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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 07 May 17 7.58pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Yes really. It's very much your MO: insinuations that everything is a Brexit disaster, because we got the decision "wrong". Let there be no doubt you will be smugly posting your "evidence" when any given event appears to sate your confirmation bias. Or indeed re-posting 4-month old news. Anyone would think you're desperate to deflect from the realities: the EU is exposing itself for the nasty, petty, belligerent failed political experiment that many (note: not all) whom voted for Brexit saw it for. With each leak, each petty swipe ("English is losing importance in Europe (sic)" So, "best negotiator"? According to who? Can you cite your sources? Cameron's aides seemed to think he was pretty 5hit: "Cameron’s aides complained that Rogers dominated the negotiation process and was too quick to take ‘no’ for an answer." Presumably he's "best" in your eyes, because he'd willingly capitulate to each and every demand and give nothing back. We need 5th columnists like him like we need a hole in the head. It's arguable that someone with such a good understanding of the machinations of the EU would be best place to see if brexit ministers had a clue or not. He didn't want to be a part of it as they weren't listening.
Changing subject, is the Macron victory in France going to help us towards Brexit. It could be argued that the French electorate chose a more EU centric candidate.
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, with each proclamation at their unwillingness to accept divergent view, the global community are seeing it for what it is: profligate, corrupt, vindictive, myopic and protectionist. Kermit8  Hevon 07 May 17 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Price of beer could fall by 20p a pint following Brexit: Stick that up your 'bonnet du douche', Juncker. And there I was thinking how cheap booze is compared to the UK when abroad in Europe but if we are going to lose 20...yes, 20p...then I would hav ebeen in the Brexit camp from day one!
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 May 17 8.21pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
And there I was thinking how cheap booze is compared to the UK when abroad in Europe but if we are going to lose 20...yes, 20p...then I would hav ebeen in the Brexit camp from day one! You're not welcome in the Brexit camp. Stick to the moaning self righteous know it all camp. You, Tim Fallon, Tony Blair, Bob Geldof and Peter Mandelson can all have a nice circle jerk about whom is more cross with the 'ignorance' of the population.
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| davenotamonkey 07 May 17 8.21pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It's arguable that someone with such a good understanding of the machinations of the EU would be best place to see if brexit ministers had a clue or not. He didn't want to be a part of it as they weren't listening.
Changing subject, is the Macron victory in France going to help us towards Brexit. It could be argued that the French electorate chose a more EU centric candidate. Yes, I'll let you wriggle off the hook. Two sides, indeed. I'm more than happy with Tim Barrow - he's eminently qualified and experienced, and appears not to have gorged on the EU koolaid. As for Macron: "EU centric"?? Hahahahaha. Yeah. He's been actively endorsed by the EU. He's not "EU centric", he's a raging EUphile: pro mass-immigration, pro globalisation, pro EU. An odd position for the "anti-establishment". I'll assume you didn't watch the most recent debate. He cited the EUR60bn Brexit punishment beating in that, so I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions what kind of line he'll take in the negotiations (perhaps he should retain legal counsul to check the legality of the punishment payment though). This is going to be great. Macron is basically a Blairite PR stunt without the policy. A French Trudeau (whom the Canadians are now seeing through) they are stuck with for 5 years.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 07 May 17 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You're not welcome in the Brexit camp. Stick to the moaning self righteous know it all camp. You, Tim Fallon, Tony Blair, Bob Geldof and Peter Mandelson can all have a nice circle jerk about whom is more cross with the 'ignorance' of the population. How very elitist you are.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 May 17 9.06pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Yes, I'll let you wriggle off the hook. Two sides, indeed. I'm more than happy with Tim Barrow - he's eminently qualified and experienced, and appears not to have gorged on the EU koolaid. As for Macron: "EU centric"?? Hahahahaha. Yeah. He's been actively endorsed by the EU. He's not "EU centric", he's a raging EUphile: pro mass-immigration, pro globalisation, pro EU. An odd position for the "anti-establishment". I'll assume you didn't watch the most recent debate. He cited the EUR60bn Brexit punishment beating in that, so I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions what kind of line he'll take in the negotiations (perhaps he should retain legal counsul to check the legality of the punishment payment though). This is going to be great. Macron is basically a Blairite PR stunt without the policy. A French Trudeau (whom the Canadians are now seeing through) they are stuck with for 5 years. He did come across a bit 'call me Tony'.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 May 17 9.12pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
He did come across a bit 'call me Tony'. Back to HOL radio you. Teacher, Radio Host, Political Pundit, Father, Homeowner, Union Rep. I really don't know how you cram so much into 24 Hours?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 May 17 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Back to HOL radio you. Teacher, Radio Host, Political activist , Father, Homeowner, Union Rep. I really don't know how you cram so much into 24 Hours? EFA Dont forget Palace. They take up a bit of time too. And you forgot I work on top of that.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 May 17 12.00am |
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Great article about Cadbury, Poland and the EU. [Link]
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 May 17 4.43am |
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Let's start posting FACTS and not GUESS WORK from remoaners about the economy once we Brexit. Canadian pension fund PSP boss Andre Bourbonnais: We've picked London as our base as it'll be Europe's financial heartland after Brexit [Link] AND... [Tweet Link]
Edited by Penge Eagle (12 May 2017 4.56am)
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| davenotamonkey 12 May 17 9.03am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Let's start posting FACTS and not GUESS WORK from remoaners about the economy once we Brexit. Canadian pension fund PSP boss Andre Bourbonnais: We've picked London as our base as it'll be Europe's financial heartland after Brexit [Link] AND... [Tweet Link]
