The problem may be that putin might want this attack hidden. How can he ally a retaliation to a home attack and still call it a special operation. If Ukraine could find a way to disguise the drones in a stealth way then it would possibly bring Russia to the table for talks if attacks got more regular. There are allegedly anti putin factions possibly growing in size within Russia.

When has attacking civilian targets ever made a peace deal more likely? Putin is actually a lot more popular in Russia than say Biden is in America or Sunak here.

Also, Wagner had 25 thousand of the best troops and equipment yet weren't willing to fight their own to overthrow Putin.....Not that Wagner were pro peace deal anyway and appear to have been redirected to cause trouble for western interests in Africa and train in Belarus.

Most of the opposition to Putin is more hardline not pro western.
Just as you and me have been raised to instinctively dislike Russia so have they with the west....Anyway, the idea of opening up Russia to tranny story hour and kneeling for BLM isn't exactly popular.

Russia is mobilizing again and unless Ukraine can get Russia to capitulate this war has no end in sight.....frankly I'm not seeing how Ukraine was ever able to beat Russia. They will eventually run out of men and mercenaries a long time before Russia do.

I'll say it again, but the peace deal in March 21 was the best possible outcome unless you actually want a war with Russia itself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Aug 2023 12.54pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Which the main players in the West clearly want. And all to stop Germany benefiting from gas being sold to it directly by Russia. This entire s***-storm is about effectively making Germany economically dependendent on the US and Middle Eastern fuel supplies and ultimately keeping the EU as nothing more than a glorified talking shop.

Oddly enough this war has made me reassess my position on Brexit more than anything else because my assertion that the EU, potentially at least on paper, has the potential to become perhaps the dominant world super-power is borne out fully by this ongoing farce to screw it over.

An EU in alliance, and possible inclusion, with Russia would be MASSIVE. Nothing in the world to come close to touching it on a multiple of levels.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

That's the Richard Spencer position.

The problem is that the EU is pozzed and is currently replacing the likes of you and me. The middle classes are almost entirely a social liberal and/or leftist powerbase and they control all the institutional toys......So even voting for the right doesn't currently work.

I agree with you that keeping Europe under the US's heel is the unspoken position of the US and has been since the world wars. They want to protect their hegemony amid rising alternative powerbases in the world.

My analysis that much like having several non aligned big thugs in the playground results in more fights that'll be the result of how the world is going now.

And when your biggest punch is nuclear the obvious threat of that doesn't need to be stated.....though apparently some idiots actually think that a nuclear attack wouldn't be that bad.

Pushing Russia close to China was just about the most stupid thing I've ever witnessed on the geopolitical stage.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Aug 2023 1.08pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I'm not ready to give up being English/British just yet but yes, I'm also increasingly pan European just on a survival basis.

I think you can be both just as you can be Welsh/British but within the global context what you are saying is inevitable.

However, it's also the case that the likes of you and me are like Democrats stuck in the old Soviet Union.....We see the sense of the union but its nature hates us.....and itself.

Just like the Soviet Union, its future is lower competency and increasing division but that was due to its economic model and corruption while with the EU it's due to its elevation of egalitarianism and diversity over meritocracy and group preference.

While we live our short lifespans we witness a snapshot of the decline of this particular empire.....What comes after it? The Muslims will probably gradually take Europe the way it's going at the moment.

Absurdly enough east Europe and Russia will probably survive the longest.....or maybe that's where the erosion is stopped.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Aug 2023 2.09pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

An update on Lira.

Mark Sleboda, a political analyst on RTV said that Lira was stopped by Ukrainian border guards and has not been heard from since.

That doesn't mean it's true because as my previous post related a lot of TV talking heads are just message relayers for their regime and so we await confirmation.

But Lira hasn't posted since July 31st and he did say he would once over the border.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)