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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Jun 17 4.18pm
Brexit could definitely be a success. But the degree of faith I have in the current government, who managed to fk up a dead cert landslide election makes me want to say they could burn a fking salad. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 27 Jun 17 4.18pm

Brexit could definitely be a success. But the degree of faith I have in the current government, who managed to f**k up a dead cert landslide election makes me want to say they could burn a f**king salad.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

steeleye20 Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.19pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Parliament has “remained sovereign throughout our membership to the EU” despite people “not always feeling like that”, the Brexit White Paper says. You lot contradict yourselves at pretty much every corner. It's literally like a religion. Does Stirling think that the referendum was called by the EU for example ?

steeleye20

Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.19pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Parliament has “remained sovereign throughout our membership to the EU” despite people “not always feeling like that”, the Brexit White Paper says.

You lot contradict yourselves at pretty much every corner. It's literally like a religion.

Does Stirling think that the referendum was called by the EU for example ?

Stirlingsays 27 Jun 17 4.22pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Parliament has “remained sovereign throughout our membership to the EU” despite people “not always feeling like that”, the Brexit White Paper says. You lot contradict yourselves at pretty much every corner. It's literally like a religion. Parliament is stuffed full of remainers yet you quote the white paper at me.....Even the PM's and most of the Tory front bench are remainers. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

27 Jun 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Parliament has “remained sovereign throughout our membership to the EU” despite people “not always feeling like that”, the Brexit White Paper says.

You lot contradict yourselves at pretty much every corner. It's literally like a religion.

Parliament is stuffed full of remainers yet you quote the white paper at me.....Even the PM's and most of the Tory front bench are remainers.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 27 Jun 17 4.24pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Does Stirling think that the referendum was called by the EU for example ? Steeleye20, I'm not saying you're dim, but if you were a lightbulb I'd need a replacement. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2017 4.25pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

27 Jun 17 4.24pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Does Stirling think that the referendum was called by the EU for example ?

Steeleye20, I'm not saying you're dim, but if you were a lightbulb I'd need a replacement.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2017 4.25pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

hedgehog50 Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.28pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Parliament has “remained sovereign throughout our membership to the EU” despite people “not always feeling like that”, the Brexit White Paper says. You lot contradict yourselves at pretty much every corner. It's literally like a religion. Do you know the meaning of the word 'literally'? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.28pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Parliament has “remained sovereign throughout our membership to the EU” despite people “not always feeling like that”, the Brexit White Paper says.

You lot contradict yourselves at pretty much every corner. It's literally like a religion.

Do you know the meaning of the word 'literally'?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

steeleye20 Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Steeleye20, I'm not saying you're dim, but if you were a lightbulb I'd need a replacement. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2017 4.25pm) So you do think that we are not sovereign in which case the EU did call the referendum.

steeleye20

Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Steeleye20, I'm not saying you're dim, but if you were a lightbulb I'd need a replacement.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2017 4.25pm)

So you do think that we are not sovereign in which case the EU did call the referendum.

Mstrobez 27 Jun 17 4.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Parliament is stuffed full of remainers yet you quote the white paper at me.....Even the PM's and most of the Tory front bench are remainers. If the PM is still a remainer and you honestly think we're gonna achieve more with her at the helm, not "maybe the same in 5/10/20 years" then I really don't know where else to go with this to be honest. If leave was such a good idea, why did Nige and co consistently talk about Switzerland and Norway? Every single interview, debate, Question Time appearance. "Switzerland, Norway, Switzerland, Norway" Oh yeah, because he was manipulating the country into believing that there are other countries out there who freely trade with their neighbours in the largest economic block in the world without having to abide by all those "silly regulations" by those "unelected buerorcrats in Brussels", who seem to love nothing more than pissing Britain off. But yeah it turns out that's not true is it. This idea that we're gonna go accross the world with our 65 million customers and have a trading arrangement that's more prosperous for us than the single market without any regulation is delusional beyond belief. No one wants the country to fail, so you can throw that at me all you want, but at least be honest. The only reason for Brexit is not liking immigration, it winds me up when people don't admit that, the rest of the argument is twisted and stupid mantra about control and sovereignty that is exposed time and time again. Edited by Mstrobez (27 Jun 2017 4.37pm) We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

27 Jun 17 4.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Parliament is stuffed full of remainers yet you quote the white paper at me.....Even the PM's and most of the Tory front bench are remainers.

