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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Apr 17 4.48pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

But the original clause 4 says:
"To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service."

Corbyn in 2015 said:
"I think we should talk about what the objectives of the party are, whether that’s restoring the Clause Four as it was originally written or it’s a different one, but I think we shouldn’t shy away from public participation, public investment in industry and public control of the railways.”

What do you think he meant by that, secret police raiding one of a chain of hairdressers someone has built up or challenging private ownership of what should be public assets e.g water, railways etc?

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 16 Apr 17 5.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

What do you think he meant by that, secret police raiding one of a chain of hairdressers someone has built up or challenging private ownership of what should be public assets e.g water, railways etc?

Presumably he meant what he said "restoring the Clause Four as it was originally written" ie: "the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange".
Mr.Gristle earlier said: "That's Marxist / Leninist communuism" [his words not mine.]

Edited by hedgehog50 (16 Apr 2017 5.08pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Apr 17 5.34pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Stop being an arse.

Remarkable how often you get away with insulting people on here.
I wonder if you would if you held different political views.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Apr 2017 5.34pm)

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Apr 17 5.31pm

Anybody wondering like me why the coming election has been called over brexit?

The new government will not be seen any differently in the forthcoming negotiation the PM only has power in the UK.

My take is that she will be able to say that she was only carrying out her new mandate if it all collapses.

It was their fault for voting for me.


 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 Apr 17 5.39pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Ah, you cynic! Don't let your hatred of the Tories get in the way of anything!

And if the British people don't like the British govt's green policies then they can be voted out. Or a party with green policies can be voted into govt. Democracy, innit.

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Apr 2017 2.05am)

Well if voting could change anything they'd have to make it illegal. Only very naïve people think that you can vote any more than one of two parties into power.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 21 Apr 17 5.20pm

From what I am reading it seems that Tusk Juncker Barnard are resisting pressure from the European parliament to be involved in the negotiating process.

Far from scuppering the brexit they appear to be genuinely interested in a deal but on their terms.

However the EU parliament could chuck this out years from now.

The alternative for the UK to just crash out is just about palatable to the EU as they are tired of the never-ending problems with the UK.

IMO only.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 1.06pm

More good news...

Trump puts EU ahead of Britain in trade queue

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Apr 17 2.26pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

More good news...

Trump puts EU ahead of Britain in trade queue

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But..but...but...Obama was scaremongering and interfering when he said 'get in the queue', wasn't he? He can't have been warning us out of friendship and mutual respect, surely?

 


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MalcomsFedora Flag Brockley 22 Apr 17 2.32pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

But..but...but...Obama was scaremongering and interfering when he said 'get in the queue', wasn't he? He can't have been warning us out of friendship and mutual respect, surely?

But we can't negotiate a trade deal for at least another 2 years anyway. So this really proves nothing.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Apr 17 2.32pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

More good news...

Trump puts EU ahead of Britain in trade queue

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Well that's usual newspaper stuff but I did notice they are considering reviving TTIP.

A trade deal with the USA why? They are our biggest trading partner without any deal and their Ambassador here says no trade deal makes it far easier to trade. (yes I know).

regards

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Apr 17 2.36pm

Originally posted by MalcomsFedora

But we can't negotiate a trade deal for at least another 2 years anyway. So this really proves nothing.

Yes, but the EU and US could start negotiating now. Looks like we will have to wait our turn two years hence if their negotiations overlap. Ah, well. We can have the crumbs.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Apr 17 2.58pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

More good news...

Trump puts EU ahead of Britain in trade queue

[Link]

Trump won't betray Britain. It isn't in his dna. We will have a good deal with the US.

Many of the left with their anti-Americanism do nothing but harm this country. But they rarely give a damn about that because national pride is an illusion to them.

So all they want to do is tear it down for others.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2017 2.58pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Apr 17 3.00pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

But..but...but...Obama was scaremongering and interfering when he said 'get in the queue', wasn't he? He can't have been warning us out of friendship and mutual respect, surely?

Example in point.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Apr 17 3.03pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Trump won't betray Britain. It isn't in his dna. We will have a good deal with the US.

Many of the left with their anti-Americanism do nothing but harm this country. But they rarely give a damn about that because national pride is an illusion to them.

So all they want to do is tear it down for others.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2017 2.58pm)

That's a bit silly nobody including the USA knows what our future is so how can they conclude a free trade deal.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Apr 17 3.29pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yes, but the EU and US could start negotiating now. Looks like we will have to wait our turn two years hence if their negotiations overlap. Ah, well. We can have the crumbs.

Isnt TTIP evil? Isn't Trump evil?

If the EU are prepared to negotiate a rehashed TTIP deal with that [insert -phobe description] Trump, are you still thinking the EU are a trustworthy, ethical and 'progressive' partner? Surely you should be questioning the EU's scruples? If you aren't, why not?

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Apr 17 3.55pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Isnt TTIP evil? Isn't Trump evil?

If the EU are prepared to negotiate a rehashed TTIP deal with that [insert -phobe description] Trump, are you still thinking the EU are a trustworthy, ethical and 'progressive' partner? Surely you should be questioning the EU's scruples? If you aren't, why not?

You are nuts.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Apr 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

You are nuts.

You can't answer the questions? What a surprise.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Apr 17 5.02pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

You can't answer the questions? What a surprise.

The rule is that countries do not interfere in one an others affairs.

The USA choose their President and the EU choose their leaders.

What can be remotely unethical about trade talks between them.

I was a bit short ok

 

Stirlingsays Flag 22 Apr 17 5.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That's a bit silly nobody including the USA knows what our future is so how can they conclude a free trade deal.

Really?....no one knows what our future is? We are leaving the EU...We still have a skills based economy heavy on financial services.

It's more about intent than the details.

Trump is certainly more pro British than Obama ever was...just as the right are in general more pro the nation state than the left.

The modern day left have done more for foreigners than the British working class.....It's mostly why they have abandoned the party.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 5.51pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Really?....no one knows what our future is? We are leaving the EU...We still have a skills based economy heavy on financial services.

It's more about intent than the details.

Trump is certainly more pro British than Obama ever was...just as the right are in general more pro the EU state than the left.

The modern day left have done more for foreigners than the British working class.....It's mostly why they have abandoned the party.


Are you suggesting the left are unpatriotic.

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