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Teddy Eagle 27 Jul 24 10.57am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Because it impacts us. If Trump gets in quite significantly, especially if he pulls back from NATO and cosies up to Putin again. So what are we expected to do about it? If Americans started advising British voters they wouldn't get much of a hearing.

Teddy Eagle

27 Jul 24 10.57am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Because it impacts us. If Trump gets in quite significantly, especially if he pulls back from NATO and cosies up to Putin again.

So what are we expected to do about it? If Americans started advising British voters they wouldn't get much of a hearing.

Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 27 Jul 24 11.06am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Because it impacts us. If Trump gets in quite significantly, especially if he pulls back from NATO and cosies up to Putin again. And if France pulls out of NATO (as reportedly the lead figure in the winning coalition has stated he would do)?… hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines

Sussex 27 Jul 24 11.06am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Because it impacts us. If Trump gets in quite significantly, especially if he pulls back from NATO and cosies up to Putin again.

And if France pulls out of NATO (as reportedly the lead figure in the winning coalition has stated he would do)?…

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 27 Jul 24 11.07am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So what are we expected to do about it? If Americans started advising British voters they wouldn't get much of a hearing. Didn’t Obama state that the UK shouldn’t leave the EU ahead of the Brexit vote? hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines

Sussex 27 Jul 24 11.07am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So what are we expected to do about it? If Americans started advising British voters they wouldn't get much of a hearing.

Didn’t Obama state that the UK shouldn’t leave the EU ahead of the Brexit vote?

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Teddy Eagle 27 Jul 24 11.10am
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines Didn’t Obama state that the UK shouldn’t leave the EU ahead of the Brexit vote? He did but I meant random posters on a football site.

Teddy Eagle

27 Jul 24 11.10am

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Didn’t Obama state that the UK shouldn’t leave the EU ahead of the Brexit vote?

He did but I meant random posters on a football site.

HKOwen Hong Kong 27 Jul 24 11.19am
Harris hasn't been to Europe either........what an interview If Trump stays on policies and failures of Biden and Dems he will win I don't think the swing states will go for a vacuous Commifornian, a l,ot of her past record will come out now from her time as " prosecutor ", she was an administrator for most of her time Edited by HKOwen (27 Jul 2024 11.22am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 27 Jul 24 11.19am

Harris hasn't been to Europe either........what an interview

If Trump stays on policies and failures of Biden and Dems he will win

I don't think the swing states will go for a vacuous Commifornian, a l,ot of her past record will come out now from her time as " prosecutor ", she was an administrator for most of her time

Edited by HKOwen (27 Jul 2024 11.22am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen Hong Kong 27 Jul 24 11.24am
Point was made today that Zelensky is not allowed under Ukraine law to do a deal with Putin but is making noises behind the scenes as he realises kicking Russia out of all Ukraines territory pre 2014 is likely impossible and Ukraine cannot keep up the meatgrinder endlessly Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 27 Jul 24 11.24am

Point was made today that Zelensky is not allowed under Ukraine law to do a deal with Putin but is making noises behind the scenes as he realises kicking Russia out of all Ukraines territory pre 2014 is likely impossible and Ukraine cannot keep up the meatgrinder endlessly

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Jul 24 11.27am
Originally posted by HKOwen Harris hasn't been to Europe either........what an interview If Trump stays on policies and failures of Biden and Dems he will win I don't think the swing states will go for a vacuous Commifornian, a l,ot of her past record will come out now from her time as " prosecutor ", she was an administrator for most of her time Edited by HKOwen (27 Jul 2024 11.22am) She done jailed all those black folk. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Jul 24 11.27am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Harris hasn't been to Europe either........what an interview

If Trump stays on policies and failures of Biden and Dems he will win

I don't think the swing states will go for a vacuous Commifornian, a l,ot of her past record will come out now from her time as " prosecutor ", she was an administrator for most of her time

Edited by HKOwen (27 Jul 2024 11.22am)

She done jailed all those black folk.