If the PM is still a remainer and you honestly think we're gonna achieve *more* with her at the helm, not "maybe the same in 5/10/20 years" then I really don't know where else to go with this to be honest. If leave was such a good idea, why did Nige and co consistently talk about Switzerland and Norway? Every single interview, debate, Question Time appearance. "Switzerland, Norway, Switzerland, Norway" Oh yeah, because he was manipulating the country into believing that there are other countries out there who freely trade with their neighbours in the largest economic block in the world without having to abide by all those "silly regulations" by those "unelected buerorcrats in Brussels", who seem to love nothing more than pissing Britain off. But yeah it turns out that's not true is it. This idea that we're gonna go accross the world with our 65 million customers and have a trading arrangement that's more prosperous for us than the single market without any regulation is delusional beyond belief. No one wants the country to fail, so you can throw that at me all you want, but at least be honest. The only reason for Brexit is not liking immigration, it winds me up when people don't admit that, the rest of the argument is twisted and stupid mantra about control and sovereignty that is exposed time and time again.

Edited by Mstrobez (27 Jun 2017 4.37pm)

We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez 27 Jun 17 4.36pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Do you know the meaning of the word 'literally'? Yes, in this context it's used for emphasis whilst not being exactly true. I.e. You don't all sit down and pray to Nigel Farage but you still follow something that rejects every piece of evidence, logic and expert opinion. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

27 Jun 17 4.36pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Do you know the meaning of the word 'literally'?

Yes, in this context it's used for emphasis whilst not being exactly true. I.e. You don't all sit down and pray to Nigel Farage but you still follow something that rejects every piece of evidence, logic and expert opinion.

We're the Arthur over ere!

Kermit8 Hevon 27 Jun 17 4.40pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Brexit could definitely be a success. But the degree of faith I have in the current government, who managed to fk up a dead cert landslide election makes me want to say they could burn a fking salad. It's already a success. For those that wanted 'out' no matter what. Ask Stirling or Dave. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 27 Jun 17 4.40pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It's already a success. For those that wanted 'out' no matter what. Ask Stirling or Dave.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Mstrobez 27 Jun 17 4.42pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 It's already a success. For those that wanted 'out' no matter what. Ask Stirling or Dave. The sad thing is they will never ever concede that either. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

27 Jun 17 4.42pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

It's already a success. For those that wanted 'out' no matter what. Ask Stirling or Dave.

The sad thing is they will never ever concede that either.

We're the Arthur over ere!

Kermit8 Hevon 27 Jun 17 4.45pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez The sad thing is they will never ever concede that either. Only if it directly affects them very negatively - other people don't matter - would they even consider the opposing arguments and a reality and even then they would have to bashed around the head with their P45s and last pay packet in coins for about a week for it to sink in. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 27 Jun 17 4.45pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

The sad thing is they will never ever concede that either.

Only if it directly affects them very negatively - other people don't matter - would they even consider the opposing arguments and a reality and even then they would have to bashed around the head with their P45s and last pay packet in coins for about a week for it to sink in.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

steeleye20 Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.46pm
Actually it would not be a great surprise to me that brexit is not about the UK leaving the UK but the opposite. The EU is leaving the UK. Got space for one more on the boat?

steeleye20

Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.46pm

Actually it would not be a great surprise to me that brexit is not about the UK leaving the UK but the opposite.

The EU is leaving the UK.

Got space for one more on the boat?

steeleye20 Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.46pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Actually it would not be a great surprise to me that brexit is not about the UK leaving the EU but the opposite. The EU is leaving the UK. Got space for one more on the boat?

steeleye20

Croydon 27 Jun 17 4.46pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Actually it would not be a great surprise to me that brexit is not about the UK leaving the EU but the opposite.

The EU is leaving the UK.

Got space for one more on the boat?

Mstrobez 27 Jun 17 4.51pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I've got a friend who keeps banging the line "as if America would let anyone ever control their laws". I did 6 google searches for him - "What does USA stand for" "Definition of United" "Definition of Union" "Population of USA" "Population of the EU" "Population of UK" I took a screenshot of each search result and sent it to him. He stopped replying so I don't think he understood. Edited by Mstrobez (27 Jun 2017 4.52pm) We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

27 Jun 17 4.51pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I've got a friend who keeps banging the line "as if America would let anyone ever control their laws".

