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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 07 Mar 17 7.31pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 They've been around the block and spent decades in the business a fair few of them and with age comes wisdom. They don't have to adhere to party whips and are free to express. A wonderful part of our establishment. Perhaps we should appoint the commons then for the same reason? I think that is more a damning of the Commons than praise for their Lordships

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 07 Mar 17 7.31pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

They've been around the block and spent decades in the business a fair few of them and with age comes wisdom. They don't have to adhere to party whips and are free to express. A wonderful part of our establishment.

Perhaps we should appoint the commons then for the same reason?

I think that is more a damning of the Commons than praise for their Lordships

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 07 Mar 17 8.41pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Tbf the hardline but honest Brexiteers ( a very measly few) knew almighty lumps of poop would be going straight toward the fan on exit but thought the hit would be worth it if it meant keeping some pesky foreigners out, having the perception of 'freeeeedom', and being able to trade with Bhutan freely. So what if we have to pay £60billion on exit and so what if we are leaving the biggest economic trade block in the world and who cares if it takes a decade to get trade deals with countries like Canada sorted? And it was fine that UKIP and Boris and Michael and others used ideology and waffle to persuade the impressionable. Politics is fun again. Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really. I voted out, but not for that reason. More the fact that we would become a satellite state in the United States of Europe. With total rule by an unelected Federal government. At least the USA elect their houses of power. But even then, the USA has a box of frogs in power. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Stoke sub normal 07 Mar 17 8.41pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Tbf the hardline but honest Brexiteers ( a very measly few) knew almighty lumps of poop would be going straight toward the fan on exit but thought the hit would be worth it if it meant keeping some pesky foreigners out, having the perception of 'freeeeedom', and being able to trade with Bhutan freely.

So what if we have to pay £60billion on exit and so what if we are leaving the biggest economic trade block in the world and who cares if it takes a decade to get trade deals with countries like Canada sorted? And it was fine that UKIP and Boris and Michael and others used ideology and waffle to persuade the impressionable.

Politics is fun again.

Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really.

I voted out, but not for that reason. More the fact that we would become a satellite state in the United States of Europe. With total rule by an unelected Federal government. At least the USA elect their houses of power. But even then, the USA has a box of frogs in power.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

.TUX. 08 Mar 17 6.06am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Tbf the hardline but honest Brexiteers ( a very measly few) knew almighty lumps of poop would be going straight toward the fan on exit but thought the hit would be worth it if it meant keeping some pesky foreigners out, having the perception of 'freeeeedom', and being able to trade with Bhutan freely. So what if we have to pay £60billion on exit and so what if we are leaving the biggest economic trade block in the world and who cares if it takes a decade to get trade deals with countries like Canada sorted? And it was fine that UKIP and Boris and Michael and others used ideology and waffle to persuade the impressionable. Politics is fun again. Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really. You're just as ''impressionable'' as those you deride. You just can't see it. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

08 Mar 17 6.06am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Tbf the hardline but honest Brexiteers ( a very measly few) knew almighty lumps of poop would be going straight toward the fan on exit but thought the hit would be worth it if it meant keeping some pesky foreigners out, having the perception of 'freeeeedom', and being able to trade with Bhutan freely.

So what if we have to pay £60billion on exit and so what if we are leaving the biggest economic trade block in the world and who cares if it takes a decade to get trade deals with countries like Canada sorted? And it was fine that UKIP and Boris and Michael and others used ideology and waffle to persuade the impressionable.

Politics is fun again.

Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really.

You're just as ''impressionable'' as those you deride.
You just can't see it.

Buy Litecoin.

Kermit8 Hevon 08 Mar 17 8.14am
Originally posted by .TUX. You're just as ''impressionable'' as those you deride. You just can't see it. I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 08 Mar 17 8.14am

Originally posted by .TUX.

You're just as ''impressionable'' as those you deride.
You just can't see it.

I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Mar 17 8.21am
Originally posted by Kermit8 I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then? None of which have absolutely anything to do with being in the EU. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 08 Mar 17 8.21am

Originally posted by Kermit8

I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then?

None of which have absolutely anything to do with being in the EU.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

.TUX. 08 Mar 17 9.12am
Originally posted by Kermit8 I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then? Ok. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

08 Mar 17 9.12am

Originally posted by Kermit8

I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then?

Ok.

Buy Litecoin.

Part Time James 08 Mar 17 9.14am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Tbf the hardline but honest Brexiteers ( a very measly few) knew almighty lumps of poop would be going straight toward the fan on exit but thought the hit would be worth it if it meant keeping some pesky foreigners out, having the perception of 'freeeeedom', and being able to trade with Bhutan freely. So what if we have to pay £60billion on exit and so what if we are leaving the biggest economic trade block in the world and who cares if it takes a decade to get trade deals with countries like Canada sorted? And it was fine that UKIP and Boris and Michael and others used ideology and waffle to persuade the impressionable. Politics is fun again. Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really. A protest against what? The well balanced Utopia we were all nonchalantly bathing in?

