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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Apr 21 1.11pm
Originally posted by fish mitten Yes true and hopefully in a couple of years they may come good. We don’t seem to have a Mason Mount or Tammy Abraham yet there though, who have a year or so experience loaned out in the championship. Hopefully whoever comes in will give them some game time, but I think we are a couple of years away from that at the moment. Was AWB 'loaned' out before he got thrust into the 1st team, was Wilf? How do you know we have'nt got a MM or TA in our midst, have you watched them & i dont mean for just 1 game, i & a few others have & we like what we see. You are tho correct in saying that the way our current set-up is, it will be quite a few years before any of the kids get a chance. At least Hannam & Rak-Sakyi are being picked for the matchday squads, so, there is hope. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Apr 21 1.11pm

Originally posted by fish mitten

Yes true and hopefully in a couple of years they may come good. We don’t seem to have a Mason Mount or Tammy Abraham yet there though, who have a year or so experience loaned out in the championship.

Hopefully whoever comes in will give them some game time, but I think we are a couple of years away from that at the moment.

Was AWB 'loaned' out before he got thrust into the 1st team, was Wilf? How do you know we have'nt got a MM or TA in our midst, have you watched them & i dont mean for just 1 game, i & a few others have & we like what we see. You are tho correct in saying that the way our current set-up is, it will be quite a few years before any of the kids get a chance.

At least Hannam & Rak-Sakyi are being picked for the matchday squads, so, there is hope.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

TheBigToePunt 25 Apr 21 1.30pm
Originally posted by fish mitten The only two I would consider are Howe and Dyche. Both have managed lower premier league teams with some success for a period of time. Lampard had one year at Derby with limited success to take over at Chelsea with lots of resources. Those talking about youngsters he’ll bring through should realise that we don’t have the same quality of youngsters that Chelsea do. Would be a massive gamble and one I hope Parish doesn’t make. If we were to go down with Dyche or Howe I would also have more confidence in them bringing us back up as they have managed at that level for more than a year as well. They are two solid credible candidates and probably as good as we can get. That's the logical criteria to apply isn't it? I think some of the calls for a massive overhaul and change of direction are unrealistic - we will continue to have a lower mid table budget no matter who is in charge, and that's the defining feature of the club. Whilst we may not have the quality of u21 players Chelsea were able to call on, the hope is that our u18s will be comparable with most, and though we might have to wait to see them in the first team, and though it would be highly unusual for more than two to be good enough, bringing through more young players does seem to be part of the business plan. Whether that needs to be reflected in the managers job description or previous experience is another matter. For me, all the club needs to do is release more senior players than it signs (easy enough this summer), explain to any prospective manager for next season (including Roy if he's still keen) that this is a deliberate strategy (or the best we can do), and ask each candidate how they would integrate academy players. It's not the be all and end all, but is one obvious interview question alongside many others.

TheBigToePunt

25 Apr 21 1.30pm

Originally posted by fish mitten

The only two I would consider are Howe and Dyche. Both have managed lower premier league teams with some success for a period of time. Lampard had one year at Derby with limited success to take over at Chelsea with lots of resources. Those talking about youngsters he’ll bring through should realise that we don’t have the same quality of youngsters that Chelsea do.

Would be a massive gamble and one I hope Parish doesn’t make. If we were to go down with Dyche or Howe I would also have more confidence in them bringing us back up as they have managed at that level for more than a year as well. They are two solid credible candidates and probably as good as we can get.

That's the logical criteria to apply isn't it? I think some of the calls for a massive overhaul and change of direction are unrealistic - we will continue to have a lower mid table budget no matter who is in charge, and that's the defining feature of the club.

Whilst we may not have the quality of u21 players Chelsea were able to call on, the hope is that our u18s will be comparable with most, and though we might have to wait to see them in the first team, and though it would be highly unusual for more than two to be good enough, bringing through more young players does seem to be part of the business plan.

