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eulalio Flag Girls just wanna have Funt 14 Jul 05 5.01pm

Roughly 30 children were killed in a suicide bomb attack in Iraq yesterday. CHILDREN.

How low do they have to go before someone questions whether this really is Godly behaviour? How twisted does their sense of morality and reality have to be, to enable them to carry out such an act?

Just when you think you've seen it all eh.

 

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kav Flag The Helicopter View 14 Jul 05 5.04pm

Yesterday`s story was just horrible.They all are but....

 

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thornton-heath eagle 14 Jul 05 9.26pm

Quote furrybloke at 14 Jul 2005 11:06am

& as for Chicken Tikka Massala, you will find if you do the research this is a LONDON dish, I understand in India they do not have the sauce that we have just spiced meat, maybe I am wrong so please feel free to correct me.


They have been cooking dishes like this for centuries, as they have all the spices there, where we only got them through trading when the sea traders were passing by England. Just because someone here gave it its name it doesn't mean it becomes a London or UK dish!

 

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thornton-heath eagle 14 Jul 05 9.31pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2005 11:15am

Quote Balham Burner at 14 Jul 2005 11:11am

I thought you meant Monghuls (spelling?)!! As in Genghis Khan....

Edited by Balham Burner (14 Jul 2005 11:12am)

The Moguls were different to the Mongols.

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However, the Mogul's/Mughal's were descendants of the Mongols....


....as am I!

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Jul 05 9.56pm

Life is cheap in some places. And there is an element trying to introduce that philosophy into the Western World.

I'm not going to attempt to replicate the many thoughts of either you or Pete, but I would just say one thing - '' when in Rome do as the Romans do '' - a familiar saying, I think.

If people choose to live in this country they should integrate into it - that doesn't mean totally abandoning all their traditional values - but ultimately it is clear that certain cultures are at odds with our long standing ones.

If people - of any race, colour or creed can't accept our values and our culture then they should go elsewhere rather than impose themselves on us.

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 14 Jul 2005 5:01pm

Roughly 30 children were killed in a suicide bomb attack in Iraq yesterday. CHILDREN.

How low do they have to go before someone questions whether this really is Godly behaviour? How twisted does their sense of morality and reality have to be, to enable them to carry out such an act?

Just when you think you've seen it all eh.


 

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wollongongeagle Flag wollongong 15 Jul 05 7.08am

I just wanted to say thanks to all contributors to this and other threads that have discussed the London bombings. Reading through these threads and seeing the wide array of opinions and reactions from a bunch of everyday Brits has allowed me a much closer understanding and involvement in these calamitous events in our city, at a time when I’ve felt isolated by “the tyranny of distance.”

It has been far more enlightening than any of the standard media coverage, precisely because it has come from a composite of the glorious fabric of society, and not the purveyors of public opinion.

Situations of violence and hostility often develop when you get two opposing streams of thoughts from strong minded individuals or groups who, for historical reasons, often valid although sometimes forgotten in the mists, are not prepared to even try to communicate any more. At times, this thread has been an interesting, and dare I say it, entertaining, microcosm of this very concept.

Thanks again.

RIP the victims of 7/7. May peace soon be with their families and friends and all those injured and otherwise affected.

 

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wollongongeagle Flag wollongong 15 Jul 05 7.35am

Quote wollongongeagle at 15 Jul 2005 7:08am

opinions and reactions from a bunch of everyday Brits has allowed me a much closer understanding

And Belgians, Americans, Englishmen etc.

 

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furrybloke Flag Hemel Hempstead 15 Jul 05 8.16am

Quote thornton-heath eagle at 14 Jul 2005 9:26pm

Quote furrybloke at 14 Jul 2005 11:06am

& as for Chicken Tikka Massala, you will find if you do the research this is a LONDON dish, I understand in India they do not have the sauce that we have just spiced meat, maybe I am wrong so please feel free to correct me.


They have been cooking dishes like this for centuries, as they have all the spices there, where we only got them through trading when the sea traders were passing by England. Just because someone here gave it its name it doesn't mean it becomes a London or UK dish!

Chicken Tikka Massala in the form you by from the curry house is an english dish, in India they make similar without the sauce as with most of the curries now, they were westernised for our tastes

 
cpfc-rjd Flag Beckenham and the BBS 15 Jul 05 8.20am

It appears that the 'mastermind' of the bombings entered the UK via a channel port and left hours before the bombings.

He was a known Al-Queda operative and was on a security services 'watch list', however, the security services have told reporters that he was not a sufficiently high risk target to warrant observation. (This was confirmed as broadly correct by Ian Blair on Today this morning.)

