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  Hrolf The Ganger  01 Dec 17 11.41am |
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Originally posted by wordup
That's what a lot of this is all about really. Anger that groups you could once denigrate or brush off with ease now have a voice too. It's new and to some it's unsettling. We aren't Russia though and I'm glad we're not. In the context of the point you're making that means you're not simply right because you're white. You are judged by -shock horror- your views and behaviour. If people are unhappy with the current system I would be perfectly happy with proportional representation. That would mean that every vote counts and would allow people to push their particular view of the world. For better or for worse it would at least be an accurate representation of the nation as a whole and as I said before, people get the government they deserve so go for it.
No. It's knowing that the views of the majority will be ignored in favour of the minority in order to keep politicians in power. This is how more extreme groups rise in popularity.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Dec 17 11.57am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
'Yes as I stated, you're well versed in American Antifa and can't stop talking about how terrible they are' Ah well....lets have a hard think about that one....must be hard to come up with an answer for that one isn't it. How about I have an interest in antifa and they have been on my news sources for about a year.....Difficult eh. I have an interest in free speech and that's pretty much the reason. I have little interest in far right groups because.....what the feck are they doing? Not much....Just people like your progressive friends obsessing over them. Slagging them off every moment and like you making sneering 'dog whistle' comments about other posters in general tones to have deniability. Britain First, I'm aware of them....that's about it....I've slagged off far right groups on here...When they start killing people on anything like the same scale I'll be hating them just as much...Until then I'll regard them as the wrong way to go about the problem. In the meantime I get to listen to you write absolute drivel about what I or others think. I'm very anti Islamism and argue for action for change on it. I have no problem with the public being informed much more clearly about the problem they have....not lied to and fed BS warm words. You are exercising your free speech and that's fine and I'm feeding back to you that you can shove your half arsed arrogant sneering opinions. They have little merit. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 10.08pm) MOD warning - Personal abuse - I don't think this is sufficient for a yellow, given the context though - but please avoid directly commenting like this.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Dec 17 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Who would you regard as 'extreme left'? Peter Taaffe I think a lot of people who think of Corbyn as extreme left wing, haven't had much experience of the far left or know much about the main far left parties in the UK. Compared to say Ian Bone, Corbyn is a more left wing Tony Blair.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Dec 17 12.10pm |
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It's hard to disagree.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
MOD warning - Personal abuse - I don't think this is sufficient for a yellow, given the context though - but please avoid directly commenting like this. Fair enough.....I was miffed and went too far.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 12.44pm |
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Agreed with everything he said, should be the leader of Ukip.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Interesting. Very articulate. One of Farage's acolytes and with Muslim parents. Good to listen to though he is rather missing the point about Trump on purpose and he does work for naughty agenda-driven Breitbart, which isn't good if he is wanting to portray himself as an objective and rational speaker. All news is agenda driven.
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 01 Dec 17 1.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
All news is agenda driven. How do you know?
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| Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 1.35pm |
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Originally posted by tome
How do you know? By which news stories they choose to make prominent in comparison to other news outlets and their analysis upon them. That's a bit like asking how do I know the Mirror have a different agenda to the Mail.
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Kermit8  Hevon 01 Dec 17 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
By which news stories they choose to make prominent in comparison to other news outlets and their analysis upon them.
That is not necessarily agenda driven though unless the channel/paper is blatantly and proudly ultra-conservative or ultra-left. Newsnight, for example, always gives voice to both sides in debate. Sure it choose the stories to present via the editor but that is their job. Maybe too much cynicism on your part??
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| Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
That is not necessarily agenda driven though unless the channel/paper is blatantly and proudly ultra-conservative or ultra-left. Newsnight, for example, always gives voice to both sides in debate. Sure it choose the stories to present via the editor but that is their job. Maybe too much cynicism on your part?? They all have agendas, some are just less blatant than others. Newsnight is no different.....the other night I watched the presenter suggest to me how I should regard and react to Trump's tweets...none of what he said I would agree with or came from anything like a side I could identify with......blimey, 'give a voice to both sides'. The sides it wants us to listen to you mean. The right wing mindset is regularly ignored on newsnight.....and when it's there it's usually the 'Tory' SJW stuff. Rather too much naivete on your part me thinks. All news has agenda.....it's just whether you agree with it or not. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Dec 2017 1.54pm)
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 01 Dec 17 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
They all have agendas, some are just less blatant than others. Newsnight is no different.....the other night I watched the presenter suggest to me how I should regard and react to Trump's tweets...none of what he said I would agree with or came from anything like a side I could identify with......blimey, 'give a voice to both sides'. The sides it wants us to listen to you mean. The right wing mindset is regularly ignored on newsnight.....and when it's there it's usually the 'Tory' SJW stuff. Rather too much naivete on your part me thinks. All news has agenda.....it's just whether you agree with it or not. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Dec 2017 1.54pm) Disagree. Most subjects are chosen because they might appeal to the readers - or the customers, as the grocer - type proprietors will think. They are products to be sold. Hence the importance of the BBC, and I also disagree with your assessments as per my prior comments about the make up of their panels. They piss both sides off, so an approximation of a middle ground is as good as it's going to get.
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Ray in Houston  Houston 01 Dec 17 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I'm not sure what race has to do with it here. You're maybe confusing Texas with Britain which are two different situations. I was responding to Hrolf, who thinks that UK politicians pander to minorities, in that I was juxtaposing Texas to Britain rather than confusing the two.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
There is a sense that some people are pulling up the drawbridge. That's exactly what's going on, and it's more egregious in the US where 95%+ of the population are immigrants or descendants thereof.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sod it though....this shower need a dosh of Corbyn to shut them up......even my 24 year old nephew working as an estate agent came out as a corbyn fan the other day...that's what happens when you stay in Sheffield flat sharing with your old uni mates.
Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 4.05pm)
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| Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Come on, this has been gone over loads of times. Corbyn is not extreme left, only perhaps if compared to May, who was always known as being the right of the party, mind you, it was also accepted by Tories pre election as being 'a safe pair of hands' !
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| wordup 01 Dec 17 3.00pm |
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Our orange friend has decided to top up with an additional obstruction of justice style tan [Link]
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| wordup 01 Dec 17 3.04pm |
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[Link] - Flynn likely to plead guilty to lying to the FBI. One wonders what he was lying about and what plea deal he may have signed with regard to the other bang to rights charges. No wonder Donnie Moscow has been in twitter distraction mode.
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