Whether that needs to be reflected in the managers job description or previous experience is another matter. For me, all the club needs to do is release more senior players than it signs (easy enough this summer), explain to any prospective manager for next season (including Roy if he's still keen) that this is a deliberate strategy (or the best we can do), and ask each candidate how they would integrate academy players. It's not the be all and end all, but is one obvious interview question alongside many others.

fish mitten Chelmsford 25 Apr 21 1.37pm
I would love to see some of the youngsters come through and of course at Chelsea they almost have to be loaned out to have a chance. I can remember all the ‘Team of the 80’s’ excitement when we have a excellent bunch of youngsters come through at the same time. Great to see the under 18’s doing so well and i hope a few of them do get first team experience. It’s tough trying to keep a lower premier league team in the division and Roy seems to have done this with ease. Even if over the last year there has been some really turgid football. I favour Howe and Dyche as they are the most experienced at this. Lampard is more of a risk in my opinion. Originally posted by eagleman13 Was AWB 'loaned' out before he got thrust into the 1st team, was Wilf? How do you know we have'nt got a MM or TA in our midst, have you watched them & i dont mean for just 1 game, i & a few others have & we like what we see. You are tho correct in saying that the way our current set-up is, it will be quite a few years before any of the kids get a chance. At least Hannam & Rak-Sakyi are being picked for the matchday squads, so, there is hope.

fish mitten

Chelmsford 25 Apr 21 1.37pm

I would love to see some of the youngsters come through and of course at Chelsea they almost have to be loaned out to have a chance. I can remember all the ‘Team of the 80’s’ excitement when we have a excellent bunch of youngsters come through at the same time.

Great to see the under 18’s doing so well and i hope a few of them do get first team experience.

It’s tough trying to keep a lower premier league team in the division and Roy seems to have done this with ease. Even if over the last year there has been some really turgid football.

I favour Howe and Dyche as they are the most experienced at this. Lampard is more of a risk in my opinion.

Originally posted by eagleman13

At least Hannam & Rak-Sakyi are being picked for the matchday squads, so, there is hope.

fish mitten Chelmsford 25 Apr 21 1.42pm
Absolutely agree with everything you have said. It’s got to be a gradual change. Originally posted by TheBigToePunt That's the logical criteria to apply isn't it? I think some of the calls for a massive overhaul and change of direction are unrealistic - we will continue to have a lower mid table budget no matter who is in charge, and that's the defining feature of the club. Whilst we may not have the quality of u21 players Chelsea were able to call on, the hope is that our u18s will be comparable with most, and though we might have to wait to see them in the first team, and though it would be highly unusual for more than two to be good enough, bringing through more young players does seem to be part of the business plan. Whether that needs to be reflected in the managers job description or previous experience is another matter. For me, all the club needs to do is release more senior players than it signs (easy enough this summer), explain to any prospective manager for next season (including Roy if he's still keen) that this is a deliberate strategy (or the best we can do), and ask each candidate how they would integrate academy players. It's not the be all and end all, but is one obvious interview question alongside many others.

fish mitten

Chelmsford 25 Apr 21 1.42pm

Absolutely agree with everything you have said.

It’s got to be a gradual change.

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

pstrutt Busselton, WA 25 Apr 21 1.58pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Have you actually watched the development squad playing? If so who do you think is ready for the Premier League? With our academy status and better quality under 18s we might have some ready for the Premier League in two or three years time but we need to still be in the top division at that time and if we blood youngsters now we probably won't be Actually ME I do agree with your timeline on that. However, we aren't looking for a whole squad of youth to come through immediately. We are looking for one or two to come through initially and get noticed - by other youth or then they'll more hope. Would you have said Mitchell was ready, or AWB or even Wilf? Possibly, but not until you see them face PL opposition and then you can know for sure. Also, we have unearthed gems before, why do people think that we won't again? It isn't only about who we have got, but what we can do with them. I think Jody Morris could have a key role to play with a lot of our squad. So I manage a Workshop which provides a safe learning environment for blokes struggling with PTSD and other mental health issues. Being a Palace fan isn't listed yet.

pstrutt

Busselton, WA 25 Apr 21 1.58pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Have you actually watched the development squad playing?

If so who do you think is ready for the Premier League?

With our academy status and better quality under 18s we might have some ready for the Premier League in two or three years time but we need to still be in the top division at that time and if we blood youngsters now we probably won't be

Actually ME I do agree with your timeline on that. However, we aren't looking for a whole squad of youth to come through immediately. We are looking for one or two to come through initially and get noticed - by other youth or then they'll more hope. Would you have said Mitchell was ready, or AWB or even Wilf? Possibly, but not until you see them face PL opposition and then you can know for sure.

Also, we have unearthed gems before, why do people think that we won't again? It isn't only about who we have got, but what we can do with them. I think Jody Morris could have a key role to play with a lot of our squad.

So I manage a Workshop which provides a safe learning environment for blokes struggling with PTSD and other mental health issues. Being a Palace fan isn't listed yet.

Pete53 Hassocks 25 Apr 21 2.14pm
With regard to Lampard, the question is how much has he learned from the managerial experience he has had to date? It could be that he is a quick learner will will rectify where he has gone wrong before. Alternatively, he just may not be Premier League managerial material. That would be the chance we would have to take.

