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Username Horsham 23 Jun 17 2.39pm
Originally posted by elgrande First of all f* off I don't have to answer to you,but secondly not all youngsters are,I have four children they all work live their lives and generally have a decent life. They don't expect anything for nothing and work hard for the things they do want(with the occasional help from the bank of dad),maybe it's the way they were bought up with no sense of entitlement....** I personally don't think it's a 'sense of entitlement' to ask for the same opportunities that other generations had. I think it's disgraceful to charge people £50k+ for their education. In the last ten years, the average deposit for a first time buyer in this country doubled from £16,000 to around £32,000. In London it's closer to £90,000. The average home now costs around eight times the average salary, which has doubled in twenty years. It's not possible to just 'work hard and save' for a house these days, particularly in London with the cost of renting. Oh, and by the time we retire (at a later age) our pensions are going to be completely screwed. Sense of entitlement my arse. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

Username

Horsham 23 Jun 17 2.39pm

Originally posted by elgrande

First of all f*** off I don't have to answer to you,but secondly not all youngsters are,I have four children they all work live their lives and generally have a decent life.
They don't expect anything for nothing and work hard for the things they do want(with the occasional help from the bank of dad),maybe it's the way they were bought up with no sense of entitlement....

I personally don't think it's a 'sense of entitlement' to ask for the same opportunities that other generations had.

I think it's disgraceful to charge people £50k+ for their education.

In the last ten years, the average deposit for a first time buyer in this country doubled from £16,000 to around £32,000. In London it's closer to £90,000. The average home now costs around eight times the average salary, which has doubled in twenty years.

It's not possible to just 'work hard and save' for a house these days, particularly in London with the cost of renting. Oh, and by the time we retire (at a later age) our pensions are going to be completely screwed.

Sense of entitlement my arse.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Jun 17 2.41pm
Originally posted by Username I vote for an MP to represent me, and make decisions on my behalf. If that MP is the leader of the party and they win an election, they get to be PM. If they are PM, one of the decisions they'll normally make is nominating the British representative on the EU commission. I also vote for an MEP who represents me and votes on my behalf on all laws that the commission come up with, and vote for the President and endorse the commissioners and can block appointments. If you don't like the make up of the commission, vote for a different MEP who shares your position, or vote for a party who will nominate a different representative? I'm willing to bet that without the aid of Google 90% of people on here couldn't name their MEP if their life depended on it !! Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Jun 17 2.41pm

Originally posted by Username

I vote for an MP to represent me, and make decisions on my behalf. If that MP is the leader of the party and they win an election, they get to be PM. If they are PM, one of the decisions they'll normally make is nominating the British representative on the EU commission.

I also vote for an MEP who represents me and votes on my behalf on all laws that the commission come up with, and vote for the President and endorse the commissioners and can block appointments.

If you don't like the make up of the commission, vote for a different MEP who shares your position, or vote for a party who will nominate a different representative?

I'm willing to bet that without the aid of Google 90% of people on here couldn't name their MEP if their life depended on it !!

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elgrande bedford 23 Jun 17 2.43pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So you're happy for other posters to slag off the entire younger generation but take issue if someone slags off the entire older generation. As long as that's clear. Sorry did you not read my post....NOT ALL YOUNGSTERS ARE,but there are an awful lot of them that self entitled little brats who need to go out and live a life(or maybe a little bit of life),and see how they get on in the real world. Now I hope that answers your questions,if not tough. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 23 Jun 17 2.43pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So you're happy for other posters to slag off the entire younger generation but take issue if someone slags off the entire older generation. As long as that's clear.

Sorry did you not read my post....NOT ALL YOUNGSTERS ARE,but there are an awful lot of them that self entitled little brats who need to go out and live a life(or maybe a little bit of life),and see how they get on in the real world.
Now I hope that answers your questions,if not tough.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Username Horsham 23 Jun 17 2.44pm
Originally posted by Jimenez I'm willing to bet that without the aid of Google 90% of people on here couldn't name their MEP if their life depended on it !! It's not the fault of the system if people can't be arsed to participate! Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

Username

Horsham 23 Jun 17 2.44pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

I'm willing to bet that without the aid of Google 90% of people on here couldn't name their MEP if their life depended on it !!

It's not the fault of the system if people can't be arsed to participate!

