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cryrst The garden of England 09 Sep 21 9.27pm
Originally posted by HKOwen It's distressing when you see reports of massive over payment for basic things like A4 paper. A procurement shake up would be a good start. And the senior management salaries are eye watering. The constant stream of medical negligence claims and systemic issues at hospitals are a scandal. The NHS has become untouchable when it is incompetent, IMO. Reminds me of the USD20 screws the USAF used to procure, and the USD 10,000 toilet seat covers. Some things are too big to fail but also too big to succeed. The NHS is this exactly!

cryrst

The garden of England 09 Sep 21 9.27pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

It's distressing when you see reports of massive over payment for basic things like A4 paper.

A procurement shake up would be a good start.

And the senior management salaries are eye watering.

The constant stream of medical negligence claims and systemic issues at hospitals are a scandal.

The NHS has become untouchable when it is incompetent, IMO.

Reminds me of the USD20 screws the USAF used to procure, and the USD 10,000 toilet seat covers.

Some things are too big to fail but also too big to succeed. The NHS is this exactly!

Jacey 10 Sep 21 8.50am
Just what would you do Keir,what exactly is your plan and reasonable alternative,rather than simply criticize in this idiotic fashion?? [Link]

Jacey

10 Sep 21 8.50am

Just what would you do Keir,what exactly is your plan and reasonable alternative,rather than simply criticize in this idiotic fashion??

[Link]

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Sep 21 10.48am
Originally posted by Jacey Just what would you do Keir,what exactly is your plan and reasonable alternative,rather than simply criticize in this idiotic fashion?? [Link] He just looks vacant and clueless. Surely Labour can see it's going nowhere. What must the membership think? Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Sep 21 10.48am

Originally posted by Jacey

Just what would you do Keir,what exactly is your plan and reasonable alternative,rather than simply criticize in this idiotic fashion??

[Link]

He just looks vacant and clueless. Surely Labour can see it's going nowhere. What must the membership think?

Red and Blue Army!

HKOwen Hong Kong 13 Sep 21 1.17am
I suspect the Burnham campaign will start at the conference, in terms of solutions or alternatives he is just Starmer with a Coronation St accent Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 13 Sep 21 1.17am

I suspect the Burnham campaign will start at the conference, in terms of solutions or alternatives he is just Starmer with a Coronation St accent

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Jacey 15 Sep 21 12.16pm
Keir still sitting on the fence and nobody knows exactly where he stands on anything! [Link]

Jacey

15 Sep 21 12.16pm

Keir still sitting on the fence and nobody knows exactly where he stands on anything!

[Link]

Stirlingsays 15 Sep 21 1.58pm
Originally posted by HKOwen I suspect the Burnham campaign will start at the conference, in terms of solutions or alternatives he is just Starmer with a Coronation St accent Precisely. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

15 Sep 21 1.58pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

I suspect the Burnham campaign will start at the conference, in terms of solutions or alternatives he is just Starmer with a Coronation St accent

Precisely.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Jacey 17 Sep 21 12.54pm
Wow!! What an impact Starmer has made. Members are leaving in their droves. [Link]

Jacey

17 Sep 21 12.54pm

Wow!!
What an impact Starmer has made.
Members are leaving in their droves.

[Link]

CrazyBadger Ware 17 Sep 21 2.00pm
Originally posted by croydon proud I think this guy looks the part and might suprise a few on here in the coming months, wants to work with the government in this crisis but not at any cost, already pointing out the huge clangers Boris has made , ie Italian flights fiasco and no ppe for front line staff, but will back them , until this blows over.I wouldnt mind waging a few quid that this guy will be pm one day, and maybe sooner than later! Just wondering what the die hard Blu noses think,,,,,, The OP... What foresight Hope you didn't lose too much on that bet.... "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 17 Sep 21 2.00pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

I think this guy looks the part and might suprise a few on here in the coming months, wants to work with the government in this crisis but not at any cost, already pointing out the huge clangers Boris has made , ie Italian flights fiasco and no ppe for front line staff, but will back them , until this blows over.I wouldnt mind waging a few quid that this guy will be pm one day, and maybe sooner than later! Just wondering what the die hard Blu noses think,,,,,,

The OP... What foresight

Hope you didn't lose too much on that bet....

