On the last couple of pages on the BBS (Grauniad canteen) someone has rumoured there's talk of a delay to negotiations until after the French and German elections next year.

You could then say as a poster said on there, why invoke article 50 and waste valuable time? Or you could just continue and apply the pressure to negotiate because they're holding elections like I've already said.

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Legally, it does not even need to be overturned - it has no legal status. The issue is the 'ethical' one of whether Parliament can ask the public what they think and then ignore it (to which I would say 'yes', provided it had been made clear the referendum was advisory at the time).

Most of the politicians however have boxed themselves into a corner by never saying it was only advisory and then going further and saying they would implement the decision.

It would now be political suicide, in the short term, for MPs to betray that promise but people do have short memories.

Any legislation we pass would normally have to go through 3 readings in the Commons and then be ratified by the Lords (another kettle of fish altogether), but is allows the time to review, scrutinize, reflect, amend and, if necessary, reject.

Whether we can hold out long enough to have another, legitimate plebiscite (general election or 2nd referendum) is moot for now although there are clearly plenty of politicians who are playing for time in the hope we can do exactly that.

I am not overly optimistic that the issue can be kicked around long enough to allow for a re-think but I do think it is perfectly legitimate to delay initiating Clause 50 as long as possible to allow for a change of heart.

Edited by SloveniaDave (04 Jul 2016 10.28pm)

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Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

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Yup, maybe 'overturned' was the wrong word but I get it. And I also get that many, maybe most, politicians are trying to slow things down whilst they figure out how to unravel this. Whether or not they can remains to be seen, this is where we find out if they genuinely are good politicians. Where is Machiavelli when you need him? B*ggered off with Garibaldi I suppose.

Clearly you haven't met my wife.

I see I am winning then. Resorting to personal insults, come now.

If you can't out-argue me give up.

Err, correction Hrolf. Read the thread. And it isn't just myself and Jamie who are uncomfortable with this attempt to subvert the outcome of the referendum. I suspect most Remain voters - while unhappy with the outcome and what appears to be the dismal level of education in this country - also accept the result.

Move on? How exactly?

This Brexit is not just a thought process. There is no sudden new dawn. It is rather intricate and complicated. A helluvalot of things have to be sorted over the next five to ten years before we will be able to move on.

Leave was a protest vote. People have ranted. But I notice no one in the 'Out' camp is protesting on the streets that we invoke Article 50 now. It's like the EU is not so bad after all that we have to go sharp-ish, it appears.

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