I've got a crazy idea...don't let the c*** into the country! Simple as that. Why do we allow these sum here and then decide if we have the resources to watch them? They should be banned form entering this country. We’re a f***ing island for god’s sake!

Our borders are a f***ing joke. We've got 500,00 people here and we don't know who they are, when they got here or where they live!

Also, the 250 known people who've been to Afghanistan training camps. Where should they be? In prison. If you go to an Al-Queda camp, you have , IMO, relinquished your right to live in this country. You are a threat to us and should be either locked yup or deported.


Political correctness and the political classes have crippled this country and failed us all. Where we were once strong, now we are weak. . We need to get serious and ask these incompetent idiots(Tony & Ian) to start taking our safety seriously.


Edited by cpfc-rjd (15 Jul 2005 8:22am)

 

"Her very Lowness with her head in a sling
I'm truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing"

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cpfc-rjd Flag Beckenham and the BBS 15 Jul 05 9.24am

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 15 Jul 2005 9:15am

The world stopped for 2 minutes for 50 Londoners yesterday, but who stopped for even a moment for 20 Iraqi kids? Nobody is even counting their dead - and while they remain deemed worth less than us, they will fight back. I'd expect us to do the same if it happened to us.


I'm not a supporter of the war on Iraq (and never was, I marched against the war) but you must accept that it's these idiot loony Muslims that are, for the most part, killing the Iraqi civilians.

If they want to fight back against anyone, they should do so against Al-Queda.


Edited by cpfc-rjd (15 Jul 2005 9:25am)

 

"Her very Lowness with her head in a sling
I'm truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing"

NEITHER LEFT OR RIGHT BUT OUT IN FRONT

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cpfc-rjd Flag Beckenham and the BBS 15 Jul 05 9.28am

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 15 Jul 2005 9:15am

You are worse than the bombers, for you don't even have the courage of your convictions. I wouldn't even wipe you off the sole of my shoe.


I'm not on anyone’s 'side' but that comment is pathetic and insulting to those who've lost their lives.

 

"Her very Lowness with her head in a sling
I'm truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing"

NEITHER LEFT OR RIGHT BUT OUT IN FRONT

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Doogie Flag 15 Jul 05 9.39am

"We MUST understand - but not condone or excuse - the motivations for these murders," - HMHS

Perhaps constructive debate and discussion might follow if you attempted to 'understand' why individuals to the right of you politically and ideologically feel the way that they do about some of these issues.

 
Lee McB Flag Van Basten's nephew... 15 Jul 05 10.08am

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 15 Jul 2005 9:15am
We can never be 100% sure what motivated those four twisted souls, but we can be pretty sure that Iraq - where this country's forces contribute to a 7/7 every single day - was a major factor.


You obviously know a lot more than me on things so I'm not going to bother getting too in-depth, but last time I checked none of our armed forces were strapping bombs to themselves and attempting to kill innocent people.

I know innocent people have unfortunately died in Iraq, but the armed forces didn't set out to do that in the same way these suicide bombers did in London, and elsewhere in the World.

How can we also be "pretty sure" that Iraq was a major factor? These bombers may not have given a toss about what happened in Iraq. But they may have used it as an excuse. Why were the Towers bombed on September 11th? Was a reason needed then, or did they just want to cause hurt and suffering to the Americans?

As for George Galloway, how cold-hearted can you be to effectively say "I told you so" just hours after the bombings took place? I've always expected London to be targetted, Iraq or not. He may know his stuff and have some strong beliefs, but all I see is someone shamefully using the war in Iraq to boost their own ego and detract from their own short-comings.

Edited by Moose (19 Jul 2005 9:47am)

 

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Balham Burner Flag 15 Jul 05 10.15am

George Galloway is scum.

On 7/7/05 he couldn't even wait until the bodies were cold before he sought to gain publicity for his stalinist/Arabist views.

If Bin Laden was at Calais with an Army people like Galloway would be waiting at Dover, cheering them on.

Total :-w

 
npn Flag Crowborough 15 Jul 05 10.18am

There's a lot there I could comment on, but I'm way too busy unfortunately.

One of many issue I have with that is why should the US withdraw from Kuwait, where it was invited to provide protection, simply because a bunch of terrorists say so? That would be total capitulation to the terrorist scum.

I don't know figures, but I'd be very interested to know the proportion of everyday Iraqis who'd rather the troops hadn't gone in versus those who want them out. Should they withdraw simply because those that want them out are more extreme, have bombs, and are willing to use them (against anybody - even their own children)?