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

HKOwen Hong Kong 17 Sep 21 2.11pm
That would be the anti semite Corynistas Watching the Labour party self combust is pleasing Originally posted by Jacey Wow!! What an impact Starmer has made. Members are leaving in their droves. [Link] Edited by HKOwen (17 Sep 2021 2.15pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 17 Sep 21 2.11pm

That would be the anti semite Corynistas

Watching the Labour party self combust is pleasing

Originally posted by Jacey

Wow!!
What an impact Starmer has made.
Members are leaving in their droves.

[Link]

Edited by HKOwen (17 Sep 2021 2.15pm)

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Sep 21 4.36pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger The OP... What foresight Hope you didn't lose too much on that bet.... Yeah, hands up- he went down hill after that ! Lucky I never made it to the bookies! I can only imagine it2s the same feeling the boris fans and brexit voters are going through to be fair, that feeling of where did it all go wrong?

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 17 Sep 21 4.36pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

The OP... What foresight

Hope you didn't lose too much on that bet....

Yeah, hands up- he went down hill after that ! Lucky I never made it to the bookies! I can only imagine it2s the same feeling the boris fans and brexit voters are going through to be fair, that feeling of where did it all go wrong?

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Sep 21 4.40pm
Originally posted by HKOwen That would be the anti semite Corynistas Watching the Labour party self combust is pleasing Edited by HKOwen (17 Sep 2021 2.15pm) I understand exactly how you feel HK, watching the country go down the pan, pubs shutting early, take aways having no chicken, does put a wry smile on my face, knowing those people who would partake in those institutions are the ones most responsible for their demise!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 17 Sep 21 4.40pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

That would be the anti semite Corynistas

Watching the Labour party self combust is pleasing

Edited by HKOwen (17 Sep 2021 2.15pm)

I understand exactly how you feel HK, watching the country go down the pan, pubs shutting early, take aways having no chicken, does put a wry smile on my face, knowing those people who would partake in those institutions are the ones most responsible for their demise!

HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Sep 21 12.34am
CP, I don't see the country going down the pan but some of the measures taken to fight the pandemic have been in hindsight plain silly. Talking of hindsight, have yet to see any opposition MP come up with alternatives to the strategy. It's easy to bleat but but if no alternative idea then they should STFU. The measures in UK pale compared to what we have here now. Masks are compulsory almost everywhere, you can remove in a pub or restaurant once seated but for example, if you are in a buffet you must wear the mask when you go to get food. F and B staff have to be vaccinated and tested once a week. Depending on what hours the venue wants to open, if a late to 2 am they can only have vaccinated customers after midnight. Recently a pub was checked and had one unvaccinated customer, they were punished by having to close at 6 pm for the next 14 days. If you fail to scan your tracking and trace QR code entering a place you will be fined £500 , no debate. TBH, no one here minds wearing a mask, we have had the nightmare of SARS before. Regardless of what politically motivated non maskers say, some protection is better than nothing. Also people have have a culture of wearing masks because of pollution or if they have a cold. The issue here that is most frustrating is even if you are double jabbed, if you travel outside HK when you return you are forced to do 14/21 days quarantine in Govt sanctioned hotel which is very expensive and in limited supply. This is unlikely to change until possibly the end of March so the many people who wanted to spend Xmas in UK are fooked, as are families with kids studying in UK. I was hoping to be back from mid December, now looks more like March. At least we can meet up now to watch Palace 3pm games, but when the clocks change we're screwed as games will finish 1am here and pubs will close at midnight. No exactly about Starmer but hey ho Originally posted by croydon proud I understand exactly how you feel HK, watching the country go down the pan, pubs shutting early, take aways having no chicken, does put a wry smile on my face, knowing those people who would partake in those institutions are the ones most responsible for their demise! Edited by HKOwen (18 Sep 2021 12.36am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 18 Sep 21 12.34am

CP, I don't see the country going down the pan but some of the measures taken to fight the pandemic have been in hindsight plain silly. Talking of hindsight, have yet to see any opposition MP come up with alternatives to the strategy. It's easy to bleat but but if no alternative idea then they should STFU.

