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I transferred Declansmith 50GBP for two of his tickets for Crystal Palace vs. Manchester City. The match was originally scheduled for April 13, 2019 but then re-scheduled to the next April 14. As soon as I saw the schedule change, I reached out to Declansmith on Feb 25 and asked for a refund. I don't live in the UK and was travelling from Canada. My flight was leaving on April 14 and there was no way I could change my flight without exorbitant penalties. Declansmith responded that he would return my money but I would have to wait until March 20 when he got paid. So I waited. March 20 He promises to send me 25 GBP on March 28th and then another 25GBP when he sells the tickets. March 28 April 1 I contact Forum Moderators who follow up with Declansmith. April 2 Forum Moderators impose a deadline of April 12 for Declansmith to return my funds. An extra 10 days. April 12 Declansmith messages myself and the forum moderator and indicates he will pay on April 18 since that is when he gets paid. April 18 So long story short - Declansmith is not to be trusted. I think he saw an opportunity to make a quick buck of a fan coming from another country and that's exactly what he did. I transferred the money via PayPal to what I assume is his wife's account nicolaharper3@hotmail.com when the initial transaction took place. I was patient, understanding and reasonable and gave Declansmith many opportunities to demonstrate good faith and return my money. He failed on every account. He could have easily sent me half of the funds (as he promised) but again, I think his actions speak for itself. So to the Crystal Palace Community, beware when purchasing tickets from Declansmith. It's not worth it. This post has been approved by the Forum Moderator.
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Thank you - I will look into this some more!
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Originally posted by cb1969
I may not be alone in suggesting that, as your title says you the buyer should have been aware of the potential of fixture changes and unless you had an agreement with the seller that you could get a refund if the date changed then the tickets were yours and not his responsibility. This would be justifiable if a refund was not offered. But it was, so somewhat of an irrelevant point.
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Originally posted by the.universal
This would be justifiable if a refund was not offered. But it was, so somewhat of an irrelevant point. It is not an irrelevant point at all, the seller said he was an honest guy, and maybe his financial circumstances meant that he really has struggled to pay it back. My point is that he didn't have to offer the refund and may have caused himself financial hardship by doing so.
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Originally posted by cb1969
It is not an irrelevant point at all, the seller said he was an honest guy, and maybe his financial circumstances meant that he really has struggled to pay it back. My point is that he didn't have to offer the refund and may have caused himself financial hardship by doing so. Here's where I see the difference. I provided notice that I wouldn't be able to attend the game on Feb 25. The rescheduled game was on April 14. That's 48 days to attempt to re-sell your tickets. Tickets that the seller indicated on multiple occasions he sold to me at a discount, and did me a favour because he had so many other inquiries and that I got a really good deal. If that was the case, wouldn't it have been easy to then sell the tickets again? In that time period, the seller doesn't repost the tickets on this website (where he originally posts them). I can't find another post from Declansmith indicating that "hey tix are back up for sale". Can you? So to me, that indicates (in retrospect) that maybe he had already sold them again, or had no intention to sell them, or perhaps never even really had the tickets to begin with. At this point, I don't think we will ever really know. And it doesn't really matter does it? Furthermore, the notion that you can incur financial hardship by returning a deposit of 50 GBP for a pair of tickets is asinine. There's a moral issue and an ethical issue. In this situation, the empty promises of a refund are more indicative of unscrupulous behavior rather than financial hardship. The one point you do make which I will concede is yes, I should've been more aware that matches could be scheduled for a different day entirely. It never occurred to me at the time. I was trying to be organized and get my trip sorted in advance. If anything I imagined the kickoff time would change. Nevertheless, I don't think that's reasonable grounds to say "Oh too bad, you don't get your money back". Love the different perspectives...keep it coming!
