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ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 24 May 15 2.38pm

You know exactly what I mean by wrong.
Why do you think being gay is acceptable. Why do you think I should have to accept it. And how the hell do you think I should be questioning my own sexuality just because I have a different opinion on the matter to you. Does embracing homosexuality confirm ones own sexual stance, whatever that may be!?

All because two adults consent to something doesn't mean it's ok.


 
coulsdoneagle Flag London 24 May 15 2.43pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 2.38pm

You know exactly what I mean by wrong.
Why do you think being gay is acceptable. Why do you think I should have to accept it. And how the hell do you think I should be questioning my own sexuality just because I have a different opinion on the matter to you. Does embracing homosexuality confirm ones own sexual stance, whatever that may be!?

All because two adults consent to something doesn't mean it's ok.



Actually no I don't know what you mean by wrong, thats why you were asked, what is wrong with it exactly and why? I think being gay should be deemed as acceptable, I hope for a time when there is no need for PRIDE or any festivals like that, people shouldn't have to celebrate normality, but they do because of attitudes like yours. Because their normality is different to yours you have a problem with that, why?

 
Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 24 May 15 2.48pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 2.38pm

You know exactly what I mean by wrong.
Why do you think being gay is acceptable. Why do you think I should have to accept it. And how the hell do you think I should be questioning my own sexuality just because I have a different opinion on the matter to you. Does embracing homosexuality confirm ones own sexual stance, whatever that may be!?

All because two adults consent to something doesn't mean it's ok.


You think it s wrong that's your prerogative
Millions don't that's there's
You appear to believe in organised religion
Millions don't.
You base your moral code on a series of books that is your prerogative
Guess what millions don't.
You are neither right or wrong, just that in Ireland more disagree than agree with you.

 

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ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 24 May 15 2.49pm

Ok, your saying I'm not allowed to have an opinion, or say something is wrong.
Yet you are allowed to have an opinion on me, and say I'm in the wrong.
How does that work??

 
ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 24 May 15 3.06pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 24 May 2015 2.48pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 2.38pm

You know exactly what I mean by wrong.
Why do you think being gay is acceptable. Why do you think I should have to accept it. And how the hell do you think I should be questioning my own sexuality just because I have a different opinion on the matter to you. Does embracing homosexuality confirm ones own sexual stance, whatever that may be!?

All because two adults consent to something doesn't mean it's ok.


You think it s wrong that's your prerogative
Millions don't that's there's
You appear to believe in organised religion
Millions don't.
You base your moral code on a series of books that is your prerogative
Guess what millions don't.
You are neither right or wrong, just that in Ireland more disagree than agree with you.


Gee wiz, you must have missed my first post. I am not religious. If you ask me all religion does is cause wars.
I just think it is wrong to tell religious people what they should have to accept. Most people don't like them doing it to others/ non believers, so why is it ok to force things on them.
What the feck is organized religion anyway!?
What series of books are you assuming I base my moral code on (my mother would be proud to think I even had one) The only series I'm taking in at the minute is breaking bad, the whole concept of that program is wrong. But I do enjoy watching it.
So..... I don't smoke crystal meth, but there's a sh!te load of people who do.

I'm not trying to say I'm right. I'm voicing my opinion that gay marriage is wrong.

 
Pikester Flag Worthing 24 May 15 3.19pm

Quote sprites at 23 May 2015 11.47pm

Quote imbored at 23 May 2015 11.41pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.


Feel free to see others as inferior. If your kids wind up being gay be sure to look them in the eye and tell them their their love and that their efforts to raise a family are second rate. There is nothing insecure and unstable about a gay family, unless you make it that way of course, which seems to be your intention. Who cares how it 'chimes' with you.

Just because you would not view your own gay child's wedding ceremony wouldn't be in your eyes a 'marriage', it doesn't mean others aren't happy for them.

Edited by imbored (23 May 2015 11.45pm)

Can't agree with that. There are certain things that a 'mother' and 'father' bring to a child invidivdually...that two of one of the other just cannot give. It's simply not fair on the kid.

Man was made for woman. But in this day and age, that ship has sailed. I now think if you want to be married to someone of the same sex...go for it. But don't involve kids.

Getting my helmet ready...but that's just what i reckon.



I agree with you Sprites.
Having masculine and feminine views on situations I believe helps children grow up more well rounded.

But a "My 2 Dads" scenario doesn't sit right with me. The kid knows he's not in a 'normal' situation and will be forever seeking answers as to where his mum is.

The Civil Ceremony was ok - this is a step too far for me.

Call me old fashioned.