The measures in UK pale compared to what we have here now.

Masks are compulsory almost everywhere, you can remove in a pub or restaurant once seated but for example, if you are in a buffet you must wear the mask when you go to get food.

F and B staff have to be vaccinated and tested once a week.

Depending on what hours the venue wants to open, if a late to 2 am they can only have vaccinated customers after midnight.

Recently a pub was checked and had one unvaccinated customer, they were punished by having to close at 6 pm for the next 14 days.

If you fail to scan your tracking and trace QR code entering a place you will be fined £500 , no debate.

TBH, no one here minds wearing a mask, we have had the nightmare of SARS before. Regardless of what politically motivated non maskers say, some protection is better than nothing. Also people have have a culture of wearing masks because of pollution or if they have a cold.

The issue here that is most frustrating is even if you are double jabbed, if you travel outside HK when you return you are forced to do 14/21 days quarantine in Govt sanctioned hotel which is very expensive and in limited supply.

This is unlikely to change until possibly the end of March so the many people who wanted to spend Xmas in UK are fooked, as are families with kids studying in UK.

I was hoping to be back from mid December, now looks more like March.

At least we can meet up now to watch Palace 3pm games, but when the clocks change we're screwed as games will finish 1am here and pubs will close at midnight.

No exactly about Starmer but hey ho

Originally posted by croydon proud

Edited by HKOwen (18 Sep 2021 12.36am)

cryrst The garden of England 18 Sep 21 5.26am
Originally posted by croydon proud I understand exactly how you feel HK, watching the country go down the pan, pubs shutting early, take aways having no chicken, does put a wry smile on my face, knowing those people who would partake in those institutions are the ones most responsible for their demise! This is the very same government that gave you the ability to earn a fortune, buy houses, rent them out and virtually retire at 50 odd years old. Without chasing you for your wealth which corbyn and labour would and will do if they get power. A bit of irony in many of your posts when that's put in as a factor.

cryrst

The garden of England 18 Sep 21 5.26am

Originally posted by croydon proud

This is the very same government that gave you the ability to earn a fortune, buy houses, rent them out and virtually retire at 50 odd years old. Without chasing you for your wealth which corbyn and labour would and will do if they get power. A bit of irony in many of your posts when that's put in as a factor.

HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Sep 21 6.48am
Change the tax laws for corporations by all means. If there is a wealth tax your assets would be taxed three times, on salary, wealth and inheritance. That can't be right, crack down on the Panama Papers brigade, start with virtue signalling hypocrite Lineker. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 18 Sep 21 6.48am

Change the tax laws for corporations by all means.

If there is a wealth tax your assets would be taxed three times, on salary, wealth and inheritance.

That can't be right, crack down on the Panama Papers brigade, start with virtue signalling hypocrite Lineker.

Badger11 Beckenham 18 Sep 21 7.41am
Labour think tank proposing abolishing the council tax and replacing it with a tax based on 0.5% of the current value of your home. Somehow I don't think this is a vote winner, for the average person it means doubling what you pay now. I'm not bothered about the super rich paying more but it will really hit middle England and especially the south. If Starmer adopts this as a policy the Tories are guaranteed to get in. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 18 Sep 21 7.41am

Labour think tank proposing abolishing the council tax and replacing it with a tax based on 0.5% of the current value of your home.

Somehow I don't think this is a vote winner, for the average person it means doubling what you pay now. I'm not bothered about the super rich paying more but it will really hit middle England and especially the south.

If Starmer adopts this as a policy the Tories are guaranteed to get in.