Red and Blue Army!

Badger11 Beckenham 27 Jul 24 12.26pm
BBC's thoughts on how Trump will go after Harris. [Link] It's not a bad assessment as they do acknowledge her short comings. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 27 Jul 24 12.26pm

BBC's thoughts on how Trump will go after Harris.

[Link]

It's not a bad assessment as they do acknowledge her short comings.

One more point

Houston Eagle Houston 27 Jul 24 12.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It’s no more “all true” than any statement that Trump makes! Which is unsurprising given where it originates. It’s a propaganda hit piece from a right wing website. So transparently so it will fool nobody but those already determined to vote for Trump. They don’t matter in this election any more than the determined anti-Trumpers. Harris will bring out the youth vote. She will galvanise the urban female vote. She will swing some of the undecided independents. It may not be enough, but it could be. Which looks a whole lot better than it was only a few days ago. The majority of statements are factually correct. I’m not attributing any virtues to Trump or right wing media, but merely saying that dispite Joe addressing the nation with “would I lie to you the American people”, the Dems lie and cheat as well!!! Listin to media this is not the case as they are the virtuous party who can do or tell no evil.

Houston Eagle

Houston 27 Jul 24 12.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It’s no more “all true” than any statement that Trump makes! Which is unsurprising given where it originates.

It’s a propaganda hit piece from a right wing website. So transparently so it will fool nobody but those already determined to vote for Trump. They don’t matter in this election any more than the determined anti-Trumpers.

Harris will bring out the youth vote. She will galvanise the urban female vote. She will swing some of the undecided independents. It may not be enough, but it could be.

Which looks a whole lot better than it was only a few days ago.

The majority of statements are factually correct. I’m not attributing any virtues to Trump or right wing media, but merely saying that dispite Joe addressing the nation with “would I lie to you the American people”, the Dems lie and cheat as well!!!

Listin to media this is not the case as they are the virtuous party who can do or tell no evil.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Jul 24 7.02pm
Originally posted by Houston Eagle The majority of statements are factually correct. I’m not attributing any virtues to Trump or right wing media, but merely saying that dispite Joe addressing the nation with “would I lie to you the American people”, the Dems lie and cheat as well!!! Listin to media this is not the case as they are the virtuous party who can do or tell no evil. Every politician in any country can be accused of lying. In truth almost everyone alive could be at some time, over something. Politicians who hold power cannot sometimes tell the whole truth for reasons of national security or to avoid compromising an investigation. Opposition politicians lie to deceive and make promises that they know cannot be fulfilled. It’s all a matter of degrees and on what scale you value those degrees. Lies, as with beauty, are in the perception of the holder. So the question is not going to be whether one group or the other thinks the other is lying. They both will. It’s how the group in the middle react. If Harris can be presented as a fresher, younger and dynamic alternative to the old men of the recent past, get out the young and active female vote, then there is every chance that her baggage will prove less weighty than Trump’s. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 27 Jul 24 7.02pm

Originally posted by Houston Eagle

Listin to media this is not the case as they are the virtuous party who can do or tell no evil.

Every politician in any country can be accused of lying. In truth almost everyone alive could be at some time, over something. Politicians who hold power cannot sometimes tell the whole truth for reasons of national security or to avoid compromising an investigation. Opposition politicians lie to deceive and make promises that they know cannot be fulfilled.

It’s all a matter of degrees and on what scale you value those degrees. Lies, as with beauty, are in the perception of the holder.