 

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derben Flag 24 May 15 3.31pm

Do gay couples use sat-nav? Don't they get offended when a female voice tells them to 'go straight'.

 
imbored Flag UK 24 May 15 3.42pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 10.05am

Quote imbored at 24 May 2015 2.02am

Oh so no answer, you're not even married? If marriage is such a valuable environment for kids why shun it yourself and demote gay peoples marriage's and child rearing in the process.

If marriage is to provide a secure and stable environment for children, how exactly is a child of gay parents more secure and stable without his parents being married than with? You should surely favour it? It's not an argument that makes any sense.

None the less, of course, no-one needs a qualification to become a parent, nor should they need one to get a marriage. From the prejudiced to the gay families, they all get a shot now and that to me is a step forward.

Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 3.22am)


Hmmmmm....Like I said....I was fed up of answering you when you don't really address points in posts yourself..Plus I wanted to get to the land of Nod....But it's a fresh morning and I have some spare time so I'll answer you.

Yes, I'm not married and I have a young son....Seeing how you appear to wish to personalise this argument.

Marriage is the 'ideal' situation for children to be raised in but I'm not living the ideal because of several personal circumstances. However the boy has a mother and father.

You see Bored, I'm smart enough to realise that there's a difference between an ideal and what some people are prepared for in life. That's ok, not everyone can live the 'ideal'.

However, marriage is essentially a contract between two people. A contract that is often torn up. It isn't the most important aspect.....That is the commitment between the parties.

Just because that isn't the 'ideal' it does not mean that it isn't the best possible realistic outcome in the circumstances. One that can produce healthy, self assured and happy minds....It just isn't the ideal....This is the reality for many people today.....It doesn't need a series of warm words to make people feel more valued....Though many people are there to provide them...It is what it is and it is reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2015 10.08am)


You declare a form of child rearing superior then don't enter into it despite having that privilege. Then you state that others, who actively fought for the right to marry, aren't 'really' married in your eyes and display some displeasure at their access to what you declare a more stable form of union, an ideal. If a single man and woman are a less secure and stable unit than one in wedlock it naturally follows that the same applies to a gay couple, but you are unhappy with this development. How does that help kids, yours or anyone elses? Or couples.

You expect others to relate to you on a personal level because not being the 'ideal' is 'okay', but at the same time you unnecessarily wade into others lives wholesale, telling them that despite their legal right, their union means less to you personally. You are then affronted when criticised. Their lives are just as complex and hopes just as real as yours and they too deserve to be viewed on those terms. This change takes nothing away from yours or anyone elses relationship and it strengthens theirs according to even your own beliefs. You're apparently incapable of seeing that, whereas the Republic of Ireland examined their collective conscious and made the realisation that they are.


Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 4.18pm)

 
Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 15 4.50pm

Quote imbored at 24 May 2015 3.42pm

You declare a form of child rearing superior then don't enter into it despite having that privilege. Then you state that others, who actively fought for the right to marry, aren't 'really' married in your eyes and display some displeasure at their access to what you declare a more stable form of union, an ideal. If a single man and woman are a less secure and stable unit than one in wedlock it naturally follows that the same applies to a gay couple, but you are unhappy with this development. How does that help kids, yours or anyone elses? Or couples.

You expect others to relate to you on a personal level because not being the 'ideal' is 'okay', but at the same time you unnecessarily wade into others lives wholesale, telling them that despite their legal right, their union means less to you personally. You are then affronted when criticised. Their lives are just as complex and hopes just as real as yours and they too deserve to be viewed on those terms. This change takes nothing away from yours or anyone elses relationship and it strengthens theirs according to even your own beliefs. You're apparently incapable of seeing that, whereas the Republic of Ireland examined their collective conscious and made the realisation that they are.


Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 4.18pm)


Another post where you produce a narritive full of emotive value judgement language with little connection to reality.

Your first sentence is just about the only statement that I can agree with.

You say I have displeasure with gay people getting married....My problem is with the hijacking of the word, 'marriage' to now include same sex. I had no issues and even supported 'same sex unions'. Anywy its quite ridiculous that you can't hold a sensible discussion where you don't type away like a zealot because up until the recent past same sex anything wasn't even allowed in the country.....That's been the norm and now you snap away like a child who has had their candy taken.

For example...It's quite ridiculous, I don't 'expect people to relate to me on a personal level'......I don't give a monkey's what people think.

Another ridiculous and emotionally over the top statement you make, 'you unnecessarily wade into others lives wholesale'.......Errrr....This is public forum. I have spoken about this subject generally. This is the very opposite of wading 'into others lives'...No one is forced to read my posts...Again, you're being quite ridiculous.