Pete53

Hassocks 25 Apr 21 2.14pm

With regard to Lampard, the question is how much has he learned from the managerial experience he has had to date? It could be that he is a quick learner will will rectify where he has gone wrong before.

Alternatively, he just may not be Premier League managerial material.

That would be the chance we would have to take.

Midlands Eagle 25 Apr 21 3.00pm
Originally posted by Eagle Black. If Lampard comes in then hopefully it'll be Roy upstairs, i'm still hoping it'll be Howe. Make it happen Parish. To do what?

Midlands Eagle

25 Apr 21 3.00pm

Originally posted by Eagle Black.

If Lampard comes in then hopefully it'll be Roy upstairs, i'm still hoping it'll be Howe.

Make it happen Parish.

To do what?

Painter Croydon 25 Apr 21 4.00pm
Originally posted by Fatherken who had Sir Steve managed before he took over at Palace ? De Boer had managed Ajax and Inter Milan before Palace, so you point is ? Edited by Painter (25 Apr 2021 4.01pm)

Painter

Croydon 25 Apr 21 4.00pm

Originally posted by Fatherken

who had Sir Steve managed before he took over at Palace ?

De Boer had managed Ajax and Inter Milan before Palace, so you point is ?

Edited by Painter (25 Apr 2021 4.01pm)

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 25 Apr 21 4.54pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Thats why OUR youngsters beat Chelski, 1-0 Away & 2-1 at Home this season . . . BUT how many of their youngsters (U18s) are already out on loan in the lower divisions? Our senior U23s have struggled for game time in the lower leagues since January.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 25 Apr 21 4.54pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Thats why OUR youngsters beat Chelski, 1-0 Away & 2-1 at Home this season . . .

BUT how many of their youngsters (U18s) are already out on loan in the lower divisions? Our senior U23s have struggled for game time in the lower leagues since January.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Apr 21 5.11pm
Originally posted by doombear BUT how many of their youngsters (U18s) are already out on loan in the lower divisions? Our senior U23s have struggled for game time in the lower leagues since January. I have no idea, I was just replying to Fish Mittens post. I agree about our U23's tho, But, what I will say is, their season has been disrupted by 1st teamers & U18's being drafted in for various reasons. So, IMO, you cannot compare. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Apr 21 5.11pm

Originally posted by doombear

BUT how many of their youngsters (U18s) are already out on loan in the lower divisions? Our senior U23s have struggled for game time in the lower leagues since January.

I have no idea, I was just replying to Fish Mittens post. I agree about our U23's tho, But, what I will say is, their season has been disrupted by 1st teamers & U18's being drafted in for various reasons. So, IMO, you cannot compare.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

HKOwen Hong Kong 26 Apr 21 1.00am
Can't see Roy taking a job that does not involve first team coaching and team selection, or, a new manager agreeing to have someone else in a position to second guess them. Not sure what job Roy would want that would be useful to the club in real terms. Originally posted by Midlands Eagle To do what? Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 26 Apr 21 1.00am

Can't see Roy taking a job that does not involve first team coaching and team selection, or, a new manager agreeing to have someone else in a position to second guess them.

Not sure what job Roy would want that would be useful to the club in real terms.

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

To do what?

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

dreamwaverider London 26 Apr 21 3.09am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Our youth aren't good enough for the Premier League so you would like to appoint a manager that will guarantee us Championship football Our youth (Under eighteen) are top of the league and have some serious talent. Edited by dreamwaverider (26 Apr 2021 3.10am) Edited by dreamwaverider (26 Apr 2021 3.10am)

dreamwaverider

London 26 Apr 21 3.09am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Our youth aren't good enough for the Premier League so you would like to appoint a manager that will guarantee us Championship football

Our youth (Under eighteen) are top of the league and have some serious talent.

Edited by dreamwaverider (26 Apr 2021 3.10am)

dreamwaverider London 26 Apr 21 3.14am
I think Lampard would be a good choice. If he did for us what he did for Chelsea I would be very happy. Makes good sense. Also good follow on from Roy. Plus he is a top name in the game. Bring it on.

dreamwaverider

London 26 Apr 21 3.14am

I think Lampard would be a good choice. If he did for us what he did for Chelsea I would be very happy. Makes good sense. Also good follow on from Roy. Plus he is a top name in the game. Bring it on.

Midlands Eagle 26 Apr 21 6.24am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Our youth (Under eighteen) are top of the league and have some serious talent. There is a huge difference between the Under 18 league and the Premier League

Midlands Eagle

26 Apr 21 6.24am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Our youth (Under eighteen) are top of the league and have some serious talent.