Part Time James

08 Mar 17 9.14am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Politics is fun again.

Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really.

A protest against what? The well balanced Utopia we were all nonchalantly bathing in?

tome Inner Tantalus Time. 08 Mar 17 9.23am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Not really. More a way out of the easily corruptible United States of Europe before it inevitably happens. Well, that's no short-term likelihood. And I've yet to see a convincing argument that it's either likely or, should it happen, negative. What are you worried about here? A one and a two...

tome

Inner Tantalus Time. 08 Mar 17 9.23am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not really. More a way out of the easily corruptible United States of Europe before it inevitably happens.

Well, that's no short-term likelihood. And I've yet to see a convincing argument that it's either likely or, should it happen, negative. What are you worried about here?

A one and a two...

matt_himself Matataland 08 Mar 17 9.25am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Tbf the hardline but honest Brexiteers ( a very measly few) knew almighty lumps of poop would be going straight toward the fan on exit but thought the hit would be worth it if it meant keeping some pesky foreigners out, having the perception of 'freeeeedom', and being able to trade with Bhutan freely. So what if we have to pay £60billion on exit and so what if we are leaving the biggest economic trade block in the world and who cares if it takes a decade to get trade deals with countries like Canada sorted? And it was fine that UKIP and Boris and Michael and others used ideology and waffle to persuade the impressionable. Politics is fun again. Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really. It's odd that you take his view on Brexit yet support Scottish Independence (well, probably like 'Indyref2' posts on Facebook). One cannot help but think that your thinking is not consistent. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 08 Mar 17 9.25am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Politics is fun again.

Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really.

It's odd that you take his view on Brexit yet support Scottish Independence (well, probably like 'Indyref2' posts on Facebook).

One cannot help but think that your thinking is not consistent.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

tome Inner Tantalus Time. 08 Mar 17 9.25am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 None of which have absolutely anything to do with being in the EU. So you think that the difference between Europe in the first half of the last century and the second is a complete coincidence? Frankly, the fact that there has been largely peace because of the EU is one of the main reasons that I thought we'd be better off in. A one and a two...

tome

Inner Tantalus Time. 08 Mar 17 9.25am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

None of which have absolutely anything to do with being in the EU.

So you think that the difference between Europe in the first half of the last century and the second is a complete coincidence? Frankly, the fact that there has been largely peace because of the EU is one of the main reasons that I thought we'd be better off in.

A one and a two...

Penge Eagle Beckenham 08 Mar 17 9.46am
Originally posted by tome So you think that the difference between Europe in the first half of the last century and the second is a complete coincidence? Frankly, the fact that there has been largely peace because of the EU is one of the main reasons that I thought we'd be better off in. Two questions... So UK leaving the EU will end peace in Europe? Having open borders with unvetted immigration from countries like Syria into the EU will make Europe safer?

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 08 Mar 17 9.46am

Originally posted by tome

Two questions...

So UK leaving the EU will end peace in Europe?

Having open borders with unvetted immigration from countries like Syria into the EU will make Europe safer?

hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Mar 17 10.00am
Originally posted by tome So you think that the difference between Europe in the first half of the last century and the second is a complete coincidence? Frankly, the fact that there has been largely peace because of the EU is one of the main reasons that I thought we'd be better off in. Not coincidence at all. Due to NATO and the nuclear deterrent and particularly the USA guaranteeing to fight for us if the USSR invaded. All of which the left has sought to weaken since World War II. EU has had nothing to do with the relative peace in Europe - mind you they did nothing at all about the Balkan wars did they. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 08 Mar 17 10.00am

Originally posted by tome

Not coincidence at all. Due to NATO and the nuclear deterrent and particularly the USA guaranteeing to fight for us if the USSR invaded. All of which the left has sought to weaken since World War II. EU has had nothing to do with the relative peace in Europe - mind you they did nothing at all about the Balkan wars did they.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

matt_himself Matataland 08 Mar 17 10.29am
Originally posted by tome So you think that the difference between Europe in the first half of the last century and the second is a complete coincidence? Frankly, the fact that there has been largely peace because of the EU is one of the main reasons that I thought we'd be better off in. Given that the EU was founded in 1993, it is somewhat fanciful to claim that it was responsible for peace in the 'second half of the 20th century'. believe that NATO has been largely responsible for peace in Europe since 1945. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 08 Mar 17 10.29am

Originally posted by tome

Given that the EU was founded in 1993, it is somewhat fanciful to claim that it was responsible for peace in the 'second half of the 20th century'. believe that NATO has been largely responsible for peace in Europe since 1945.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

steeleye20 Croydon 08 Mar 17 10.50am
The point is that countries in the EU will not go to war against each other as they live in peace and security. Two World Wars were started by Western Europe countries mobilising against each other. The Balkan countries are not members of the EU. The EU has been very successful in this respect as war between EU members is quite unthinkable.

steeleye20

Croydon 08 Mar 17 10.50am

The point is that countries in the EU will not go to war against each other as they live in peace and security.