I did 6 google searches for him -

"What does USA stand for"

"Definition of United"

"Definition of Union"

"Population of USA"

"Population of the EU"

"Population of UK"

I took a screenshot of each search result and sent it to him. He stopped replying so I don't think he understood.

Edited by Mstrobez (27 Jun 2017 4.52pm)

We're the Arthur over ere!

Stirlingsays 27 Jun 17 4.56pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 It's already a success. For those that wanted 'out' no matter what. Ask Stirling or Dave. Well when it is you're going to look a right plonker. So no change really. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

27 Jun 17 4.56pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

It's already a success. For those that wanted 'out' no matter what. Ask Stirling or Dave.

Well when it is you're going to look a right plonker.

So no change really.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 27 Jun 17 5.00pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Actually it would not be a great surprise to me that brexit is not about the UK leaving the UK but the opposite. The EU is leaving the UK. Got space for one more on the boat? Are you still here? For you I'm sure they will make room....but only for a one way ticket. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

27 Jun 17 5.00pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Actually it would not be a great surprise to me that brexit is not about the UK leaving the UK but the opposite.

The EU is leaving the UK.

Got space for one more on the boat?

Are you still here?

For you I'm sure they will make room....but only for a one way ticket.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 27 Jun 17 5.02pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well when it is you're going to look a right plonker. So no change really. Are you privy to something the rest of the UK population is not? You have evidence of the guaranteed future success of Brexit amidst all the pitfalls? Do tell. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 27 Jun 17 5.02pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well when it is you're going to look a right plonker.

So no change really.

Are you privy to something the rest of the UK population is not? You have evidence of the guaranteed future success of Brexit amidst all the pitfalls? Do tell.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

steeleye20 Croydon 27 Jun 17 5.07pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Are you still here? For you I'm sure they will make room....but only for a one way ticket. No I don't want Mrs May to have the chance of nicking my pension.

steeleye20

Croydon 27 Jun 17 5.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Are you still here?

For you I'm sure they will make room....but only for a one way ticket.

No I don't want Mrs May to have the chance of nicking my pension.

Stirlingsays 27 Jun 17 5.28pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 No I don't want Mrs May to have the chance of nicking my pension. While we still have them....no one dies anymore...it's gone out of fashion. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

27 Jun 17 5.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No I don't want Mrs May to have the chance of nicking my pension.

While we still have them....no one dies anymore...it's gone out of fashion.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 27 Jun 17 5.33pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I agree a success can be made of Brexit. A lot of people say this and it is a typical meaningless piece of deflection. There is not and never has been, any plan for the UK after brexit, it is entirely a risk. As for the EU needing reform it will be in a much better place after brexit with no deal and no UK at all. I agree that there is no plan and the likely outcome will be very poor and the risk, given the Tories were in power, was not one worth taking, which is why I voted remain. Also the lies told by the Leave Campaign on financial and legal aspects of the EU was astounding and I was amazed so many people bought it. I don't think that the EU is necessary for the UK to be a successful economy which provides world leading education, public services, r&d etc. I would rather we stayed in but I do think, with the right economic policies and plan for Brexit it could be successful. I think the combo of Tories and Brexit will be a disaster though. This article I found quite compelling: [Link] Edited by CambridgeEagle (27 Jun 2017 5.37pm)

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 27 Jun 17 5.33pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I agree a success can be made of Brexit.

A lot of people say this and it is a typical meaningless piece of deflection.

There is not and never has been, any plan for the UK after brexit, it is entirely a risk.

As for the EU needing reform it will be in a much better place after brexit with no deal and no UK at all.

I agree that there is no plan and the likely outcome will be very poor and the risk, given the Tories were in power, was not one worth taking, which is why I voted remain. Also the lies told by the Leave Campaign on financial and legal aspects of the EU was astounding and I was amazed so many people bought it.

I don't think that the EU is necessary for the UK to be a successful economy which provides world leading education, public services, r&d etc. I would rather we stayed in but I do think, with the right economic policies and plan for Brexit it could be successful.

I think the combo of Tories and Brexit will be a disaster though. This article I found quite compelling:

[Link]

Edited by CambridgeEagle (27 Jun 2017 5.37pm)

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