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hedgehog50  Croydon 17 Mar 17 7.53pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Damp squib, total fvck-up or just slightly worse off. Which Brexit Britain will it be in five years time?
A very encouraging feature of all this is that the left is predicting doom and gloom. As they are invariably wrong about everything else, that gives great credence to a better future out of the EU.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 17 Mar 17 8.01pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
No point they won't get a start-up grant from the EU I would be very keen on devolved regions from London in England tho. Perhaps they can join Scotland as a new country all together.
Can't find any ref to Hitler today so 'Hitler' that's better. Why don't you just move to France. They love the EU.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Mar 17 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It's very tempting as London prices are absurd and my countrymen are no longer tolerant or nice. I am ok speaking day to day German or passable italian but just cannot 'get' french. Of course the concept of the Union is French. I agree that the liberal left are intolerant and the Remainers are quite rude to the nice Brexiters.
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| .TUX. 17 Mar 17 8.53pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Of course there are stock market booms and stock market crashes, that is the the nature of markets. Doesn't have much to do with being in or out of the EU though. Remainers predicted a major crash as soon as we voted to leave and it simply has not happened has it. So why mention the artificially inflated FTSE earlier to try to prove a point that doesn't really exist?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Mar 17 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
So why mention the artificially inflated FTSE earlier to try to prove a point that doesn't really exist? That's a fair point TUX! But I'll stick with the FTSE having little to do with being in or out of the EU. I made the original comment to counter the Remainer line that leaving the EU would cause a crash. I do accept that the market could have gone down; the Remainers would have said it was because of Brexit, it wouldn't have been.
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Kermit8  Hevon 17 Mar 17 10.47pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
A very encouraging feature of all this is that the left is predicting doom and gloom. As they are invariably wrong about everything else, that gives great credence to a better future out of the EU. That's correct. The left was wrong about universal education, the NHS, employee protection, safety at work, paid holiday time, minimum wage, environmental awareness (cleaner rivers,etc), so there is absolutely no way you should trust them about anything. Ever.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 17 Mar 17 10.49pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
That's a fair point TUX! But I'll stick with the FTSE having little to do with being in or out of the EU. I made the original comment to counter the Remainer line that leaving the EU would cause a crash. I do accept that the market could have gone down; the Remainers would have said it was because of Brexit, it wouldn't have been. Durr...hello...we haven't left the EU yet. Wake up grandad.
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corkery  Cork City 17 Mar 17 11.22pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its reasonable in theory. I don't think its overly practical though other than as a formality, which is really the case with most of the internal European borders. That border is one of the most notorious for smuggling. Until the 60s, customs was done between NI and Scotland. It will be 100% impossible to police the border as small towns on the border have no police. Immigration checkpoints have returned since the Tories kicked many Asians out of the UK.
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| matt_himself Matataland 18 Mar 17 5.41am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
That's correct. The left was wrong about universal education, the NHS, employee protection, safety at work, paid holiday time, minimum wage, environmental awareness (cleaner rivers,etc), so there is absolutely no way you should trust them about anything. Ever. Most of those items were introduced by centre right governments. Why so ranty Michael?
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 9.39am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Most of those items were introduced by centre right governments. Why so ranty Michael? True. Also, the creation of a National Health Service was in the 1945 Tory Election Manifesto: "The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them.
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| legaleagle 18 Mar 17 10.18am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
True. Also, the creation of a National Health Service was in the 1945 Tory Election Manifesto: "The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. If anyone was the "father" of the NHS,it was another of your bogey people...a liberal,William Beveridge. The Tories had it in the manifesto because after the war people were determined never to go back to the Tory-assisted misery of the 30's...so the Tories had to adopt some things like that so as not to be completely laughed out of towm.. As it was,they still had no chance,made even worse by Churchill's despicable "Gestapo" jibe at Labour.. Doncha just love those right wingers who spread ridiculous knee jerk slags of Labour of that kind? Edited by legaleagle (18 Mar 2017 10.19am)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 10.28am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
That's correct. The left was wrong about universal education, the NHS, employee protection, safety at work, paid holiday time, minimum wage, environmental awareness (cleaner rivers,etc), so there is absolutely no way you should trust them about anything. Ever. That's a bit of a stretch for the Left to claim the entire credit for all that. Most of what you list either evolved over many years or was the result of personal crusades or practical need. So what I'm really saying is.... do shut up.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 10.41am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
The Tories had it in the manifesto because after the war people were determined never to go back to the Tory-assisted misery of the 30's...so the Tories had to adopt some things like that so as not to be completely laughed out of towm.. As it was,they still had no chance,made even worse by Churchill's despicable "Gestapo" jibe at Labour.. Doncha just love those right wingers who spread ridiculous knee jerk slags of Labour of that kind? Edited by legaleagle (18 Mar 2017 10.19am) Similar to Bevan's "lower than vermin" jibe you mean?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 11.02am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
He said: " What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin". The sort of reasonable thought process we have come to expect from the left.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 17 11.06am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It's very tempting as London prices are absurd and my countrymen are no longer tolerant or nice. I am ok speaking day to day German or passable italian but just cannot 'get' french. Of course the concept of the Union is French. Please don't let that stop you. I have been to France many times and got by with almost no French.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.12am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
He said: " What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin". And Churchill said: “No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance. And this would nip opinion in the bud; it would stop criticism as it reared its head, and it would gather all the power to the supreme party and the party leaders, rising like stately pinnacles above their vast bureaucracies of Civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil.”
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Mar 17 11.19am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
And Churchill said: “No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance. And this would nip opinion in the bud; it would stop criticism as it reared its head, and it would gather all the power to the supreme party and the party leaders, rising like stately pinnacles above their vast bureaucracies of Civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil.” Well that is right the 'Gestapo' from Churchill and the 'vermin' from Bevan. Have to give credit to Labour for the welfare state the NHS and Keynes economic theory that austerity alone does not work. I can't think of any social advances under the tories. Edited by steeleye20 (18 Mar 2017 11.25am)
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