Two World Wars were started by Western Europe countries mobilising against each other.

The Balkan countries are not members of the EU.

The EU has been very successful in this respect as war between EU members is quite unthinkable.

Part Time James 08 Mar 17 10.55am
Originally posted by steeleye20 The point is that countries in the EU will not go to war against each other as they live in peace and security. Two World Wars were started by Western Europe countries mobilising against each other. The Balkan countries are not members of the EU. The EU has been very successful in this respect as war between EU members is quite unthinkable. We ought to have started a war with America, but I bet bloody Brexit will put pay to that now.

Part Time James

08 Mar 17 10.55am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The point is that countries in the EU will not go to war against each other as they live in peace and security.

Two World Wars were started by Western Europe countries mobilising against each other.

The Balkan countries are not members of the EU.

The EU has been very successful in this respect as war between EU members is quite unthinkable.

We ought to have started a war with America, but I bet bloody Brexit will put pay to that now.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Mar 17 11.01am
Just minor delays. Slow progress will resume soon. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Mar 17 11.01am

Just minor delays.

Slow progress will resume soon.

COYP

matt_himself Matataland 08 Mar 17 11.20am
Originally posted by steeleye20 The point is that countries in the EU will not go to war against each other as they live in peace and security. Two World Wars were started by Western Europe countries mobilising against each other. The Balkan countries are not members of the EU. The EU has been very successful in this respect as war between EU members is quite unthinkable. NATO has been the constant presence hat has brought peace to Europe. The EU has only been in existence for 24 years. Edited by Penge Eagle (08 Mar 2017 8.41pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 08 Mar 17 11.20am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The point is that countries in the EU will not go to war against each other as they live in peace and security.

Two World Wars were started by Western Europe countries mobilising against each other.

The Balkan countries are not members of the EU.

The EU has been very successful in this respect as war between EU members is quite unthinkable.

NATO has been the constant presence hat has brought peace to Europe.

The EU has only been in existence for 24 years.

Edited by Penge Eagle (08 Mar 2017 8.41pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hrolf The Ganger 08 Mar 17 11.22am
Originally posted by Kermit8 I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then? Left wing delusion strikes again. Nothing to do with the nuclear deterrent then. #Revisionism

Hrolf The Ganger

08 Mar 17 11.22am

Originally posted by Kermit8

I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then?

Left wing delusion strikes again.

Nothing to do with the nuclear deterrent then.

#Revisionism

Kermit8 Hevon 08 Mar 17 12.22pm
NATO cannot prevent conflict between its members as has been proven with Greece v Turkey and Iceland v UK. The EEC/Common Market/EU has, however, a 100% clean record and not one bullet in 65 years has been fired amongst its members. Churchill's main support for Europe coming together and to pursue common economic interests was to prevent future conflict and, so far, he has been totally correct and his vision on that score nothing less than perfect. NATO was formed to confront a perceived Soviet threat toward Western Europe and the States and not to harmonise peace. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 08 Mar 17 12.22pm

NATO cannot prevent conflict between its members as has been proven with Greece v Turkey and Iceland v UK.

The EEC/Common Market/EU has, however, a 100% clean record and not one bullet in 65 years has been fired amongst its members.

Churchill's main support for Europe coming together and to pursue common economic interests was to prevent future conflict and, so far, he has been totally correct and his vision on that score nothing less than perfect.

NATO was formed to confront a perceived Soviet threat toward Western Europe and the States and not to harmonise peace.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Kermit8 Hevon 08 Mar 17 12.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Left wing delusion strikes again. Nothing to do with the nuclear deterrent then. #Revisionism I am not quite sure how the nuclear deterrent would have prevented two non-nuclear countries within a EEC/EU free Europe entering into conflict between the years 1955 and 2016 so perhaps you could explain? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 08 Mar 17 12.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Left wing delusion strikes again.

Nothing to do with the nuclear deterrent then.

#Revisionism

I am not quite sure how the nuclear deterrent would have prevented two non-nuclear countries within a EEC/EU free Europe entering into conflict between the years 1955 and 2016 so perhaps you could explain?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

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