There is a huge difference between the Under 18 league and the Premier League

EddieMac 26 Apr 21 7.42am
Originally posted by dazza Alex the confirmed source is Tomato? Like I am able to share where I get my info, just cause I get some information does not mean it will always happen but I just share what I get told. No one is forcing anyone to believe my messages or to even to read them. Dazza, The title of your thread is Meet our new manager which states that you are saying the Lampard is our new manager. Not that he may be our new manager or you have got information and it might not be correct. Right now Lampard is not our new manager and there is nothing to say that he will be our new manager. Edited by EddieMac (26 Apr 2021 7.52am)

EddieMac

26 Apr 21 7.42am

Originally posted by dazza

Alex the confirmed source is Tomato?

Like I am able to share where I get my info, just cause I get some information does not mean it will always happen but I just share what I get told.

No one is forcing anyone to believe my messages or to even to read them.

Dazza, The title of your thread is Meet our new manager which states that you are saying the Lampard is our new manager. Not that he may be our new manager or you have got information and it might not be correct.

Right now Lampard is not our new manager and there is nothing to say that he will be our new manager.

Edited by EddieMac (26 Apr 2021 7.52am)

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 26 Apr 21 9.12am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Our youth (Under eighteen) are top of the league and have some serious talent. Edited by dreamwaverider (26 Apr 2021 3.10am) Edited by dreamwaverider (26 Apr 2021 3.10am) There is some promising talent in the U18s but I would suggest that they are not yet ready for the rigours of PL football - the chasm is enormous. How often do we see more than one or two members of a winning youth team make it to the first team? Derby County are the most recent winners of the U18 tournament (2019) and look where they are now - struggling to stay in the Championship! It's promising that one of the U18s (Rak-Sakyi) was on the first team bench last game and that he and a few other Academy/development squad players are getting the opportunity to train with the first team. However, there's unlikely to be a raft of them playing first team football in the PL next season.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 26 Apr 21 9.12am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Our youth (Under eighteen) are top of the league and have some serious talent.

Edited by dreamwaverider (26 Apr 2021 3.10am)

There is some promising talent in the U18s but I would suggest that they are not yet ready for the rigours of PL football - the chasm is enormous. How often do we see more than one or two members of a winning youth team make it to the first team? Derby County are the most recent winners of the U18 tournament (2019) and look where they are now - struggling to stay in the Championship!

It's promising that one of the U18s (Rak-Sakyi) was on the first team bench last game and that he and a few other Academy/development squad players are getting the opportunity to train with the first team. However, there's unlikely to be a raft of them playing first team football in the PL next season.

CPFC1965 Warrington 26 Apr 21 11.00am
Lampard is currently 4/11 to be our next manager, with Dyche at 5/1. Anyone got a crystal ball?

CPFC1965

Warrington 26 Apr 21 11.00am

Lampard is currently 4/11 to be our next manager, with Dyche at 5/1. Anyone got a crystal ball?

Sansbup Norfolk 26 Apr 21 11.54am
Originally posted by CPFC1965 Lampard is currently 4/11 to be our next manager, with Dyche at 5/1. Anyone got a crystal ball? 'Arry has been down the bookies...

Sansbup

Norfolk 26 Apr 21 11.54am

Originally posted by CPFC1965

Lampard is currently 4/11 to be our next manager, with Dyche at 5/1. Anyone got a crystal ball?

'Arry has been down the bookies...

deleted 25 27 Apr 21 7.11pm
I'd be happy with Frank L - let's hope he gets more time than the last Frank Abraham and Gilmour could be wanting out at Chelski due to being too slight or small. Chelski was a poisioned chalice. He wanted to play the academy players but the club had signings planned. Ultimately Thomas Tuchel was their first choice so they got their man I've always been impressed by Frank and if Chelski have players they don't want them we'll have them.

deleted 25

27 Apr 21 7.11pm

I'd be happy with Frank L - let's hope he gets more time than the last Frank

Abraham and Gilmour could be wanting out at Chelski due to being too slight or small.

Chelski was a poisioned chalice. He wanted to play the academy players but the club had signings planned. Ultimately Thomas Tuchel was their first choice so they got their man

I've always been impressed by Frank and if Chelski have players they don't want them we'll have them.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Apr 21 7.32pm
Originally posted by Sansbup 'Arry has been down the bookies... Allegedly Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Apr 21 7.32pm

Originally posted by Sansbup

'Arry has been down the bookies...

Allegedly

Red and Blue Army!

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