One more point

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.46pm
Originally posted by HKOwen CP, I don't see the country going down the pan but some of the measures taken to fight the pandemic have been in hindsight plain silly. Talking of hindsight, have yet to see any opposition MP come up with alternatives to the strategy. It's easy to bleat but but if no alternative idea then they should STFU. The measures in UK pale compared to what we have here now. Masks are compulsory almost everywhere, you can remove in a pub or restaurant once seated but for example, if you are in a buffet you must wear the mask when you go to get food. F and B staff have to be vaccinated and tested once a week. Depending on what hours the venue wants to open, if a late to 2 am they can only have vaccinated customers after midnight. Recently a pub was checked and had one unvaccinated customer, they were punished by having to close at 6 pm for the next 14 days. If you fail to scan your tracking and trace QR code entering a place you will be fined £500 , no debate. TBH, no one here minds wearing a mask, we have had the nightmare of SARS before. Regardless of what politically motivated non maskers say, some protection is better than nothing. Also people have have a culture of wearing masks because of pollution or if they have a cold. The issue here that is most frustrating is even if you are double jabbed, if you travel outside HK when you return you are forced to do 14/21 days quarantine in Govt sanctioned hotel which is very expensive and in limited supply. This is unlikely to change until possibly the end of March so the many people who wanted to spend Xmas in UK are fooked, as are families with kids studying in UK. I was hoping to be back from mid December, now looks more like March. At least we can meet up now to watch Palace 3pm games, but when the clocks change we're screwed as games will finish 1am here and pubs will close at midnight. No exactly about Starmer but hey ho Edited by HKOwen (18 Sep 2021 12.36am) Back for good HK?

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.46pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

The measures in UK pale compared to what we have here now.

Masks are compulsory almost everywhere, you can remove in a pub or restaurant once seated but for example, if you are in a buffet you must wear the mask when you go to get food.

F and B staff have to be vaccinated and tested once a week.

Depending on what hours the venue wants to open, if a late to 2 am they can only have vaccinated customers after midnight.

Recently a pub was checked and had one unvaccinated customer, they were punished by having to close at 6 pm for the next 14 days.

If you fail to scan your tracking and trace QR code entering a place you will be fined £500 , no debate.

This is unlikely to change until possibly the end of March so the many people who wanted to spend Xmas in UK are fooked, as are families with kids studying in UK.

I was hoping to be back from mid December, now looks more like March.

At least we can meet up now to watch Palace 3pm games, but when the clocks change we're screwed as games will finish 1am here and pubs will close at midnight.

No exactly about Starmer but hey ho

Edited by HKOwen (18 Sep 2021 12.36am)

Back for good HK?

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.50pm
Originally posted by cryrst This is the very same government that gave you the ability to earn a fortune, buy houses, rent them out and virtually retire at 50 odd years old. Without chasing you for your wealth which corbyn and labour would and will do if they get power. A bit of irony in many of your posts when that's put in as a factor. Some of the same gov mate, we had 12 years of labour in my money grafting days to, but this is the same gov that ruined my job-the pm, chancellor and London mayor(bojo). All water under the bridge, but has to be said!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.50pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Some of the same gov mate, we had 12 years of labour in my money grafting days to, but this is the same gov that ruined my job-the pm, chancellor and London mayor(bojo). All water under the bridge, but has to be said!

HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Sep 21 11.53pm
Hello CP, not sure what you mean . Back where? Originally posted by croydon proud Back for good HK? Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Sep 21 11.53pm

Hello CP, not sure what you mean . Back where?

Originally posted by croydon proud

Back for good HK?

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.54pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Labour think tank proposing abolishing the council tax and replacing it with a tax based on 0.5% of the current value of your home. Somehow I don't think this is a vote winner, for the average person it means doubling what you pay now. I'm not bothered about the super rich paying more but it will really hit middle England and especially the south. If Starmer adopts this as a policy the Tories are guaranteed to get in. It certainly doesn"t fill me with optimism, this bunch of keystone cops, or play fair keir, to scared to attack them and play dirty! I might never vote again for a main party- just one of those fringe parties that might have one agenda you believe in, but have no chance of getting in.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.54pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Labour think tank proposing abolishing the council tax and replacing it with a tax based on 0.5% of the current value of your home.

If Starmer adopts this as a policy the Tories are guaranteed to get in.

It certainly doesn"t fill me with optimism, this bunch of keystone cops, or play fair keir, to scared to attack them and play dirty! I might never vote again for a main party- just one of those fringe parties that might have one agenda you believe in, but have no chance of getting in.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.57pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Hello CP, not sure what you mean . Back where? You said you were trying to get back for December but probably march now?

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.57pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Hello CP, not sure what you mean . Back where?

You said you were trying to get back for December but probably march now?

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