And don't confuse it with sh*t like right wing people in Hungary looking after "their own" where,as the Council of Europe reported,it manifests as:"the hatred and vitriol that Jews, homosexuals, Roma, migrants and other groups encounter."

Go back to my post in question.Its about the reality of the hatred in Hungary towards fellow citizen Roma,Jews,gay people.....as well as migrants.

Then read your response.Perfect right or perfect example of extreme right wing sh*t?

You'd have fitted in perfectly in the NF in the 1970's or Mosley in the 1930's with the kind of ideology you espouse today.

As Mosley put it in answer to the question, what alterations, if any, will you make in the laws governing the immigration of alien races into Great Britain ?

"All immigration will be stopped. Britain for the British, is our motto, and all of Britain is required for the British.

...It should not be necessary to secure British racial purity by act of law. It should only be necessary by education and propaganda to teach the British what racial mixtures are bad. If a Briton understands that some action is bad for his race he will not do it. With the British this is a matter for the teacher rather than the legislator, but if legislation was ever necessary to preserve the race, Fascism would not hesitate to introduce it."

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Being a leftie I'm not surprised I have to explain this to you. You probably don't identify with it.

The feeling that the culture around you shares a national identity and allegiance to the country around it.. It's a feeling that your living spaces exist as supporting that culture rather than becoming a confused mess of multiculturalism.

No, 'point of perfection'...Many parts of the country haven't been ruined by the over population and mess that multiculturalism brings....They could see it coming...London was a big advert for it..That's a large part of why Brexit happened.

Who taught you history? The Norman invasion was in 1066 was obviously contested and opposition to the Normans in various forms was strong for hundreds of years. That's the reason the North was practically destroyed and the South became the centre of power.

You are just wrong.

The evolution of English as the primary language of England gains momentum in the reign of Edward III, with the beginning of the Hundred Years War. From the 1360s onwards we see a rather sudden flowering of poetry at and around the royal court in French styles but written in English - Chaucer and Gower being two of the most prominent poets associated with the court who chose to write in English rather than French. In 1362 the Chancellor opened Parliament in English for the first time and it was decreed that court proceedings now be in English as well. By 1404 it was decreed that all negotiations with the French be in Latin rather than French. In the first half of the Fifteenth Century private letters by the aristocracy switched from being written in French to English.

I myself am English as I was born and raised here. My father's line is Irish. It's about the culture you are raised in. This collectively is Britain. The only confusion as too this point appears to come from yourself.

Don't tell me what is valid for me to feel.

I lived in Britain before it suffered from large scale immigration and I live in it now. You may not recognise national identity but I do. You carry on with your mythical non national identity.

By the way, do you subscribe to this 'mythical sense of national identity' to all nationalities?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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"The repeal of the 1972 Act will not take effect until the UK leaves the EU under Article 50.
It will be contained in a "Great Repeal Bill", promised in the next Queen's Speech, which will also enshrine all existing EU law into British law."

This is something positive. The successful EU-directives re:environment (cleaner beaches, etc) and anti-pollution laws, for example, will have to be kept unless they are individually repealed later on. Environment Agency still loses on the grants side of things though unless the government makes up the difference which I doubt they will.

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The feeling that the culture around you shares a national identity and allegiance to the country around it

There has never been a point when our identity wasn't changing. Even the most quintessentially British things such as Fish and Chips are foreign imports. We aren't "becoming a confused mess" we have always been a confused mess and that is one of our strengths as a nation.

No, 'point of perfection'...Many parts of the country haven't been ruined by the over population and mess that multiculturalism brings....They could see it coming...London was a big advert for it..That's a large part of why Brexit happened.

Its ironic that the places least experiencing immigration were the strongest supporters of Brexit. As for why Brexit happended. Two reasons. One is a failure of the EU to address things like companies such as Next who were only advertising roles outside the UK and only addressing the needs of those who were willing to move around Europe. The other was economic inequality which resulted in a big f*** You to the political establishment.

We have a royal family who have been speaking French for longer they have been speaking English; where does that fit into your idea of national identity.

Who taught you history?

If abuse is all you have so be it. The fact is that the cultural norms you want to return to aren't there. the bedrock (allegedly) if our country, the monarchy have never been very British and have - as I said - Been speaking French for longer than they have English. _ I presume you know full well I was I was referring to them. They only became the House of Windsor because it was becoming embarrassing to be the House of Hannover.

There was opposition but there was no NARIONAL resistance. You could make the case that England didn't exist (as opposed to a group of regional kings) until the Domesday book was produced.

I myself am English as I was born and raised here. My father's line is Irish. It's about the culture you are raised in. This collectively is Britain. The only confusion as too this point appears to come from yourself.

My question is whether you think the Irish are in or our of this mythical unified national culture. By your logic they should be out.

Don't tell me what is valid for me to feel.

you have simply made up a point I haven't made.

By the way, do you subscribe to this 'mythical sense of national identity' to all nationalities?

For the most part it is almost universally wrong. It is at its vilest in the US where one set of immigrants seek to write out of their history every other immigrant

I wasn't saying that no one was Speaking in English. Certainly by the end of the 15th Century it had clearly becomes the second language and Henry V was the first who could write in English (he died in 1422)

Was I exaggerating, just a little, but the point is still valid. This unified culture of Olde England never existed and has always been in a state of flux.