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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 04 Nov 16 10.50am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I will keep out of this debate as it will clearly evolve into a vitriolic WILLO thread. If I had posted some of the things on here, posted by a particular member I would be accused of being a "Troll" and "Attention seeker" etc etc. Rather than give any credence to certain posts I will ignore some of the hogwash and won't rise to any bait. So that's it from me on this thread.
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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 04 Nov 16 10.50am | |
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An argument that the referendum was advisory is nonsense because of our political system of "first by the post". However, nothing is done "democratically" these days. Wealth means control and so will ultimately determine the outcome. There has never been any doubt in my mind about what would happen. Inevitably, we appear to be devoid of innovation and ideas as well as the leadership to take advantage of opportunities that Brexit actually presents. Easier for the brain dead and static lard ar$e$ to whine about what happened today than think about tomorrow. Should never have had the referendum in the first place but focusing the pre-referendum debate on such a narrow set of issues was ridiculous. Not having a plan B was downright inept. Self-interest groups throwing their toys out of the pram was entirely predictable.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Nov 16 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There never will be and I never will. I think you can have a more equitable society - I don't think you have a have a truly equitable society
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Kermit8 Hevon 04 Nov 16 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Whilst I voted for, and still want Brexit, I do have to agree with some of this. The error was the wording on the literature that went with the referendum. Promising that voting for it would make it so was not something that could be promised. It wasn't the only load of sh*te we were dealt in the lead up either. From my point of view, I just hope that it sews up any questions about the legality of things with minimal delay (although the telegraph report a potential year delay). Pro or Anti, no one could be hoping for a delay to this because the uncertainty is doing nobody any good. The only reason I can see any Remainers wanting a delay is that a delay could turn into an attempt to brush the whole thing under the carpet. I want a delay to be proved right Another reason is the whole referendum thing was rather rushed without proper transparency and vital information withheld from both sides to enable a truly democratic vote to have taken place. Debates were childish and thoughtless and emotive. More so from the Brexit side, i thought. "Scaremongering" that oft-used quick off the mark phrase when someone was, perhaps, telling the truth, was not what was needed when critical analysis was. If May said Article 50 would not be invoked for another 12-18 months in order to get ourselves truly ready for it then that would be much more acceptable. As it stands, we are most definitely not. Ready.
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richard shaw (og)65 my minds eye 04 Nov 16 11.16am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I will keep out of this debate as it will clearly evolve into a vitriolic WILLO thread. If I had posted some of the things on here, posted by a particular member I would be accused of being a "Troll" and "Attention seeker" etc etc. Rather than give any credence to certain posts I will ignore some of the hogwash and won't rise to any bait. So that's it from me on this thread. willo thread
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Kermit8 Hevon 04 Nov 16 11.18am | |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
An argument that the referendum was advisory is nonsense because of our political system of "first by the post". However, nothing is done "democratically" these days. Wealth means control and so will ultimately determine the outcome. There has never been any doubt in my mind about what would happen. Inevitably, we appear to be devoid of innovation and ideas as well as the leadership to take advantage of opportunities that Brexit actually presents. Easier for the brain dead and static lard ar$e$ to whine about what happened today than think about tomorrow. Should never have had the referendum in the first place but focusing the pre-referendum debate on such a narrow set of issues was ridiculous. Not having a plan B was downright inept. Self-interest groups throwing their toys out of the pram was entirely predictable. Totally spot-on. The wrong people are in power for Brexit to work at the moment. They exude incompetence. Cameron fvcked-up in a such a big way politically two years back it almost beggars belief for such a bright man.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 16 11.33am | |
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Brexit Tory MP resigns...
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Nov 16 11.33am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
If the economy does well, we will all be toasting our cleverness in voting Brexit; or acknowledging how silly we were to vote Remain. On the other hand, if the predicted collapse happens, it will not be the elite who fall by the way side; it will be the likes of you and I Hrolfy me old mate who slip into the mire. The wealthy generally do OK but this is about putting a spanner in the works of their influence on so called democracy.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 16 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The wealthy generally do OK but this is about putting a spanner in the works of their influence on so called democracy. Do you really believe the current lot in power wouldn't make things betterer for the wealthy and worserer for Joe Public? They want to get rid of using the ECHR ffs, can you imagine what they'd replace it with and who this would impact?
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Nov 16 11.38am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
You're sounding f*cking hilarious more like. Those elitist judges, doing their jobs and applying British law as handed down for centuries - the pricks. It is a clear attempt to undermine democracy and allow at the very least an attempt to enforce a soft Brexit through Parliament. The judiciary have allowed it to happen. What it will actually mean is a pointless delay or a general election which will see Labour totally destroyed at the polls.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Nov 16 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you really believe the current lot in power wouldn't make things betterer for the wealthy and worserer for Joe Public? They want to get rid of using the ECHR ffs, can you imagine what they'd replace it with and who this would impact? The public have had their say on what they think of Labour policy and with your current idiot in charge you will be lucky to finish third next time.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Nov 16 11.42am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think you can have a more equitable society - I don't think you have a have a truly equitable society I think I already said that.
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