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

Hansy 23 Jun 17 2.46pm
Originally posted by elgrande Sorry did you not read my post....NOT ALL YOUNGSTERS ARE,but there are an awful lot of them that self entitled little brats who need to go out and live a life(or maybe a little bit of life),and see how they get on in the real world. Now I hope that answers your questions,if not tough. It's okay, Nick does this alot. He's like a HOL Politican Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 2.47pm)

Hansy

23 Jun 17 2.46pm

Originally posted by elgrande

It's okay, Nick does this alot. He's like a HOL Politican

Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 2.47pm)

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Jun 17 2.47pm
Originally posted by Username It's not the fault of the system if people can't be arsed to participate! Exactly. Which renders the pathetic boo-hooing of the losing Remain camp utterly void. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 23 Jun 17 2.47pm

Originally posted by Username

It's not the fault of the system if people can't be arsed to participate!

Exactly. Which renders the pathetic boo-hooing of the losing Remain camp utterly void.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Jun 17 2.48pm
Originally posted by elgrande First of all f*** off I don't have to answer to you,but secondly not all youngsters are,I have four children they all work live their lives and generally have a decent life. They don't expect anything for nothing and work hard for the things they do want(with the occasional help from the bank of dad),maybe it's the way they were bought up with no sense of entitlement.... Good answer and I agree with you. Your kids like mine all have good jobs and own their own houses due to the fact they worked there socks off getting an education without asking for free college fees and then doing a long apprenticeship and are now earning a decent wage. The youngsters who jumped on the bandwagon and voted for free EVERYTHING with Corbyn I feel sorry for as they will more than likely get a rude awakening when they end their college days and have a degree on butterfly farming or something just as silly and end up on the streets or poor Mum and Dad bailing them out. We see these youngsters every day and night in Plymouth just wasting their lives and money away. All they think of is p1ssing up and sh@gging and letting all the local people pay council tax and other bills so these so called budding scientists can live it up at university. I bet there are thousands of Palace fans that never went to Uni but instead worked hard for where they are today and did not sponge off the state but made a decent life for themselves. The youngsters of today are what I call "The Something for Nothing Generation" and who blame us oldies for everything including tuition fees and think they should be entitled to all the luxuries they want for nothing. Its a sad state we have let them get into this way of thinking. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Jun 17 2.48pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Good answer and I agree with you. Your kids like mine all have good jobs and own their own houses due to the fact they worked there socks off getting an education without asking for free college fees and then doing a long apprenticeship and are now earning a decent wage.
The youngsters who jumped on the bandwagon and voted for free EVERYTHING with Corbyn I feel sorry for as they will more than likely get a rude awakening when they end their college days and have a degree on butterfly farming or something just as silly and end up on the streets or poor Mum and Dad bailing them out. We see these youngsters every day and night in Plymouth just wasting their lives and money away. All they think of is p1ssing up and sh@gging and letting all the local people pay council tax and other bills so these so called budding scientists can live it up at university. I bet there are thousands of Palace fans that never went to Uni but instead worked hard for where they are today and did not sponge off the state but made a decent life for themselves. The youngsters of today are what I call "The Something for Nothing Generation" and who blame us oldies for everything including tuition fees and think they should be entitled to all the luxuries they want for nothing. Its a sad state we have let them get into this way of thinking.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Hansy 23 Jun 17 2.49pm
Originally posted by Username It's not the fault of the system if people can't be arsed to participate! I wouldn't like it if we had a Prime Minister the population didn't have a say about.

Hansy

23 Jun 17 2.49pm

Originally posted by Username

It's not the fault of the system if people can't be arsed to participate!

I wouldn't like it if we had a Prime Minister the population didn't have a say about.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Jun 17 2.51pm
Originally posted by Username It's not the fault of the system if people can't be arsed to participate! I would say it is the fault of the system. Another layer of government? Who'd of thunk it? We need LESS government in my opinion, even at a local level you have pissy little towns in the UK of say 50/60 thousand people which are top heavy with too many local councillors dipping their noses in the trough. The same with MPs far to many over 600 of the scumbags. Slash it to half the amount pay them a decent salary & let them earn their money for a change. in other words be truly transparent & accountable. LESS is Best!! Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Jun 17 2.51pm

Originally posted by Username

It's not the fault of the system if people can't be arsed to participate!

I would say it is the fault of the system. Another layer of government? Who'd of thunk it? We need LESS government in my opinion, even at a local level you have pissy little towns in the UK of say 50/60 thousand people which are top heavy with too many local councillors dipping their noses in the trough. The same with MPs far to many over 600 of the scumbags. Slash it to half the amount pay them a decent salary & let them earn their money for a change. in other words be truly transparent & accountable. LESS is Best!!