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Originally posted by Qeeb12
I transferred Declansmith 50GBP for two of his tickets for Crystal Palace vs. Manchester City. The match was originally scheduled for April 13, 2019 but then re-scheduled to the next April 14. As soon as I saw the schedule change, I reached out to Declansmith on Feb 25 and asked for a refund. I don't live in the UK and was travelling from Canada. My flight was leaving on April 14 and there was no way I could change my flight without exorbitant penalties. Declansmith responded that he would return my money but I would have to wait until March 20 when he got paid. So I waited. March 20 He promises to send me 25 GBP on March 28th and then another 25GBP when he sells the tickets. March 28 April 1 I contact Forum Moderators who follow up with Declansmith. April 2 Forum Moderators impose a deadline of April 12 for Declansmith to return my funds. An extra 10 days. April 12 Declansmith messages myself and the forum moderator and indicates he will pay on April 18 since that is when he gets paid. April 18 So long story short - Declansmith is not to be trusted. I think he saw an opportunity to make a quick buck of a fan coming from another country and that's exactly what he did. I transferred the money via PayPal to what I assume is his wife's account nicolaharper3@hotmail.com when the initial transaction took place. I was patient, understanding and reasonable and gave Declansmith many opportunities to demonstrate good faith and return my money. He failed on every account. He could have easily sent me half of the funds (as he promised) but again, I think his actions speak for itself. So to the Crystal Palace Community, beware when purchasing tickets from Declansmith. It's not worth it. This post has been approved by the Forum Moderator.
I think he sells these tickets on behalf of his mate Andy who has four season tickets in the family stand. Declan was always pretty slow to respond etc and I thought I had been done over however Andy turned up on the day with tickets so happy days. To be fair to Declan, it was not his responsibility to refund you due to your flight changes. Declan may not be the sharpest tool in the box but he's genuine and not out to rip people off.
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Originally posted by Qeeb12
I can't find another post from Declansmith indicating that "hey tix are back up for sale". Can you? No, but then why should he? They were your tickets. I can't find a post by you either saying "I've bought these tickets , can't make the match, does anyone want to buy them?" They were YOUR tickets them so it was not his responsibility to sell them surely?
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
To be fair to Declan, it was not his responsibility to refund you due to your flight changes. Declan may not be the sharpest tool in the box but he's genuine and not out to rip people off. Ok I'll play. If it wasn't his responsibility to refund me, even with all the advance notice I provided, then at least I should have been provided with the tickets, right? And then I could have made an attempt to sell them. At no point did he send me the tickets or even tell me "the tickets are yours, you'll need to sell them to get your money back".
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Originally posted by cb1969
No, but then why should he? They were your tickets. I can't find a post by you either saying "I've bought these tickets , can't make the match, does anyone want to buy them?" They were YOUR tickets them so it was not his responsibility to sell them surely? Excellent point. In retrospect I totally should've. But at the time, they weren't my tickets. I didn't have them in hand (never did) and I was out the money. He was in control of both. SO how was I to sell tickets I couldn't transfer or even had the rights to sell? Upon receipt of the money, the tickets never came to me. So not sure how I was going to sell something I didn't have in my possession.
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Originally posted by Qeeb12
Ok I'll play. If it wasn't his responsibility to refund me, even with all the advance notice I provided, then at least I should have been provided with the tickets, right? And then I could have made an attempt to sell them. At no point did he send me the tickets or even tell me "the tickets are yours, you'll need to sell them to get your money back". I'm not disagreeing with you. I have purchased several tickets from fans on this site, all without any problems whatsoever. Whilst Declan did come good with my tickets it was not first without several stressed calls from myself first. I wouldn't buy any from him again, not because he's out to rip you off, just because he's hopeless at organising anything. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (18 Apr 2019 8.10pm)
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Originally posted by Qeeb12
Excellent point. In retrospect I totally should've. But at the time, they weren't my tickets. I didn't have them in hand (never did) and I was out the money. He was in control of both. SO how was I to sell tickets I couldn't transfer or even had the rights to sell? Upon receipt of the money, the tickets never came to me. So not sure how I was going to sell something I didn't have in my possession. I would then respectfully point you towards the title of your post, buyer beware. You paid for something you had not taken title or receipt of already. I would suggest that you put this down to experience, however, given another members post you will probably get your money back eventually, because we are not a bad bunch on here. You probably know Jack Schitt about Palace, you have been on here for four months and posted half a dozen times, initially only on the ticket thread because you wanted tickets to the Man City game because your bird played for a Uni team in the arse end of the US. I doubt the seller intended to see you lose out, so just accept it was your mistake