It has been you who have chosen to personalise this topic by starting to talk about my son....Which if anything 'wades into my life'.....I haven't asked you questions about your life or anyone elses nor am I interested in it. These are opinions on an opinion forum.....Quite quite ridiculous.

You then say 'You are then affronted when criticised'.....What I am is miffed that you are seemingly incapable of dealing with this discussion in a mature sensible way.

I'm happy to discuss the issues but if you continue in the same vein I'll just stop replying to you.

 

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imbored Flag UK 24 May 15 5.03pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 4.50pm

Quote imbored at 24 May 2015 3.42pm

You declare a form of child rearing superior then don't enter into it despite having that privilege. Then you state that others, who actively fought for the right to marry, aren't 'really' married in your eyes and display some displeasure at their access to what you declare a more stable form of union, an ideal. If a single man and woman are a less secure and stable unit than one in wedlock it naturally follows that the same applies to a gay couple, but you are unhappy with this development. How does that help kids, yours or anyone elses? Or couples.

You expect others to relate to you on a personal level because not being the 'ideal' is 'okay', but at the same time you unnecessarily wade into others lives wholesale, telling them that despite their legal right, their union means less to you personally. You are then affronted when criticised. Their lives are just as complex and hopes just as real as yours and they too deserve to be viewed on those terms. This change takes nothing away from yours or anyone elses relationship and it strengthens theirs according to even your own beliefs. You're apparently incapable of seeing that, whereas the Republic of Ireland examined their collective conscious and made the realisation that they are.


Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 4.18pm)


Another post where you produce a narritive full of emotive value judgement language with little connection to reality.

Your first sentence is just about the only statement that I can agree with.

You say I have displeasure with gay people getting married....My problem is with the hijacking of the word, 'marriage' to now include same sex.



'Hijacking' of the term? It's people of a nation wishing to add what you yourself admit is security and stability to their relationships and for their families. It is an agreed definition by the population of the Republican of Ireland, not somebody steering a plane into a tower block.

Clearly if someone is gay this is an issue that is personal to them, whether or not you want to paint it as such. Don't worry yourself, this gay person will be knocking participation in General on the head. I'll stick to the rest of the site. How many gay members do we have here again? When you read some of the stuff written over the last couple of days in multiple threads that's explanation enough.

Have fun everyone.


Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 5.04pm)

 
ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 24 May 15 5.28pm

Quote imbored at 24 May 2015 5.03pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 4.50pm

Quote imbored at 24 May 2015 3.42pm

You declare a form of child rearing superior then don't enter into it despite having that privilege. Then you state that others, who actively fought for the right to marry, aren't 'really' married in your eyes and display some displeasure at their access to what you declare a more stable form of union, an ideal. If a single man and woman are a less secure and stable unit than one in wedlock it naturally follows that the same applies to a gay couple, but you are unhappy with this development. How does that help kids, yours or anyone elses? Or couples.

You expect others to relate to you on a personal level because not being the 'ideal' is 'okay', but at the same time you unnecessarily wade into others lives wholesale, telling them that despite their legal right, their union means less to you personally. You are then affronted when criticised. Their lives are just as complex and hopes just as real as yours and they too deserve to be viewed on those terms. This change takes nothing away from yours or anyone elses relationship and it strengthens theirs according to even your own beliefs. You're apparently incapable of seeing that, whereas the Republic of Ireland examined their collective conscious and made the realisation that they are.


Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 4.18pm)


Another post where you produce a narritive full of emotive value judgement language with little connection to reality.

Your first sentence is just about the only statement that I can agree with.

You say I have displeasure with gay people getting married....My problem is with the hijacking of the word, 'marriage' to now include same sex.



'Hijacking' of the term? It's people of a nation wishing to add what you yourself admit is security and stability to their relationships and for their families. It is an agreed definition by the population of the Republican of Ireland, not somebody steering a plane into a tower block.

Clearly if someone is gay this is an issue that is personal to them, whether or not you want to paint it as such. Don't worry yourself, this gay person will be knocking participation in General on the head. I'll stick to the rest of the site. How many gay members do we have here again? When you read some of the stuff written over the last couple of days in multiple threads that's explanation enough.

Have fun everyone.


Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 5.04pm)


Probably not as many as brighton!?

 
derben Flag 24 May 15 5.28pm

'Hijacking' of the term? is a reasonable description.
It is the same with the word 'progressive'. The new lib/left politically correct establishment describe anything they want as 'progressive', when often what they are proposing is anything but.