So the question is not going to be whether one group or the other thinks the other is lying. They both will. It’s how the group in the middle react. If Harris can be presented as a fresher, younger and dynamic alternative to the old men of the recent past, get out the young and active female vote, then there is every chance that her baggage will prove less weighty than Trump’s.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 27 Jul 24 8.11pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Every politician in any country can be accused of lying. In truth almost everyone alive could be at some time, over something. Politicians who hold power cannot sometimes tell the whole truth for reasons of national security or to avoid compromising an investigation. Opposition politicians lie to deceive and make promises that they know cannot be fulfilled. It’s all a matter of degrees and on what scale you value those degrees. Lies, as with beauty, are in the perception of the holder. So the question is not going to be whether one group or the other thinks the other is lying. They both will. It’s how the group in the middle react. If Harris can be presented as a fresher, younger and dynamic alternative to the old men of the recent past, get out the young and active female vote, then there is every chance that her baggage will prove less weighty than Trump’s. So the dems were full blow lying when trump was the president as you just stated about the opposition. Trump being in power and I paraphrase you, was lying a little maybe to protect national security or not to compromise any investigations.

cryrst

The garden of England 27 Jul 24 8.11pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It’s all a matter of degrees and on what scale you value those degrees. Lies, as with beauty, are in the perception of the holder.

So the dems were full blow lying when trump was the president as you just stated about the opposition. Trump being in power and I paraphrase you, was lying a little maybe to protect national security or not to compromise any investigations.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Jul 24 10.34pm
Originally posted by cryrst So the dems were full blow lying when trump was the president as you just stated about the opposition. Trump being in power and I paraphrase you, was lying a little maybe to protect national security or not to compromise any investigations. I didn’t say anything of the sort. As well you know. Accusations of lying doesn’t mean they are true. There is absolutely no need to tell lies about Trump. You have only to watch and listen to him to know that almost everything he says has little or no factual basis. So the Democrats aren’t lying about him. They are simply reporting on him. Lies can be told about many things. They can be excused if national security or investigations are involved but not when they involve everything that is said. Trump is an exceptional case who clearly has a poor grasp of reality. He seems to think that whatever he says, often on the spur of the moment, is true. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 27 Jul 24 10.34pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I didn’t say anything of the sort. As well you know.

Accusations of lying doesn’t mean they are true. There is absolutely no need to tell lies about Trump. You have only to watch and listen to him to know that almost everything he says has little or no factual basis. So the Democrats aren’t lying about him. They are simply reporting on him.

Lies can be told about many things. They can be excused if national security or investigations are involved but not when they involve everything that is said.

Trump is an exceptional case who clearly has a poor grasp of reality. He seems to think that whatever he says, often on the spur of the moment, is true.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 27 Jul 24 10.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I didn’t say anything of the sort. As well you know. Accusations of lying doesn’t mean they are true. There is absolutely no need to tell lies about Trump. You have only to watch and listen to him to know that almost everything he says has little or no factual basis. So the Democrats aren’t lying about him. They are simply reporting on him. Lies can be told about many things. They can be excused if national security or investigations are involved but not when they involve everything that is said. Trump is an exceptional case who clearly has a poor grasp of reality. He seems to think that whatever he says, often on the spur of the moment, is true. If he thinks it's true then is he lying?

Teddy Eagle

27 Jul 24 10.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn’t say anything of the sort. As well you know.

Lies can be told about many things. They can be excused if national security or investigations are involved but not when they involve everything that is said.

Trump is an exceptional case who clearly has a poor grasp of reality. He seems to think that whatever he says, often on the spur of the moment, is true.

If he thinks it's true then is he lying?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 24 8.23am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle If he thinks it's true then is he lying? If he truly believes it he is simply mistaken. I don’t though think he does. I think he is misrepresenting what was said. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 24 8.23am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

If he thinks it's true then is he lying?

If he truly believes it he is simply mistaken.

I don’t though think he does. I think he is misrepresenting what was said.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 28 Jul 24 9.44pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If he truly believes it he is simply mistaken. I don’t though think he does. I think he is misrepresenting what was said. So when you said He seems to think that whatever he says, often on the spur of the moment, is true. You didn't mean that he believes it's true.

