'and once again a heart is broke'. Arlene bites the dust, her country voted against brexit, now they see how they were just a sacrificial pawn.
Give it a rest
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Apr 21 6.25pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
not true, I am an expat and no such thing is happening, unless they are flying under the radar ie re tax Well it varies by country but you may have a point. According to this lots of Brits have not taken out residency as they are still claiming benefits from the UK. If true I have no sympathy.
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| Matov 29 Apr 21 7.27pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Interesting article about the hospitality sector. Lots of complaints from employers about lack of EU staff. Anyway EU staff numbers down and UK numbers up, good. The Mail is negative but I think this is a good thing. Once we are out of lock down and government support ends people will need jobs so I guess this is one area for them to look to. I suspect the UK will, within 24 months, open up the UK jobs market to EU citizens. Freedom of movement was actually a big success for the UK as a whole with EU citizens creating a tax surplus. It is non-EU migration that causes ALL of our social problems. You never read about Polish grooming gangs or hordes of Germans dominating the heroin trade and so on. Yes, something had to be done about freedom of movement but it was far more nuanced than many on the Right are willing to concede and in many ways, if you accept the notion that the UK by dint of its open economy, needs workers, we were far better off getting them from Europe than the Commonwealth.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Apr 21 8.54pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I suspect the UK will, within 24 months, open up the UK jobs market to EU citizens. Freedom of movement was actually a big success for the UK as a whole with EU citizens creating a tax surplus. It is non-EU migration that causes ALL of our social problems. You never read about Polish grooming gangs or hordes of Germans dominating the heroin trade and so on. Yes, something had to be done about freedom of movement but it was far more nuanced than many on the Right are willing to concede and in many ways, if you accept the notion that the UK by dint of its open economy, needs workers, we were far better off getting them from Europe than the Commonwealth. Economically we are still in a false position as we are not out of lock down fully and the government is still shaking the money tree and unemployment will probably still go up. In the next 3 months I think things will change. A new batch of school leavers will be in the market for jobs and people who are unemployed may decide to settle for a job that is not their first choice. We should only be recruiting unskilled staff from in or out of the EU once unemployment is down to low levels. I find it encouraging that the number of Brits in the hospitality sector is going up as it should do. The idea that British people can't or won't do those roles is nonsense.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 29 Apr 21 9.04pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I suspect the UK will, within 24 months, open up the UK jobs market to EU citizens. Freedom of movement was actually a big success for the UK as a whole with EU citizens creating a tax surplus. It is non-EU migration that causes ALL of our social problems. You never read about Polish grooming gangs or hordes of Germans dominating the heroin trade and so on. Yes, something had to be done about freedom of movement but it was far more nuanced than many on the Right are willing to concede and in many ways, if you accept the notion that the UK by dint of its open economy, needs workers, we were far better off getting them from Europe than the Commonwealth.
Edited by Tom-the-eagle (29 Apr 2021 9.05pm)
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| Matov 29 Apr 21 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Edited by Tom-the-eagle (29 Apr 2021 9.05pm) I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiments but the reality is that the UK has, even now, relatively low levels of unemployment. Covid is definitely a game changer but I suspect that within 24 months we will be back to normal and the economy booming. Meaning more people needed to work. It's a good problem for us to have. Freedom of movement did solve that and based on the treasury figures, then the average migrant from the EU was a net benefit to the UK as opposed to those from outside who are a net-drain. Along with the EU migrants being far less likely to be involved in serious crime. I appreciate that it's not a popular stance to take, especially for a right-wing lunatic like me, but if the UK needs migrants, which I believe it does, then better to get them from Poland than pakistan for a slew of reasons.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 29 Apr 21 9.43pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiments but the reality is that the UK has, even now, relatively low levels of unemployment. Covid is definitely a game changer but I suspect that within 24 months we will be back to normal and the economy booming. Meaning more people needed to work. It's a good problem for us to have. Freedom of movement did solve that and based on the treasury figures, then the average migrant from the EU was a net benefit to the UK as opposed to those from outside who are a net-drain. Along with the EU migrants being far less likely to be involved in serious crime. I appreciate that it's not a popular stance to take, especially for a right-wing lunatic like me, but if the UK needs migrants, which I believe it does, then better to get them from Poland than pakistan for a slew of reasons.
I agree that open door immigration probably was good for the economy, however it’s building an economy by adding people. If a country had 1 person it would have a tiny economy, if a country had 10 people it would have a bigger economy and if a country had 100 people it would be bigger still. Just because something is good for the economy does not necessarily make it good for society.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Apr 21 10.15pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
By the way, I think that the UK will be in the sh@te when it comes to the job market. Nothing to do with Brexit, but the effect Covid has had on how we work. I have friends who work at Canary Wharf who have not been to their office now for over a year. If big companies now realise that staff can be employed anywhere then they will soon stop paying high London wages and office rents. Expect to see many of these jobs outsourced, in the same way things like call centres were only these will be the big earners. Trust me, In the next ten years, London, the driving force of our economy, may be a different place. This is my take I think we have still not seen the fall out from COVID. As you say if Harry can do the job from home in Surrey why can't Hamed do it from Asia at half the cost. Anyway we are speculating but for now I would keep the brakes on unskilled migration we can always change our minds once it becomes clear what the fall out will be.
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| DanH SW2 29 Apr 21 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
This is my take I think we have still not seen the fall out from COVID. As you say if Harry can do the job from home in Surrey why can't Hamed do it from Asia at half the cost. Anyway we are speculating but for now I would keep the brakes on unskilled migration we can always change our minds once it becomes clear what the fall out will be. There’s a myriad of compliance reasons why loads of jobs can’t be easily outsourced like that - multiple legal, tax, data privacy and corporate governance headaches that don’t really make it worthwhile. It’s closely related to my area of expertise and we’re working with loads of employers who have compliance headaches from employees working or wanting to work outside the U.K.
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