Edited by Penge Eagle (12 May 2017 4.56am) So that's a £4.6bn investment from one of the world's biggest pension funds. You can guarantee if a £4.6bn pension fund withdrew from the UK, it would be heralded with apocalyptic trumpeting on the Financial Times EU-nutjobs' front page. Funny how it gets absolutely zero mention when they chose their European base here, though. It must really have hurt to lead with that SoftBank investment. Then, not even 2 weeks ago, the Pershing Square Holdings hedge fund (£3.5bn) listed on the Stock Exchange after pulling out of Amsterdam: Terrible times.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 May 17 9.23am |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
So that's a £4.6bn investment from one of the world's biggest pension funds. You can guarantee if a £4.6bn pension fund withdrew from the UK, it would be heralded with apocalyptic trumpeting on the Financial Times EU-nutjobs' front page. Funny how it gets absolutely zero mention when they chose their European base here, though. It must really have hurt to lead with that SoftBank investment. Then, not even 2 weeks ago, the Pershing Square Holdings hedge fund (£3.5bn) listed on the Stock Exchange after pulling out of Amsterdam: Terrible times. Listing on the LSE isn't investment in the UK. You can be a foreign registered company, do no business in the UK, pay no tax in the UK and be London listed. Also they've not pulled out of Amsterdam, they just have a dual listing. It's a move just to attract more investment in their company, not into the British economy. Yes they will pay listing fees and have to meet compliance requirements but this isn't some sort of massive boost to the economy. Something that has more of an impact on our economy: Worsened trade deficit despite the weak pound. Sluggish growth due to consumers spending less. Our economy is not fit for Brexit. Sure, London may provide a good place for a pension fund to have an office due to the cheap pound. But the fact is that 28 jobs, half of them for Canadian immigrants, in financial services isn't a signal of a Brexit that works for Britain. The pension fund will be targeting real estate in a big way given the value of the pound, which is probably the real reason they chose London. This will just dilute UK ownership of UK property and mean UK businesses will pay rent to Canadian pensioners, meaning a flow of resources out of our economy. Also looking at their portfolio, none of their top 10 holdings are British companies. Quelle surprise.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 12 May 17 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I don't think money is going into the pockets of ordinary Greek people. Thats EXACTLY where its going and why their economy is fcuked...the amount of tax avoidance in the country is stupendous...with everyone taking a cut before it gets to their Treasury.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 12 May 17 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Report by big Law firm Freshfields. Main takeaway - Financial Services won't be ready for Brexit in 2019 and: "According to the report’s findings, UK companies want the government to focus on maintaining flexibility in cross-border employment rights " i.e. they don't want reduced immigration. The Tories aren't the kind of party that will disappoint on this kind of thing. is that your own interpretation as to what they mean...or are they quoted as saying that? The only reason i ask is that haven't the Tories said enough times that there will still be immigration...just that those that have the necessary skill sets will be given precedence (?)
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 May 17 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
is that your own interpretation as to what they mean...or are they quoted as saying that? The only reason i ask is that haven't the Tories said enough times that there will still be immigration...just that those that have the necessary skill sets will be given precedence (?) My own interpretation. Hence the use of i.e. I can't see the shape of immigration altering much post Brexit.
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| davenotamonkey 12 May 17 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Listing on the LSE isn't investment in the UK. You can be a foreign registered company, do no business in the UK, pay no tax in the UK and be London listed. Also they've not pulled out of Amsterdam, they just have a dual listing. It's a move just to attract more investment in their company, not into the British economy. Yes they will pay listing fees and have to meet compliance requirements but this isn't some sort of massive boost to the economy. Something that has more of an impact on our economy: Worsened trade deficit despite the weak pound. Sluggish growth due to consumers spending less. Our economy is not fit for Brexit. Sure, London may provide a good place for a pension fund to have an office due to the cheap pound. But the fact is that 28 jobs, half of them for Canadian immigrants, in financial services isn't a signal of a Brexit that works for Britain. The pension fund will be targeting real estate in a big way given the value of the pound, which is probably the real reason they chose London. This will just dilute UK ownership of UK property and mean UK businesses will pay rent to Canadian pensioners, meaning a flow of resources out of our economy. Also looking at their portfolio, none of their top 10 holdings are British companies. Quelle surprise. Multibillion-pound organisations clearly see the UK as an attractive location to do business. In making the decision to locate here, they are expressing confidence in the UK despite your butt-hurt alarmism. Is there any "Brexit that works for Britain" in your eyes, that doesn't involve de facto remaining in the EU? You strike me as hilariously protectionist for someone who worships at the EU altar. It's impressive, the desperation in painting every positive story posted on here as doom and gloom. You must be great fun at parties. Sneer and wail all you like. It's all you'll have come the 9th June.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 May 17 4.40pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Multibillion-pound organisations clearly see the UK as an attractive location to do business. In making the decision to locate here, they are expressing confidence in the UK despite your butt-hurt alarmism. Is there any "Brexit that works for Britain" in your eyes, that doesn't involve de facto remaining in the EU? You strike me as hilariously protectionist for someone who worships at the EU altar. It's impressive, the desperation in painting every positive story posted on here as doom and gloom. You must be great fun at parties. Sneer and wail all you like. It's all you'll have come the 9th June. I do think it's possible to make Brexit work for Britain, but you have to be realistic over immigration and get the fiscal policy right. The Tories' plans are not, in my opinion, adequate to make a success of it. Their direction of travel will see us worse off economically and socially than we would have been inside the EU. The EU though is in need of reform and if we were able to get a good exit deal for the country as a whole and reform economic policy it could be better outside, but the chances of that appear slim.
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