That's quite a leap of logic. Are you advocating no immigration?

What are you talking about?! What has that to do with this thread?
Or is that just to illustrate your point about jumping to conclusions? If so, stretching it a little, eh?

For goodness sake. We start discussing immigration, it'll never end, Ted. Haha

True, Ted, but there is another, crucial 'but'.

But the Tories took all the money they got from council house sales and put not a penny of it into building new ones. Why? Because they knew that many of the less well-off workers lived in council houses.

It was part of the plan to emasculate the unions: if strikers were council renters, they could strike and get behind on the rent without being evicted. If they had mortgages, their house would be repossessed. So,- get rid of council houses, make this country a 'property owning democracy' and cut the workers' ability to strike. Neat. Until we look at the property market today. Ray! Another of Maggie's crowning achievements is shown to be just wrong.

Sorry, is this me talking the usual Wicked -Tory leftish crap?

Well, I was hoping to draw out a response where we might be a little more nuanced about the subject. The question was rhetorical, really.

Since the days of the workhouse there's been a tension between aid for the needy and accusations of feckless laziness.

Anyway, I wasn't really wanting the thread to veer off the original point about that old, famous saying.

Trouble is, no-one's actually written what they think about how the video refutes the 'truism'.

The video seems to show that all these years that old truism about the Labour party being the party of tax, tax, tax is not a fair conclusion. Not only do the Tories tax more, they spend less at the same time. Blimey!

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Haha, I know what you mean.

Not a solution in itself but part of a design to change the way the country was run and to change people's attitudes. "No such thing as society" is another famous catchphrase that encapsulates the idea that the state shouldn't provide everything and we should be more self-reliant, doesn't it?

So selling off council houses adhered to that philosophy too, crucially. It also offered, at the same stroke, a chance to help castrate the unions. Nice and tidy.

** That looks like you're angry with me. ** I didn't mean to offend, Mr Norman.

I posted the video in order to discuss whether that age old saying about the left spending other's money was valid.

At least we are shown his opinion, supported by evidence, that the old saying appears not only to be false but, in fact, the opposite applies.

If you call that 'crap', it's up to you, of course but I should add that merely throwing insults at something/someone doesn't make them wrong.