Teddy Eagle

28 Jul 24 9.44pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If he truly believes it he is simply mistaken.

I don’t though think he does. I think he is misrepresenting what was said.

So when you said

He seems to think that whatever he says, often on the spur of the moment, is true.

You didn't mean that he believes it's true.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 24 10.54pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So when you said He seems to think that whatever he says, often on the spur of the moment, is true. You didn't mean that he believes it's true. That was directed at the poster. Not at Trump. I can see though how that might be misinterpreted for which I apologise. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 24 10.54pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So when you said

He seems to think that whatever he says, often on the spur of the moment, is true.

You didn't mean that he believes it's true.

That was directed at the poster. Not at Trump. I can see though how that might be misinterpreted for which I apologise.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 24 11.44pm
For those who think my views on Trump are unusual and not shared by Americans who must know better. Or indeed by some traditional Republican voters should watch this:- [Link] Or try this withering analysis:- [Link] Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Jul 2024 12.02am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 24 11.44pm

For those who think my views on Trump are unusual and not shared by Americans who must know better. Or indeed by some traditional Republican voters should watch this:-

[Link]

Or try this withering analysis:-

[Link]

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Jul 2024 12.02am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 29 Jul 24 12.38am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle For those who think my views on Trump are unusual and not shared by Americans who must know better. Or indeed by some traditional Republican voters should watch this:- [Link] Or try this withering analysis:- [Link] Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Jul 2024 12.02am) So what? Two left leaning outlets (TYT is the equivalent of a left wing Fox News) don't like Donald Trump. How earth shattering.

Teddy Eagle

29 Jul 24 12.38am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For those who think my views on Trump are unusual and not shared by Americans who must know better. Or indeed by some traditional Republican voters should watch this:-

[Link]

Or try this withering analysis:-

[Link]

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Jul 2024 12.02am)

So what? Two left leaning outlets (TYT is the equivalent of a left wing Fox News) don't like Donald Trump. How earth shattering.

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 29 Jul 24 5.37am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle For those who think my views on Trump are unusual and not shared by Americans who must know better. Or indeed by some traditional Republican voters should watch this:- [Link] Or try this withering analysis:- [Link] Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Jul 2024 12.02am) So because you share their views, it must be the 'real' truth. ? Laughable I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 29 Jul 24 5.37am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For those who think my views on Trump are unusual and not shared by Americans who must know better. Or indeed by some traditional Republican voters should watch this:-

[Link]

Or try this withering analysis:-

[Link]

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Jul 2024 12.02am)

So because you share their views, it must be the 'real' truth. ?

Laughable

I disengage, I turn the page.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 24 8.01am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So what? Two left leaning outlets (TYT is the equivalent of a left wing Fox News) don't like Donald Trump. How earth shattering. The people in the first are not left leaning at all! They are all traditional Republicans who voted for Trump in 2020 but won’t this time. Listen to their reasoning, which chimes with many of the things I am saying. Who published it is irrelevant. That the second is made by an outlet which has always opposed Trump is true, but to describe them as “left leaning” is a stretch. More important are the points being made, which are both hard hitting and have the truth running strongly in them. If the many Americans who were deeply concerned about having to make a choice between Biden and Trump see these kind of videos then now having Harris as the alternative to Trump is going to be reassuring. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 24 8.01am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So what? Two left leaning outlets (TYT is the equivalent of a left wing Fox News) don't like Donald Trump. How earth shattering.

The people in the first are not left leaning at all! They are all traditional Republicans who voted for Trump in 2020 but won’t this time. Listen to their reasoning, which chimes with many of the things I am saying. Who published it is irrelevant.

That the second is made by an outlet which has always opposed Trump is true, but to describe them as “left leaning” is a stretch. More important are the points being made, which are both hard hitting and have the truth running strongly in them.

If the many Americans who were deeply concerned about having to make a choice between Biden and Trump see these kind of videos then now having Harris as the alternative to Trump is going to be reassuring.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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