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Originally posted by cb1969
I would then respectfully point you towards the title of your post, buyer beware. You paid for something you had not taken title or receipt of already. The title perfectly summarizes my experience from transacting with Declansmith. As one poster alluded to, it was a stressful experience and they thought they had been taken for, but in the end they came through. However, in the future, they would refrain from conducting business with the individual. Caveat Emptor. The axiom or principle in commerce that the buyer alone is responsible for assessing the quality of a purchase before buying. Everyone has the ability to decide for themselves. I'm responsible for my actions. I'm trying to let others know of my experience so they can make their own decisions in the future. Originally posted by cb1969
I would suggest that you put this down to experience, however, given another members post you will probably get your money back eventually, because we are not a bad bunch on here. I never said the group over here was a bad bunch. Had I not posted this in a public setting, I wouldn't have even known about the other posters experience would I? Originally posted by cb1969
You probably know Jack Schitt about Palace, you have been on here for four months and posted half a dozen times, initially only on the ticket thread because you wanted tickets to the Man City game because your bird played for a Uni team in the arse end of the US. I doubt the seller intended to see you lose out, so just accept it was your mistake If you want characterize me based on my online activity that you've pieced together a la Sherlock Holmes and pretend to think you've got me figured out, that says more about you than it does me.
Edited by Qeeb12 (18 Apr 2019 8.44pm)
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Thanks Qeeb12 and Tom. I'll never buy from Declansmith now and it speaks volumes that the mods approved Qeeb12's post. cb1969, don't be a knob mate
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Originally posted by Holmesdale 1989
Thanks Qeeb12 and Tom. I'll never buy from Declansmith now and it speaks volumes that the mods approved Qeeb12's post. cb1969, don't be a knob mate Although it's not the responsibility of either the site or the mods we did ask Declan Smith to refund the money and we got the run around too with promises made and not kept. Smith provided neither the tickets nor the money which in my book amounts to dishonesty. I agree with your comment about cb1969 as his comments are daft and irrelevant
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I disagree. I have bought from Declan a couple of times when i wanted to bring more family members to matches, and while there were bumps along the way including getting my tickets the day before the match on one occaision. I always got what i was promised at the price we agreed. He is not dishonest. I do agree that sometimes his communication is patchy though. But to say buyer beware is not fair. I have no skin in the game other than putting the point across that Declan sold me tickets in an honest and fair way. Sorry you had a problem with him Qeeb - hope you get to see palace next season.. Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Although it's not the responsibility of either the site or the mods we did ask Declan Smith to refund the money and we got the run around too with promises made and not kept. Smith provided neither the tickets nor the money which in my book amounts to dishonesty. I agree with your comment about cb1969 as his comments are daft and irrelevant
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Originally posted by eric youngs headband
I disagree. I have bought from Declan a couple of times when i wanted to bring more family members to matches, and while there were bumps along the way including getting my tickets the day before the match on one occaision. I always got what i was promised at the price we agreed. He is not dishonest. I do agree that sometimes his communication is patchy though. But to say buyer beware is not fair. I have no skin in the game other than putting the point across that Declan sold me tickets in an honest and fair way. Sorry you had a problem with him Qeeb - hope you get to see palace next season.. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm glad to hear that you had a good experience. That in itself gives me some hope of reaching a resolution with Declansmith. I'll post an update in the event I hear back. And yes, we both thoroughly enjoyed our visit to London. We will absolutely come and visit again, and hopefully align it with a Palace home game!!
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Originally posted by eric youngs headband
I disagree. I have bought from Declan a couple of times when i wanted to bring more family members to matches, and while there were bumps along the way including getting my tickets the day before the match on one occaision. I always got what i was promised at the price we agreed. He is not dishonest. I do agree that sometimes his communication is patchy though. But to say buyer beware is not fair. I have no skin in the game other than putting the point across that Declan sold me tickets in an honest and fair way. Sorry you had a problem with him Qeeb - hope you get to see palace next season..
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