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 Teddy Eagle  09 Dec 20 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are ignoring the "so what". I am sitting in my armchair. That's a fact too. It also has no connection to the issue. Nor by the way does a 20% drop in viewing figures. It's a reaction and not the action. You don’t get to decide the connections in other people’s posts though.
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Eaglecoops  CR3 09 Dec 20 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
BS. The only issue is whether booing a sincere gesture was disrespectful. Whether you think that gesture wise, or whether you agree with the thinking behind it or not, are other matters. You don't boo people like that. You boo refs and opposition players. That's part of the fun. But not people who want to show they care. It destroys their connection to the fans. You have changed your tune on here. You’ve gone from 4 or 5 issues with this to it only being about booing a sincere gesture. So by your own admission you appear to be moving to our way of thinking. I’ll let you have that because it’s already been explained about 100 times that they are not booing the players they are booing the gesture.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You’re now agreeing that the fist salute is provocative and unnecessary. And you’re moving away from the whole knee thing being necessary or right to do and instead just focusing on the booing. So instead of discussing what is necessary you’re focusing on a disapproval to it. All this confirms is your usual stance that everyone has to shut up and accept your personal choice of direction. It’s all too familiar with you. This whole thread has wandered off track so much it got lost pages ago. The question was were people behaving acceptably when they started to boo the players taking the knee. Anything else is a diversion. What your own beliefs are about the action is irrelevant. You can blather for pages about whether it is a political act, outdated or ineffective but it's not the question. All that needs to be answered is were they right to boo in that way? Was showing such disrespect justified. The players don't think so. The clubs and FA don't. Most commentators don't, with a few exceptions. That I happen to agree is a side issue. It's not my "personal choice of direction" that's under the microscope. It's the booing. Nothing else.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
You don’t get to decide the connections in other people’s posts though. I am not trying to make connections. You are. I am just pointing out when they aren't real. It may well be that the gesture comes under commercial pressure but that has no connection to how it originated. Which is the actual subject.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
You have changed your tune on here. You’ve gone from 4 or 5 issues with this to it only being about booing a sincere gesture. So by your own admission you appear to be moving to our way of thinking. I’ll let you have that because it’s already been explained about 100 times that they are not booing the players they are booing the gesture. As it's the players who are making the gesture and the players who feel the disrespect then the boos are very much received by them, even if those that utter them don't intend to aim them there. If you aimed a dart at the bull but hit someone in the eye you would still be guilty of harm. As I have said many times there are good ways and bad ways to express your opinions. You are all entitled to hold these about the gesture, its history and its impact. That though does not excuse showing such disrespect to those who disagree and do what they do quietly and with dignity.
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jeeagles  09 Dec 20 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As it's the players who are making the gesture and the players who feel the disrespect then the boos are very much received by them, even if those that utter them don't intend to aim them there. If you aimed a dart at the bull but hit someone in the eye you would still be guilty of harm. As I have said many times there are good ways and bad ways to express your opinions. You are all entitled to hold these about the gesture, its history and its impact. That though does not excuse showing such disrespect to those who disagree and do what they do quietly and with dignity. What over way is there for supporters in the upper tier to express their disapproval of the kneeling gesture? By changing the gesture we have resolved many of the issues that made the players disrespected and the issue of the fans. If anyone boo's the compromise, it would be reasonable to say that they are definitely motivated by racism as its taken away all the excuses they had to hide behind. Most people aren't racist, and just don't want to be associated with the group that went rioting and graffitiing the cenotaph.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Dec 20 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This whole thread has wandered off track so much it got lost pages ago. The question was were people behaving acceptably when they started to boo the players taking the knee. Anything else is a diversion. What your own beliefs are about the action is irrelevant. You can blather for pages about whether it is a political act, outdated or ineffective but it's not the question. All that needs to be answered is were they right to boo in that way? Was showing such disrespect justified. The players don't think so. The clubs and FA don't. Most commentators don't, with a few exceptions. That I happen to agree is a side issue. It's not my "personal choice of direction" that's under the microscope. It's the booing. Nothing else. They’re booing the action. I agree with Eaglecoops. You never will, although you are actually this time.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Dec 20 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not trying to make connections. You are. I am just pointing out when they aren't real. It may well be that the gesture comes under commercial pressure but that has no connection to how it originated. Which is the actual subject. You’re still trying to dictate other people’s content. If your issue is that booing the kneeling is disrespectful isn’t it ironic that the gesture itself was designed to be disrespectful by being performed during the playing of the National Anthem?
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Dec 20 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
56 pages on taking the knee. I wonder how many we can manage on scratching the armpit. For the answer, try the Millwall forum.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 09 Dec 20 4.59pm |
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Have their been any injuries caused by 'taking the knee?' Don't ask Connor to do it, it will be another anterior cruciate.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Dec 20 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Have their been any injuries caused by 'taking the knee?' Don't ask Connor to do it, it will be another anterior cruciate.
Klopp would be asking for six substitutes if there had.
Red and Blue Army! |
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| Stirlingsays 09 Dec 20 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
For the answer, try the Millwall forum. I've enough spectator sports as it is.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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 georgenorman 09 Dec 20 5.57pm |
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No
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| Spiderman Horsham 09 Dec 20 6.02pm |
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No
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| Stirlingsays 09 Dec 20 6.12pm |
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No
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 09 Dec 20 6.14pm |
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No
One more point |
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Dec 20 6.15pm |
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No
Red and Blue Army! |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 6.24pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
What over way is there for supporters in the upper tier to express their disapproval of the kneeling gesture? By changing the gesture we have resolved many of the issues that made the players disrespected and the issue of the fans. If anyone boo's the compromise, it would be reasonable to say that they are definitely motivated by racism as its taken away all the excuses they had to hide behind. Most people aren't racist, and just don't want to be associated with the group that went rioting and graffitiing the cenotaph. I dealt with this pages ago. There are plenty of ways if you feel it's so important. What isn't the way is to show the contempt for others that the booing implied which along with it's setting and the history of racial abuse which it has a reputation for was a poor decision. It's not for anyone else to even try to change the gesture. That's for the players alone to decide. They don't visit your workplace and try to disrupt you if you decide you want to do something. No-one wants to be associated with anyone who commits criminal acts, and I feel sure that includes the players. We must not get involved. We have our Police forces to do that. Booing players has no connection of any kind with that. It's an excuse.
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