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Stirlingsays 10 Dec 20 3.50pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Wouldn't know about Eminem using it, I don't listen to his music. But he shouldn't. And no, that isn't the definition of racism. Treating someone differently because of the colour of their skin isn't racist, showing prejudice against someone for their skin colour, is. I'd ask again for those asking "why can't I say it?", Why they would want to? It's a highly derogatory word used in the past to dehumanise black people and a discussion far more historically complex for discussion on a football forum. There is a difference between the "-a" and "-er" variants Looks like you're the type to decides what racism is depending upon how you feel about it. However, unfortunately for you racism is treating people differently due to their ethnicity. It doesn't change because you're non white. You just prefer anti white definitions because it gets you off the hook. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 3.51pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

10 Dec 20 3.50pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Wouldn't know about Eminem using it, I don't listen to his music. But he shouldn't.

And no, that isn't the definition of racism. Treating someone differently because of the colour of their skin isn't racist, showing prejudice against someone for their skin colour, is.

I'd ask again for those asking "why can't I say it?", Why they would want to? It's a highly derogatory word used in the past to dehumanise black people and a discussion far more historically complex for discussion on a football forum.

There is a difference between the "-a" and "-er" variants

Looks like you're the type to decides what racism is depending upon how you feel about it.

However, unfortunately for you racism is treating people differently due to their ethnicity. It doesn't change because you're non white.

You just prefer anti white definitions because it gets you off the hook.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 3.51pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.01pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle It still comes back to why should anyone use it? If you hear a song and have to find out who sang it to establish whether the lyrics are acceptable it’s not working. Everyone agrees it’s unpleasant so why not drop it. You're asking me, like I actually use the word. But I'll indulge...have you heard of the term "speech community?" La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.01pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It still comes back to why should anyone use it? If you hear a song and have to find out who sang it to establish whether the lyrics are acceptable it’s not working. Everyone agrees it’s unpleasant so why not drop it.

You're asking me, like I actually use the word.

But I'll indulge...have you heard of the term "speech community?"

La la la your mum

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 10 Dec 20 4.02pm
Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall interestingly, was a very common term for a paint colour up until as recent as the mid 80s. It would be on Dulux, crown colour charts(& Ripolin for those old enough to remember) Personally, I've not heard it from anybody since I worked with a very rough floor laying team from Bristol at the hospital we was painting in the 90s. (just films & rap music now) I dont mix with a particulary genteel crowd either, general consensus is its just not done, obviously other unflattering words get used in certain company for all & sundry, but i've struggled to recall any use of it bar the rough bristol boys decades ago. "The History of Painting" by KDOTW. Available now on Amazon. (But not in the Art section). Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 10 Dec 20 4.02pm

Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall

interestingly, was a very common term for a paint colour up until as recent as the mid 80s.
It would be on Dulux, crown colour charts(& Ripolin for those old enough to remember)

Personally, I've not heard it from anybody since I worked with a very rough floor laying team from Bristol at the hospital we was painting in the 90s.
(just films & rap music now)
I dont mix with a particulary genteel crowd either, general consensus is its just not done, obviously other unflattering words get used in certain company for all & sundry, but i've struggled to recall any use of it bar the rough bristol boys decades ago.

"The History of Painting" by KDOTW. Available now on Amazon. (But not in the Art section).

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Eaglecoops CR3 10 Dec 20 4.05pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 You're asking me, like I actually use the word. But I'll indulge...have you heard of the term "speech community?" I have, but we have had to change much of what we used to say to fit in with the people who have moved to our country. Now wouldn’t it be nice if they did the same.

Eaglecoops

CR3 10 Dec 20 4.05pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

You're asking me, like I actually use the word.

But I'll indulge...have you heard of the term "speech community?"

I have, but we have had to change much of what we used to say to fit in with the people who have moved to our country. Now wouldn’t it be nice if they did the same.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.09pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Looks like you're the type to decides what racism is depending upon how you feel about it. However, unfortunately for you racism is treating people differently due to their ethnicity. It doesn't change because you're non white. You just prefer anti white definitions because it gets you off the hook. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 3.51pm) Nothing you say makes sense, but you're deflecting your own racism. All I've done is question why a white person would want to use a derogatory term for a black person but the only answer I receive is "whataboutery". Racism isn't treating someone differently because of race, it's being prejudiced against them because of their race. If for example, I went into a European barber shop, they'd send me across to another barber who could cut my hair. Not racist in the slightest but would be by your own, confused definition of racism. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Looks like you're the type to decides what racism is depending upon how you feel about it.

However, unfortunately for you racism is treating people differently due to their ethnicity. It doesn't change because you're non white.

