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Jacey Flag 08 Mar 17 8.47pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The peace process in Northern Ireland has absolutely nothing to do with the EU. It is largely the result of the efforts of Blair.

And John Major,surely??

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 08 Mar 17 8.50pm

Either way, we can agree it had barely anything to do with the EU!

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 08 Mar 17 8.56pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Either way, we can agree it had barely anything to do with the EU!

Agree. It is bollocks.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 08 Mar 17 9.15pm

560 pages of this thread is there an upper limit as we could be here for eternity !!!!

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 08 Mar 17 11.20pm

So George Osborne is getting paid a £650k salary by the staunch EU remainers BlackRock for one day a week's work. No wonder he campaigned so vehemently for the UK to stay in the EU with all those lies.

And David Cameron's £100k speech for Morgan Stanley recently after the bank threw hundreds of thousands of pounds at the remain campaign.

Yet rather bizarrely, many people would have voted remain because the banks and the government know best – and have no self interest whatsoever of course!

 

.TUX. Flag 09 Mar 17 8.13am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

So George Osborne is getting paid a £650k salary by the staunch EU remainers BlackRock for one day a week's work. No wonder he campaigned so vehemently for the UK to stay in the EU with all those lies.

And David Cameron's £100k speech for Morgan Stanley recently after the bank threw hundreds of thousands of pounds at the remain campaign.

Yet rather bizarrely, many people would have voted remain because the banks and the government know best – and have no self interest whatsoever of course!

Too many people are ''impressionable''.


 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 09 Mar 17 11.49am

The EU/EEC had nothing to do with forcing the peace in NI but it has strongly underpinned it.

The peace process in Northern Ireland has been receiving financial support from the EU since 1989, through both EU regional policy and EU contributions to the International Fund for Ireland (IFI).

Since 1995 there have been three PEACE programmes, with a financial contribution of EUR 1.3 billion. While PEACE I (1995-1999) and PEACE II (2000-2006) received funding from all the Structural Funds, PEACE III (2007-2013) was funded solely by the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF).
The PEACE IV programme has a total value of EUR 270 million. The ERDF contribution to the programme is approximately EUR 229 million (85%), and EUR 41 million (15%) will come from match-funding (i.e. non-EU sources which may include national, regional and local government funding). 94% of the PEACE IV programme resources will support social inclusion, combating poverty and labour mobility.


Certainly, the loss of EU finance is not going to help the future situation there.

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 09 Mar 17 8.38pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The EU/EEC had nothing to do with forcing the peace in NI but it has strongly underpinned it.

The peace process in Northern Ireland has been receiving financial support from the EU since 1989, through both EU regional policy and EU contributions to the International Fund for Ireland (IFI).

Since 1995 there have been three PEACE programmes, with a financial contribution of EUR 1.3 billion. While PEACE I (1995-1999) and PEACE II (2000-2006) received funding from all the Structural Funds, PEACE III (2007-2013) was funded solely by the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF).
The PEACE IV programme has a total value of EUR 270 million. The ERDF contribution to the programme is approximately EUR 229 million (85%), and EUR 41 million (15%) will come from match-funding (i.e. non-EU sources which may include national, regional and local government funding). 94% of the PEACE IV programme resources will support social inclusion, combating poverty and labour mobility.


Certainly, the loss of EU finance is not going to help the future situation there.

You mean the EU finance that comes indirectly from the UK taxpayer? With the sensitive political situation up there, I doubt the UK govt would withdraw that funding when it's in charge of the purse strings again. And before you say the Tories can't be trusted, well there is no guarantee the EU would continue to spend it.

 

jeeagles Flag 09 Mar 17 10.11pm

By no stretch of the imagination can the EU take credit for the NI peace process.

The point I was trying to make is that peace in Europe is pretty fragile. Within the EU there are 2 disputes. Just outside its boarders there are loads of disputes.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 10 Mar 17 9.14am

Guy Verhofstadt says ‘all British citizens today have EU citizenship’ and they should have the chance to keep their individual rights.