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elgrande bedford 23 Jun 17 2.51pm
Originally posted by Username I personally don't think it's a 'sense of entitlement' to ask for the same opportunities that other generations had. I think it's disgraceful to charge people £50k+ for their education. In the last ten years, the average deposit for a first time buyer in this country doubled from £16,000 to around £32,000. In London it's closer to £90,000. The average home now costs around eight times the average salary, which has doubled in twenty years. It's not possible to just 'work hard and save' for a house these days, particularly in London with the cost of renting. Oh, and by the time we retire (at a later age) our pensions are going to be completely screwed. Sense of entitlement my arse. No I don't want your arse...or is that you acting like one. If you can't afford London..move out side of it a bit,it is what my eldest son did. And my eldest daughter pays £1200 per month in rent,and works 2 jobs to do it.her other half works full time to,but they have a good life and her daughter doesn't want for anything,she is 9 and unlike all her friends does not have a mobile,because her parents do not think she should have one in till she starts secondary school. Parameters.. Of course she would like to buy,but she also knows it won't be for a while,and then probably just co ownership. My point is she has a good life... always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 23 Jun 17 2.51pm

Originally posted by Username

I personally don't think it's a 'sense of entitlement' to ask for the same opportunities that other generations had.

I think it's disgraceful to charge people £50k+ for their education.

Sense of entitlement my arse.

No I don't want your arse...or is that you acting like one.
If you can't afford London..move out side of it a bit,it is what my eldest son did.
And my eldest daughter pays £1200 per month in rent,and works 2 jobs to do it.her other half works full time to,but they have a good life and her daughter doesn't want for anything,she is 9 and unlike all her friends does not have a mobile,because her parents do not think she should have one in till she starts secondary school.
Parameters..
Of course she would like to buy,but she also knows it won't be for a while,and then probably just co ownership.
My point is she has a good life...

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Hansy 23 Jun 17 2.51pm
Originally posted by susmik Good answer and I agree with you. Your kids like mine all have good jobs and own their own houses due to the fact they worked there socks off getting an education without asking for free college fees and then doing a long apprenticeship and are now earning a decent wage. The youngsters who jumped on the bandwagon and voted for free EVERYTHING with Corbyn I feel sorry for as they will more than likely get a rude awakening when they end their college days and have a degree on butterfly farming or something just as silly and end up on the streets or poor Mum and Dad bailing them out. We see these youngsters every day and night in Plymouth just wasting their lives and money away. All they think of is p1ssing up and sh@gging and letting all the local people pay council tax and other bills so these so called budding scientists can live it up at university. I bet there are thousands of Palace fans that never went to Uni but instead worked hard for where they are today and did not sponge off the state but made a decent life for themselves. The youngsters of today are what I call "The Something for Nothing Generation" and who blame us oldies for everything including tuition fees and think they should be entitled to all the luxuries they want for nothing. Its a sad state we have let them get into this way of thinking. Isn't there a degree on studying David Beckham? I never went to Uni. I stopped at A-Levels when I realised I needed money to help support my single mother and my two younger brothers. Worked my socks off to where I am now, Mortgage, 3 kids and a wife next year (If she is lucky!). Which is why I prefer my kids to go for Apprenticeships rather than Uni.

Hansy

23 Jun 17 2.51pm

Originally posted by susmik

Isn't there a degree on studying David Beckham?

I never went to Uni. I stopped at A-Levels when I realised I needed money to help support my single mother and my two younger brothers. Worked my socks off to where I am now, Mortgage, 3 kids and a wife next year (If she is lucky!).

Which is why I prefer my kids to go for Apprenticeships rather than Uni.

elgrande bedford 23 Jun 17 3.00pm
Originally posted by Hansy Isn't there a degree on studying David Beckham? I never went to Uni. I stopped at A-Levels when I realised I needed money to help support my single mother and my two younger brothers. Worked my socks off to where I am now, Mortgage, 3 kids and a wife next year (If she is lucky!). Which is why I prefer my kids to go for Apprenticeships rather than Uni. This one of my biggest problems,why the hell does everyone need to go to university, as you said we don't have enough building trades now. Apprenticeships are the way forward for both boys and girls. My younger son could have gone to uni if he really wanted to,but he chose the army,and loves it he's now a corporal ,has seen a lot of the world( the nasty bits to),but as any squaddie past or present will tell you he has mates that he will have for the rest of his life. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 23 Jun 17 3.00pm

Originally posted by Hansy

Isn't there a degree on studying David Beckham?

Which is why I prefer my kids to go for Apprenticeships rather than Uni.

