At least we have the moral high ground, having got rid of Robinson.

This is the NZ second string bowling attack that has humiliated us.

If anyone was watching after the close of play Nasser was commenting on the poor batting display and he was obviously very angry and didn't try and hide it

That's not "strange"; that's simply how test cricket used to be played, and in New Zealand's case it's how it still is played.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Masochist are we?

I've said it many times over the years but the level of money paid to the ECB and the standard of cricket produced from it isn't value for money.

These guys are simply paid too well for their jobs. There is a softness there....and recent events have shown an over concern for events outside the cricket field rather than the pure meritocracy for success on the cricket field.

James Coney, former New Zealand cricketer sums it up well.

'From an outsider's point of view it is very difficult to understand how you can surround yourself with so many coaches, helpers and so many staff and so many facilities and so much money and so many good contracts and perform like that.'

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jun 2021 12.42pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I've been supporting Olly Stone for some time now and while he didn't do badly in this test I was disappointed with his pace.

He's meant to be quick....yet he spent much more time bowling around 85 and under than in the high eighties/low nineties.

I'm beginning to think quick bowling is becoming unfashionable in England.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)