They're very much "damned if you do, damned if you don't" - if they withdraw now, they'll be slated if Iraq descends into mayhem for not providing security, if they don't, they're an illegal occupying army.

 
npn Flag Crowborough 15 Jul 05 10.27am

One more thing - the next time a regime decides to gas it's own civilians for being of the wrong ethnic background (Iraq) 'ethnically cleanse' itself (the Balkans) or any number of other hideous crimes which go on around the world which the west has seen fit to get involved in, should we want nothing to do with it, in case we make ourselves targets for extremists?

No, I'm not daft enough to believe that Iraq's human rights were the main reason we went in, but I'm trying to make a point.

That loony right winger whose name I can't recall who nail bombed Brick Lane, Brixton, and the Admiral Duncan - surely we made ourselves targets by allowing asians (Brick Lane), West Indians (Brixton) and gay people (the Admiral Duncan) to 'roam free' in our country - shouldn't we, by your argument, have capitulated to him as well? I hope we NEVER go down that road!

 
cpfc-rjd Flag Beckenham and the BBS 15 Jul 05 10.40am

Quote Balham Burner at 15 Jul 2005 10:15am

George Galloway is scum.

On 7/7/05 he couldn't even wait until the bodies were cold before he sought to gain publicity for his stalinist/Arabist views.

If Bin Laden was at Calais with an Army people like Galloway would be waiting at Dover, cheering them on.

Total :-w

That's a bit of a misrepresentation of his views. BB, you and your labvour friends are probably still smarting from the Uber Blair Babe Oona's defeat to gorgeous George and it must still hurt (btw that election battle was dirty on BOTH sides.)

Here's Galloway's statement:

"We extend our condolences to those who have lost their lives today and our heartfelt sympathy to all those who have been injured by the bombs in London.

No one can condone acts of violence aimed at working people going about their daily lives. They have not been a party to, nor are they responsible for, the decisions of their government. They are entirely innocent and we condemn those who have killed or injured them.

The loss of innocent lives, whether in this country or Iraq, is precisely the result of a world that has become a less safe and peaceful place in recent years.

We have worked without rest to remove the causes of such violence from our world. We argued, as did the Security Services in this country, that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners have now paid the price of the government ignoring such warnings.

We urge the government to remove people in this country from harms way, as the Spanish government acted to remove its people from harm, by ending the occupation of Iraq and by turning its full attention to the development of a real solution to the wider conflicts in the Middle East.

Only then will the innocents here and abroad be able to enjoy a life free of the threat of needless violence."

George Galloway, Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow

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This doesn't condone the attacks at all.

PS. He's not a Stalinist, but more of a Trotskyist if anything (as are the SWP.)

 

"Her very Lowness with her head in a sling
I'm truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing"

NEITHER LEFT OR RIGHT BUT OUT IN FRONT

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Balham Burner Flag 15 Jul 05 10.47am

"Only then will the innocents here and abroad be able to enjoy a life free of the threat of needless violence"

There is such a thing as nuance rjd - GG is clever enough not to be explicit. His message is obvious though - although I've never said he "condoned" the attacks.

I always thought he was a stalinist rather than Trotskyite - same difference though really.

I know people who worked in Bethnal Green and Bow for Oona King in the election, which included Iraqi Trade Unionists. His activists were alledgedly going round houses telling muslim voters not to vote for Oona King because she was Jewish.

Total scum.

Edited by Balham Burner (15 Jul 2005 10:52am)

 
cpfc-rjd Flag Beckenham and the BBS 15 Jul 05 10.52am

Quote Balham Burner at 15 Jul 2005 10:47am

"Only then will the innocents here and abroad be able to enjoy a life free of the threat of needless violence"

There is such a thing as nuance rjd - GG is clever enough not to be explicit. His message is obvious though - although I've never said he "condoned" the attacks (unlike his support for attacks against Israel).

I always thought he was a stalinist rather than Trotskyite - same difference though really.

I know people who worked in Bethnal Green and Bow in the election. His activists were alledgedly going round Bengali houses telling them not to vote for Oona King because she was Jewish.

Total scum.

Edited by Balham Burner (15 Jul 2005 10:48am)


As I said, BOTH parties used dodgy tactics in BG.

GG may be a leftie but he doesn't support Al-Queda and to say he does is frankly ludicrous. If anything, Respect is designed to get young radical Muslims involved in politics rather than fundamentalism. This is something that Al-Queda et al despise.

Stalinism and Trotskyism are very different. In the old days, as a Labour man you'd have known that!

 

"Her very Lowness with her head in a sling
I'm truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing"

NEITHER LEFT OR RIGHT BUT OUT IN FRONT

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npn Flag Crowborough 15 Jul 05 10.56am

Oooh - infighting between the lefties!!

 
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