This one of my biggest problems,why the hell does everyone need to go to university, as you said we don't have enough building trades now.
Apprenticeships are the way forward for both boys and girls.
My younger son could have gone to uni if he really wanted to,but he chose the army,and loves it he's now a corporal
,has seen a lot of the world( the nasty bits to),but as any squaddie past or present will tell you he has mates that he will have for the rest of his life.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Jun 17 3.08pm
Originally posted by Hansy It's okay, Nick does this alot. He's like a HOL Politican Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 2.47pm) He's not even a politician. He's a pre-programmed, one-dimensional, 1970s sht-spouter. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 23 Jun 17 3.08pm

Originally posted by Hansy

It's okay, Nick does this alot. He's like a HOL Politican

Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 2.47pm)

He's not even a politician. He's a pre-programmed, one-dimensional, 1970s sh*t-spouter.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Username Horsham 23 Jun 17 3.14pm
Originally posted by elgrande No I don't want your arse...or is that you acting like one. If you can't afford London..move out side of it a bit,it is what my eldest son did. And my eldest daughter pays £1200 per month in rent,and works 2 jobs to do it.her other half works full time to,but they have a good life and her daughter doesn't want for anything,she is 9 and unlike all her friends does not have a mobile,because her parents do not think she should have one in till she starts secondary school. Parameters.. Of course she would like to buy,but she also knows it won't be for a while,and then probably just co ownership. My point is she has a good life... I have a good life. My point is, don't tell me young people are entitled when on average we work longer hours than any other generation before us and get paid less on average to do it, with far less chance of turning that wage into home ownership. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

Username

Horsham 23 Jun 17 3.14pm

Originally posted by elgrande

No I don't want your arse...or is that you acting like one.
If you can't afford London..move out side of it a bit,it is what my eldest son did.
And my eldest daughter pays £1200 per month in rent,and works 2 jobs to do it.her other half works full time to,but they have a good life and her daughter doesn't want for anything,she is 9 and unlike all her friends does not have a mobile,because her parents do not think she should have one in till she starts secondary school.
Parameters..
Of course she would like to buy,but she also knows it won't be for a while,and then probably just co ownership.
My point is she has a good life...

I have a good life. My point is, don't tell me young people are entitled when on average we work longer hours than any other generation before us and get paid less on average to do it, with far less chance of turning that wage into home ownership.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

elgrande bedford 23 Jun 17 3.21pm
Originally posted by Username I have a good life. My point is, don't tell me young people are entitled when on average we work longer hours than any other generation before us and get paid less on average to do it, with far less chance of turning that wage into home ownership. Erm,I spent 30 years as a cab driver working 7 days a week....plenty of hours there. And now I drive a truck 5 days a week and start work at 4am...for a lot less,so yes I understand that but my point if you want something you have to work for it. I have smoked most of my life (40 Marlboro a day),but giving up because I want well first of all to stay alive ,and I want to upgrade my car big time,and don't want to use finance..so I have to work a little harder and give up the cigs. If you want something then you have to make sacrifices even at my age. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 23 Jun 17 3.21pm

Originally posted by Username

Erm,I spent 30 years as a cab driver working 7 days a week....plenty of hours there.
And now I drive a truck 5 days a week and start work at 4am...for a lot less,so yes I understand that but my point if you want something you have to work for it.
I have smoked most of my life (40 Marlboro a day),but giving up because I want well first of all to stay alive ,and I want to upgrade my car big time,and don't want to use finance..so I have to work a little harder and give up the cigs.

If you want something then you have to make sacrifices even at my age.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 3.48pm
Originally posted by elgrande Sorry did you not read my post....NOT ALL YOUNGSTERS ARE,but there are an awful lot of them that self entitled little brats who need to go out and live a life(or maybe a little bit of life),and see how they get on in the real world. Now I hope that answers your questions,if not tough. Read what I wrote. I said others not you. Hope that brings down your blood pressure.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 3.48pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Read what I wrote. I said others not you.

Hope that brings down your blood pressure.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by Hansy It's okay, Nick does this alot. He's like a HOL Politican Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 2.47pm) He didn't read my post properly.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by Hansy

It's okay, Nick does this alot. He's like a HOL Politican

Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 2.47pm)

He didn't read my post properly.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 3.54pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt He's not even a politician. He's a pre-programmed, one-dimensional, 1970s sh*t-spouter. You changed after the election.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 3.54pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

He's not even a politician. He's a pre-programmed, one-dimensional, 1970s sh*t-spouter.

You changed after the election.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Jun 17 3.59pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You changed after the election. No, my tolerance of you evaporated after the election. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 23 Jun 17 3.59pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You changed after the election.

No, my tolerance of you evaporated after the election.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 4.13pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt No, my tolerance of you evaporated after the election. When you realised more people had similar views to mine and Corbyn didn't lose labour all of their seats. Not the only one with sour grapes after being wildly wrong.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 4.13pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

No, my tolerance of you evaporated after the election.

When you realised more people had similar views to mine and Corbyn didn't lose labour all of their seats.
Not the only one with sour grapes after being wildly wrong.

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