You just prefer anti white definitions because it gets you off the hook.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 3.51pm)

Nothing you say makes sense, but you're deflecting your own racism. All I've done is question why a white person would want to use a derogatory term for a black person but the only answer I receive is "whataboutery".

Racism isn't treating someone differently because of race, it's being prejudiced against them because of their race. If for example, I went into a European barber shop, they'd send me across to another barber who could cut my hair. Not racist in the slightest but would be by your own, confused definition of racism.

La la la your mum

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.13pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops I have, but we have had to change much of what we used to say to fit in with the people who have moved to our country. Now wouldn’t it be nice if they did the same. We, our, they... I was born in this country mate, members of my family were brought over here to prop up the healthcare system, and to fight for this country in the war, I've paid tax for as long as I've been able to, it's as much mine as it is yours. What it is that "they" used to say that "they" need to change, to do the same? La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.13pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I have, but we have had to change much of what we used to say to fit in with the people who have moved to our country. Now wouldn’t it be nice if they did the same.

We, our, they...

I was born in this country mate, members of my family were brought over here to prop up the healthcare system, and to fight for this country in the war, I've paid tax for as long as I've been able to, it's as much mine as it is yours.

What it is that "they" used to say that "they" need to change, to do the same?

La la la your mum

Teddy Eagle 10 Dec 20 4.14pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 You're asking me, like I actually use the word. But I'll indulge...have you heard of the term "speech community?" Not so much asking you as asking a rhetorical question. Not sure speech community isn’t more of a linguistic categorisation than a racial one.

Teddy Eagle

10 Dec 20 4.14pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

You're asking me, like I actually use the word.

But I'll indulge...have you heard of the term "speech community?"

Not so much asking you as asking a rhetorical question.
Not sure speech community isn’t more of a linguistic categorisation than a racial one.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Dec 20 4.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Looks like you're the type to decides what racism is depending upon how you feel about it. However, unfortunately for you racism is treating people differently due to their ethnicity. It doesn't change because you're non white. You just prefer anti white definitions because it gets you off the hook. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 3.51pm) I listened to many debates on that Sunday talk show on BBC1, ‘The Big Questions.’ While Kehinde Andrews was spitting bile across the floor he was trying, and failing, to argue that racism only exists if the person on the receiving end is the oppressed or something. It’s complete BS. The people who agree with this on a different day will say racism is simply racism or label and cancel someone as racist because they’ve made a minor slip up rather than they did something racist on this occasion. It’s such a load of cr&p, no wonder normal people aren’t giving it the time they might do if they just concentrated on specifics that can bring positive changes. Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 4.27pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Dec 20 4.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Looks like you're the type to decides what racism is depending upon how you feel about it.

However, unfortunately for you racism is treating people differently due to their ethnicity. It doesn't change because you're non white.

You just prefer anti white definitions because it gets you off the hook.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 3.51pm)

I listened to many debates on that Sunday talk show on BBC1, ‘The Big Questions.’ While Kehinde Andrews was spitting bile across the floor he was trying, and failing, to argue that racism only exists if the person on the receiving end is the oppressed or something. It’s complete BS. The people who agree with this on a different day will say racism is simply racism or label and cancel someone as racist because they’ve made a minor slip up rather than they did something racist on this occasion. It’s such a load of cr&p, no wonder normal people aren’t giving it the time they might do if they just concentrated on specifics that can bring positive changes.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 4.27pm)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 10 Dec 20 4.20pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Not so much asking you as asking a rhetorical question. Not sure speech community isn’t more of a linguistic categorisation than a racial one. It's certainly not a racial categorisation. It's simply a description of a group of people who speak a common language - "the English speaking world" or "the Francophonic world" being but two examples. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 10 Dec 20 4.20pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not so much asking you as asking a rhetorical question.
Not sure speech community isn’t more of a linguistic categorisation than a racial one.

It's certainly not a racial categorisation. It's simply a description of a group of people who speak a common language - "the English speaking world" or "the Francophonic world" being but two examples.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Hrolf The Ganger 10 Dec 20 4.20pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 We, our, they... I was born in this country mate, members of my family were brought over here to prop up the healthcare system, and to fight for this country in the war, I've paid tax for as long as I've been able to, it's as much mine as it is yours. What it is that "they" used to say that "they" need to change, to do the same? Aren't you living in Ibiza then?

Hrolf The Ganger

10 Dec 20 4.20pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

We, our, they...

What it is that "they" used to say that "they" need to change, to do the same?

Aren't you living in Ibiza then?

Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Dec 20 4.23pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Wouldn't know about Eminem using it, I don't listen to his music. But he shouldn't. And no, that isn't the definition of racism. Treating someone differently because of the colour of their skin isn't racist, showing prejudice against someone for their skin colour, is. I'd ask again for those asking "why can't I say it?", Why they would want to? It's a highly derogatory word used in the past to dehumanise black people and a discussion far more historically complex for discussion on a football forum. There is a difference between the "-a" and "-er" variants ‘Treating someone differently because of their skin colour isn’t racist.’ You sure about that? If I said that I’d be hammered, and rightly so. The word sounds the same finishing with either letters. How it’s written lyrics is a cop out. Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 4.29pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Dec 20 4.23pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Wouldn't know about Eminem using it, I don't listen to his music. But he shouldn't.

And no, that isn't the definition of racism. Treating someone differently because of the colour of their skin isn't racist, showing prejudice against someone for their skin colour, is.

There is a difference between the "-a" and "-er" variants

‘Treating someone differently because of their skin colour isn’t racist.’ You sure about that? If I said that I’d be hammered, and rightly so.

The word sounds the same finishing with either letters. How it’s written lyrics is a cop out.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 4.29pm)

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Aren't you living in Ibiza then? Is your first name Hrolf? La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Aren't you living in Ibiza then?

Is your first name Hrolf?

La la la your mum

Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Dec 20 4.26pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Nothing you say makes sense, but you're deflecting your own racism. All I've done is question why a white person would want to use a derogatory term for a black person but the only answer I receive is "whataboutery". Racism isn't treating someone differently because of race, it's being prejudiced against them because of their race. If for example, I went into a European barber shop, they'd send me across to another barber who could cut my hair. Not racist in the slightest but would be by your own, confused definition of racism. Seriously? Using a barber shop example to justify something you’ve said which is illegal or breaks employment laws and things like that. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Dec 20 4.26pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Seriously? Using a barber shop example to justify something you’ve said which is illegal or breaks employment laws and things like that.

COYP

Hrolf The Ganger 10 Dec 20 4.28pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Is your first name Hrolf? Yes. I changed it by deed poll.

Hrolf The Ganger

10 Dec 20 4.28pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Is your first name Hrolf?

Yes. I changed it by deed poll.

Spiderman Horsham 10 Dec 20 4.28pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Is your first name Hrolf?

Spiderman

Horsham 10 Dec 20 4.28pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Is your first name Hrolf?

Belmont 10 Dec 20 4.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Insular world. My life has been far from insular. So what about your life. How often have you been treated unequally? How often have you been insulted using 'racial slurs'? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 3.51pm) I could write a list if you liked but would that make you think about things differently?

Belmont

10 Dec 20 4.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Insular world. My life has been far from insular.

So what about your life. How often have you been treated unequally? How often have you been insulted using 'racial slurs'?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 3.51pm)

I could write a list if you liked but would that make you think about things differently?

Hrolf The Ganger 10 Dec 20 4.30pm
Originally posted by Belmont I could write a list if you liked but would that make you think about things differently? Has it wrecked your life or has it made you stronger? I have always found that adversity has made me stronger.

Hrolf The Ganger

10 Dec 20 4.30pm

Originally posted by Belmont

I could write a list if you liked but would that make you think about things differently?

Has it wrecked your life or has it made you stronger?

I have always found that adversity has made me stronger.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.30pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Seriously? Using a barber shop example to justify something you’ve said which is illegal or breaks employment laws and things like that. Re-read what I said. There is a big difference between treating someone differently and prejudice. I stumbled across a thread in here talking about Palace's first black player, is it racist to celebrate that? Because that would be treating someone differently because of their race, as per your and Stirling's definition. Definitely not illegal. And yes, I have had the barber example happen to me. Took zero offence to it either. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.30pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Seriously? Using a barber shop example to justify something you’ve said which is illegal or breaks employment laws and things like that.

Re-read what I said.
There is a big difference between treating someone differently and prejudice. I stumbled across a thread in here talking about Palace's first black player, is it racist to celebrate that? Because that would be treating someone differently because of their race, as per your and Stirling's definition. Definitely not illegal.

And yes, I have had the barber example happen to me. Took zero offence to it either.

La la la your mum

Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Dec 20 4.31pm
. Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 4.32pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Dec 20 4.31pm

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 4.32pm)

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.32pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes. I changed it by deed poll. Cool. Well madcap isn't my name and currently, I don't live in Ibiza. Unfortunately, I'm sat in my South Norwood flat, 2 mins from Holmesdale Road. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 4.32pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes. I changed it by deed poll.

Cool. Well madcap isn't my name and currently, I don't live in Ibiza. Unfortunately, I'm sat in my South Norwood flat, 2 mins from Holmesdale Road.

La la la your mum

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