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 steeleye20  Croydon 29 Sep 17 9.38pm |
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I don't like our anthem it's such a dirge. Land of Hope and Glory would be great. If anybody knew the words of the second verse they would have a fit. Why do you feel so proud when the flag goes up and the anthem is played? It is ridiculous but I wouldn't ban it for the world. 'boiled beef and carrots' would be a great anthem imagine foreigners trying to decipher it. They are far more effective than crap self-defeating brexit.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 29 Sep 17 10.04pm |
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I think anthems and flags (and taking the knee) are daft.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Sep 17 10.17pm |
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We all agree that our national anthem sucks. Time for bed.
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| wordup 29 Sep 17 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I think anthems and flags (and taking the knee) are daft. I guess it all comes down to your take on patriotism. Universally people look to symbols to represent their nation. I have no problem with people holding values that differ from those, but there is an inevitability to symbols reflecting identity. Edited by wordup (29 Sep 2017 10.25pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 29 Sep 17 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
I guess it all comes down to your take on patriotism. Universally people look to symbols to represent their nation. I have no problem with people holding values that differ from those, but there is an inevitability to symbols reflecting identity. Edited by wordup (29 Sep 2017 10.25pm) There are a few on here who are patriotic about the EU. Don't know whether they leap to their feet when 'Ode to Joy' is played or get a lump in their throats when they see a blue flag with some stars on it. There are others who do the same with the 'Red Flag' - the song and the banner. Similar with the Union Flag and 'God Save the Queen'. All daft in my opinion.
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| Bert the Head Epsom 29 Sep 17 11.38pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's all white people's fault, right Nick? You must be ashamed to be white as well as British. Its not about being ashamed to be white or British. You can be proud to be British but be knowledgeable about history and the things that we did to become an empire. The knowledgeable bit puts you at a disadvantage because you are not. But anytime you want you can do something about that. Whereas history is something we have to live with.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Sep 17 12.54am |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
Its not about being ashamed to be white or British. You can be proud to be British but be knowledgeable about history and the things that we did to become an empire. The knowledgeable bit puts you at a disadvantage because you are not. But anytime you want you can do something about that. Whereas history is something we have to live with. Some people ignore history [Tweet Link]
Change German Jews to Muslims...
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| Stirlingsays 30 Sep 17 1.03am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Some people ignore history [Tweet Link]
Change German Jews to Muslims... Back then in Britain anti semitism was quite common. Now, it's only a problem in the Labour party. Incoming secular or cultural Muslims are not a problem. What is the problem is having over twenty thousand on watch lists and over 600 ongoing MI5 investigations, the vast majority on Muslims. There are children and adults walking about now, who will be murdered by some of these people or others not on those lists. People like you Nick have zero solutions to these problems and instead you blame those pointing them out. You and your fellow travellers on this matter have to take some responsibility as it's people like yourself that Nawez and other Islamic reformers call the regressive left. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 1.04am)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Sep 17 1.19am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Back then in Britain anti semitism was quite common. Now, it's only a problem in the Labour party. Incoming secular or cultural Muslims are not a problem. What is the problem is having over twenty thousand on watch lists and over 600 ongoing MI5 investigations, the vast majority on Muslims. There are children and adults walking about now, who will be murdered by some of these people or others not on those lists. People like you Nick have zero solutions to these problems and instead you blame those pointing them out. You and your fellow travellers on this matter have to take some responsibility as it's people like yourself that Nawez and other Islamic reformers call the regressive left. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 1.04am) You haven't mentioned internment camps for a while.
Anti semetism only a problem in the Labour party? My arse! Edited by nickgusset (30 Sep 2017 1.23am)
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| Stirlingsays 30 Sep 17 1.26am |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
Its not about being ashamed to be white or British. You can be proud to be British but be knowledgeable about history and the things that we did to become an empire. The knowledgeable bit puts you at a disadvantage because you are not. But anytime you want you can do something about that. Whereas history is something we have to live with. I think there is a more realistic way of viewing these things. Once you have a good understanding of human nature you are able to view the events of the past, present or indeed future to come the same way....for what they were....exploitation by the advantaged over the disadvantaged. This is not a British trait or any other nationality trait...this is a human trait. It's like complaining about human beings and selfishness....which when I see it I usually smile as plenty of times the accusations is made by the self absorbed. It's safe to say that the concept of empires is a negative one in terms of justice. However we are talking about a period of history where if you didn't have an empire you were going to be within one. However, the British empire also did very constructive things compared to other empires. There are nations on earth now who....who because of the institutions we set up within them and that cultural legacy have advantages over other nations. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 1.43am)
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| Stirlingsays 30 Sep 17 1.42am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You haven't mentioned internment camps for a while.
Anti semetism only a problem in the Labour party? My arse! Edited by nickgusset (30 Sep 2017 1.23am) Isn't Vicki Kirby still actually in the Labour Party? Under Miliband’s leadership Kirby was kicked out within hours.
Well, I was wrong to say it was 'only' a problem in the Labour party. Some far right groups are very anti Semitic. Also I wouldn't accuse the Labour Party itself as being anti semitic. However, in our modern times it is predominantly a problem on the left. I've met plenty of left wing people I'd class as showing varying levels of anti semitism. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 1.58am)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Sep 17 2.10am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Isn't Vicki Kirby still actually in the Labour Party? Under Miliband’s leadership Kirby was kicked out within hours.
Well, I was wrong to say it was 'only' a problem in the Labour party. Some far right groups are very anti Semitic. Also I wouldn't accuse the Labour Party itself as being anti semitic. However, in our modern times it is predominantly a problem on the left. I've met plenty of left wing people I'd class as showing varying levels of anti semitism. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 1.58am)
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