It's a good point.

I must remember next time they have the last night of the proms on the television....at which point did anyone say they are English/British and that this is a celebration principally for the British.

I must remember next time they have a Palace home game...at which point did anyone in the home stands actually say they were Palace fans.....those flags could be cunning tricks.

I mean....I regularly see Indians in large numbers waving pakistani flags at protests and chanting 'pakistan'......happens all the time.

What was I thinking.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2019 8.42pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Sadly I can't find it on line. One of the best Goodness Gracious Me sketches - don't blame it on the sunshine, don't blame it on the good times, blame it on the Muslims.

It appears you didn't realise that was supposed to be comedy

I must remember to blame the Methodists for the next truck of peace.

It's a good sketch....and like most good comedy there's a core of truth in there. However, maybe you'd reflect upon that when discussing that other older Abrahamic religion.

Oh...and some pakistanis are atheists....just to let you know.....just not publicly in pakistan.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2019 9.31pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

That article turns out far funnier than the actual joke.....yep, Britain has fallen to that despicable generation of social liberals and their self entitled and self obsessed kids and our reputation for comedy has fallen like a stone......All our best stuff is now from non infected previous generations.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2019 9.59pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

What on Earth are you on about?

Jammu and Kashmir split three ways, the majority belongs to India, then pakistan and some China.

So you have Indian Kashmiris, pakistani Kashmiris and Chinese Kashmiris.

Many would like to see reintegration. But at the moment someone born in Indian Kashmir is Indian. I thought you said you understood the situation. The Indian Kashmiri diaspora in the UK is small. I may be wrong but believe many of the protesters were from that diaspora. They may well also have included pakistanis who have never agreed with the original division of Kashmir. Kashmir has become a highly symbolic cause.

As previously stated I know a small number of Indian Kashmiris. They have never been pakistani. Kashmir wasn’t originally pakistani before being divided.

Edited by Mapletree (19 Aug 2019 10.31pm)

Where you are born does not define a person in the sense you have been using.....it just doesn't.

As stated, there are plenty of people born in England...thanks to a mix of social and neo liberal politics.....who don't identify as English....it's a quickly increasing percent of the population.

Rudyard Kipling was born in India.....Do you regard him as Indian? David Gower was born in India as was Spike Milligan, Joanna Lumley and Cliff Richard.

Keanu Reeves was born in the Lebanon.....Bruce Willis in Germany.

None of them are those nationalities......pakistanis born in Kashmir, regardless of which divide they are on are pakistanis....not Indians.

Identity is both genetic and cultural....genetically they have little difference but culturally for the majority you'd do well to find a larger gulf.

This is a bit surreal....it falls to me to defend the national heritage of pakistanis.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2019 10.51pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

In what universe are Indians, born in India, who may well have never entered pakistan, who have Indian parents and who have no pakistani antecedents pakistani?

70% of the population of Kashmir and Jammu is Indian. They always have been.

I've kind of answered this.

The terrorism and body count in Kashmir also answers this.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

After the Euro elections I complained about a BBC article which showed that the Remain parties had actually won. I can't remember if I posted on this thread or the Brexit thread. The response I got from the BBC was to deny my complaint however according to the Daily mail the BBC now acknowledges it was wrong.

I am not expecting another email apologising and in the scheme of things it is not that important however it is the constant drip drip anti Brexit bias that concerns me.

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One more point

Australian magazine publishes wrong image of black model

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