I think his next "point" will be about how their attendances are more than double ours! Closet Brighton fan?

Personally if palace do go up I hope it's just for a season, nick the75 mill and get back in the championship, build for the future ala wba. After 45 Yeats watching palace I know where my best times have been.

You've made some incorrect assumptions here. Just because fans of your club have reacted a certain way, doesn't mean all fans of every club want the same things. If they did, explain why Utd fans broke away and created FCUM, why AFC Wimbledon are infinately more respected than Man City, and why the vast majority of fans attending live football are at clubs who've won no silverware or haven't for a long while?

Thats because there are only a certain amount of trophies to go round which are predominantly won by a few clubs. I think the situations at Man utd and AFC Wimbledon are actually different but both arose because of disgruntled fans (justifiably by the way) at the direction their club was going. Most fans arent so disgruntled with their ownerships which is why the forming of 'AFC's' are rare and not the norm.

So why do the majority of fans not follow the teams that are competing for trophies? admittedly there are alot of fans who do attach themselves to the biggest clubs, but most don't.

Football supporters do not crave trophies. Some may do, but I, and many fellow Palace fans, don't. Thats not to say it wouldn't be great to compete for a major honour, but that would be a bonus, not the nitty gritty of what following us is about.

Sorry have to disagree with this and feel that you have an idealistic view of football fans that just isnt true and doesnt hold up to scrutiny. Fans do crave trophies or at least success and thats clearly shown by the increase in attendance and sales of merchandise thats follows said success. I accept you have that view but disagree that it is a common held one.

As mentioned above, there are some fans, and lots of kids, who want to follow the big boys, but most of us want to follow a local team. That's not idealistic, thats a fact. there may be many glory hunters around, but most of us aren't.

Myself and many other Palace fans have commented that they're not sure about going to the prem. It's great to get there, but the reality is we'd struggle, our youngsters wouldn 't get a chance and prices would go up.

Again I am sure you will be in a minority with such a view. Just glancing at your main message board site shows the longing for the 'holy grail'.

admittedly it is a minority view, and of course we want promotion (unless theres some goal, what's the point in playing) but there is plenty of trepidation about what promotion might mean. I've heard it said by a few that they'd love to win the league, then the board turn around and refuse promotion! (madness of course)

I would certainly rather see the likes of Zaha, Williams, Clyne, Moses, Scannell, Watson, Wright, Mcanuff, O'Keefe, Parsons, etc. than Torres, Oscar, Drogba, Lampard etc. even if they did give us less success. Yes, not all foreign players are mercenaries, but many are, as are many english players and those that aren't (like Speroni) earn the love of the fans over a long period.

Very admirable and totally understand.Cant agree except with Torres LOL

well why would you agree? they are palace boys, mostly born and nearly all brought up in South London. I'll always feel pride when I see Moses score for you, Zaha get a cap or Clyne put in another good shift at Southampton. I feel that's something You at Chelsea will rarely, if ever, experience. If you don't encounter it why would you agree?

highest attendance at Selhurst this year was Burnley, 20,863

Last year was Cardiff (league cup semi) 22,147

What's your point?

I actually didn't go was away on holiday so couldn't say. I think we gave you all the match receipts, but again not 100 per cent sure.

Sorry to go off the point and its not an arguement I'm too young I weren't born but you said we were close in the 70's but didn't we play someone like tooting and mitcham in the fa cup and chelsea linked up with millwall to come and do palace over and there was massive fights at selhurst? maybe completely wrong but only what I heard anyone know?