If you can keep your EU rights as an individual I think many people feel European and would want this.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 10 Mar 17 12.38pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Guy Verhofstadt says ‘all British citizens today have EU citizenship’ and they should have the chance to keep their individual rights.

If you can keep your EU rights as an individual I think many people feel European and would want this.


Well those that want to remain"European " can pay for it out of higher taxes that they can pay...what a ridiculous idea.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 10 Mar 17 12.41pm

Basically they are trying everything they can to throw a spanner in the works of Brexit,because they know that the huge house of cards is about to collapse about their ears.

 


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Part Time James Flag 10 Mar 17 12.58pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

560 pages of this thread is there an upper limit as we could be here for eternity !!!!

It'll stop when two people agree with each other. But I fear for the inhabitants of hell that don't own a coat.

 




steeleye20 Flag Croydon 10 Mar 17 4.02pm

Read what the man said as an individual.

Not involved with the UK govt or brexit at all.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 10 Mar 17 6.55pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Read what the man said as an individual.

Not involved with the UK govt or brexit at all.

I did read it,someone has to pay for the so called " benifits" of being a member we do as a country now...read what I said.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 10 Mar 17 8.05pm

You are daft once the uk is out there is nothing to pay as an individual if you want to retain citizenship it will not be free but that's up to you.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 10 Mar 17 8.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

You are daft once the uk is out there is nothing to pay as an individual if you want to retain citizenship it will not be free but that's up to you.

So who pays for,if we as a country contribute,then if we leave,who pays for your citizenship.....seems logical to me.
Otherwise what benifits does it provide.....because I'm not paying for you to remain.
Just think about it before calling me names.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 10 Mar 17 9.19pm

No more after this - again you have to pay for it yourself.

We don't know yet what if any citizenship the EU will offer to individuals - when they do the individual will have the choice.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Mar 17 1.44pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No more after this - again you have to pay for it yourself.

We don't know yet what if any citizenship the EU will offer to individuals - when they do the individual will have the choice.

All I want is to be a British citizen as I was born to be and NOT an EU citizen and also have my BLUE passport back. How wonderful that would be!
Roll on Brexit.

 


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legaleagle Flag 11 Mar 17 9.04pm

In a nutshell....

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"In the coming days, perhaps as soon as Wednesday, Brexit will turn from abstract to concrete....

yet those in charge of this fateful, epochal process – and especially those who most loudly demanded it happen – seem utterly unprepared for it....

It’s as if the crew of the Titanic eyed the iceberg ahead and promptly decided to have a big squabble over whether to serve white or red....

That failing is most obvious among the Brexiteers, characterised by a refusal to own their victory and take responsibility for it. So when a voice of experience or authority dares point out the possible dangers ahead, they are either sacked, as was the fate of Michael Heseltine, attacked personally, like John Major, or else branded an “enemy of the people” who refuses to bow to the “popular will”....

Those with concerns are accused of “talking down the country” or lacking sufficient faith – as if, should Brexit make us poorer, the fault will belong to those who didn’t screw their eyes tight enough and believe. Credit to Jonn Elledge for calling this what it is: the Tinkerbell delusion....

This surely has to end with the triggering of article 50. From this moment on, the focus must be intensely practical. No more baggy rhetoric about sovereignty and “taking back control”. From now on, those who got us into this situation have to show they can get us out intact by March 2019...

That will require a major shift among the Brexiteer ministers and in Downing Street. Those close to the pre-negotiations between Britain and the remaining 27 EU states report an unwarranted hubris on the UK side that augurs ill....

Such arrogance is likely to be exposed soon...

"remainers will need to handle these next two years carefully, readying themselves for the day when the deal is done, and ensuring they have already placed two key questions in the front of the public mind: is this deal better than the set-up we had on 22 June 2016? And if it isn’t, why are we doing it?"

 

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