 
Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 15 5.33pm

Quote imbored at 24 May 2015 5.03pm

'Hijacking' of the term? It's people of a nation wishing to add what you yourself admit is security and stability to their relationships and for their families. It is an agreed definition by the population of the Republican of Ireland, not somebody steering a plane into a tower block.

Clearly if someone is gay this is an issue that is personal to them, whether or not you want to paint it as such. Don't worry yourself, this gay person will be knocking participation in General on the head. I'll stick to the rest of the site. How many gay members do we have here again? When you read some of the stuff written over the last couple of days in multiple threads that's explanation enough.

Have fun everyone.


Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 5.04pm)


You sensitive little soul you.

It shouldn't matter whether you are gay or not....Argue the issue in a sensible fashion....Not cry off because you don't like comments.

Hell, you support football which as a culture is probably the least 'gay' friendly sport out there.....And no I don't agree with or like the homophobic stuff you often hear.

Personally I don't care how many gay or straight people are on the forum. I most certainly wouldn't want its nature to change to suit any particular group.

Man up.


Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2015 5.35pm)

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 May 15 6.04pm

Live and let live.

And for those that think otherwise....it is not homosexuals who are not normal but your good selves. Unfortunately, you won't have the intelligence or self-awareness to see that but hey, ho!

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 May 15 6.19pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 11.25am

Don't follow sorry. If it's not about religion but a legal issue, then what is wrong with a civil ceremony, as I am sure this entitles a couple to the same leagal rights, does it not?
From here it looks like there are more gays trying to force there view onto religion. People saying the church needs to wake up etc etc.

At the end of the day mate some things are wrong and some things are right. Just because it's 2015 and a lot of people agree, does not make this very wrong thing right.
Seriously if you think this is a good way to go then you need to give your heads a bloody good wobble.

Legal issues within civil partnership mean that, in Ireland, for them to be classed as constitutionally protected, they needed to either have an entirely new constitutional amendment produced, and passed or simply changed semantically to being a marriage.

The second factor is that under Civil Partnership agreements religeons that wanted to conduct gay ceremonies were precluded by the Civil Partnership act (ironically religious groups who approve of same sex marriage couldn't conduct such ceremonies).

Civil Partnership is not the same as a civil (ie non-religious wedding).


 

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Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 15 6.19pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 May 2015 6.04pm

Live and let live.

And for those that think otherwise....it is not homosexuals who are not normal but your good selves. Unfortunately, you won't have the intelligence or self-awareness to see that but hey, ho!

Kermy, for such an intelligent and self aware student of life like yourself, you really shouldn't have that comma inbetween 'hey ho'.

I'm being an arse...I know.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2015 6.19pm)

 

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ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 24 May 15 6.22pm

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 May 15 6.27pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 2.38pm

You know exactly what I mean by wrong.
Why do you think being gay is acceptable. Why do you think I should have to accept it. And how the hell do you think I should be questioning my own sexuality just because I have a different opinion on the matter to you. Does embracing homosexuality confirm ones own sexual stance, whatever that may be!?

All because two adults consent to something doesn't mean it's ok.



Does to me, providing that all parties know what they're getting themselves into, its up to them. The idea that its anyone else's business is absurd. Restricting people because they like a different gender is as absurd as restricting people because they like blow jobs or spanking - It achieves nothing but making people miserable, for no good reason


Being gay is acceptable, because it had absolutely zero impact on me, or society. I don't like UKIP, doesn't mean that being right wing is wrong and should result in otherwise lawful citizens being restricted by state because of so very questionable moral basis.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 24 May 15 6.27pm

This thread is possibly the most depressing one I have ever read on HOL.

There is nothing wrong with being gay, if there were it wouldn't have been around for as long as mindkind. If your deity hadn't wished for there to be gay people he/she/it wouldn't have invented them. Or if you are Darwinist, apparently it's good for society to have gay people.

On the other hand there is massive harm from paedophiles and incestuous relationships, the suffering of people living with this is unimaginable for those that have not.

No parallel, stupid stupid suggestion that there is.

And to say that non-reproductive marriage is somehow a lower order is bizarre. I bet lots of people on this site are on second marriages beyond child bearing age, does that make their marriages relatively unimportant?

If people want to marry a same sex partner, I guess that is because they feel strongly. And if they want to do it in Church presumably they are religious. What more is there to know.

Oh and what the hell is feminisation and how can male same sex marriage represent it? That is of course a contradiction in terms.

Edited by Mapletree (24 May 2015 6.27pm)

 
cornwalls palace Flag Torpoint 24 May 15 6.28pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 23 May 2015 10.30pm

I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not.


..Catholics are human like everyone else with exactly the same amount of humans in it ..with particular desires.

 

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