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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Jul 17 2.42pm

All those on this thread....notably Steeleye whathisname....Should watch this video of a discussion wit the Hungarian PM over Brexit before they continue with their ridiculous...the EU holds all the cards....the UK will be punished...it's all awful...narritives.

Their angle on Brexit is more about their views than anything connected to a balanced reality.

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I've also heard similar from Ireland's PM and business leaders in Germany and elsewhere in the EU.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jul 2017 3.33pm)

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 11 Jul 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Next you'll be asking why acid attacks on Muslims are deemed islamaphobic.

Still using the plural then.

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 11 Jul 17 3.59pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


If you say so but I am not sure Susie Dent would be happy.

OED - Terrorism - The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

We can tick off the first two points and as for the last we will have to wait to see if he is one of yours. The odds are not in your favour.

Thank you for confirming you have no idea if there was a political motive, resulting in this act failing to meet the dictionary definition of terrorism, no matter how much you wish it so. If you cannot understand that conformity to all clauses in a definition is a requirement for classification according to that definition, then I cannot help you. Should the dictionary definition change, or more information come to light, then I don't doubt the authorities will update this incident accordingly.

At present:

“While enquiries into this attack remain ongoing, there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,”

"One of mine". What's that then? Are you saying I would throw acid in the faces of people, or condone those that do? The "odds are not in my favour": you are attempting to connect me, or my views with the perpetrator and his/her views. Please clarify, as I would not be ruling out legal recourse. I have taken screenshots of your post. You are sailing very close to the wind.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jul 17 4.18pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Thank you for confirming you have no idea if there was a political motive, resulting in this act failing to meet the dictionary definition of terrorism, no matter how much you wish it so. If you cannot understand that conformity to all clauses in a definition is a requirement for classification according to that definition, then I cannot help you. Should the dictionary definition change, or more information come to light, then I don't doubt the authorities will update this incident accordingly.

At present:

“While enquiries into this attack remain ongoing, there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,”

"One of mine". What's that then? Are you saying I would throw acid in the faces of people, or condone those that do? The "odds are not in my favour": you are attempting to connect me, or my views with the perpetrator and his/her views. Please clarify, as I would not be ruling out legal recourse. I have taken screenshots of your post. You are sailing very close to the wind.

Someone who isn't a monkey?

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jul 17 4.20pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

You posted a link from the hilariously named newspaper 'The Independent', headlined, "Brexit vote sees highest spike in religious and racial hate crimes ever recorded."


Edited by hedgehog50 (11 Jul 2017 1.14pm)


Yes the independent said it.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jul 17 4.21pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Still using the plural then.

I'm not with you I'm afraid

 

elgrande Flag bedford 11 Jul 17 6.58pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'm not with you I'm afraid

You said acid attacks....as opposed to attack....

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 11 Jul 17 7.05pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Thank you for confirming you have no idea if there was a political motive, resulting in this act failing to meet the dictionary definition of terrorism, no matter how much you wish it so. If you cannot understand that conformity to all clauses in a definition is a requirement for classification according to that definition, then I cannot help you. Should the dictionary definition change, or more information come to light, then I don't doubt the authorities will update this incident accordingly.

At present:

“While enquiries into this attack remain ongoing, there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,”

"One of mine". What's that then? Are you saying I would throw acid in the faces of people, or condone those that do? The "odds are not in my favour": you are attempting to connect me, or my views with the perpetrator and his/her views. Please clarify, as I would not be ruling out legal recourse. I have taken screenshots of your post. You are sailing very close to the wind.

You know, Dave. Someone on the further Right side of politics who likes it really, really hard re: Brexit and is also not shy in having their two pennyworth all inclusive anti Muslim-rant even before the first victims have been put into the ambulance.

Now if that is not you then I must be thinking of some other poster who has written countless diatribes on here which if presented in court they may find a little embarrassing.

As for 'terrorism' - well if the acid thrower did not do it for warped political reasons then the attack is certainly akin to it and should be treated as severely if the law would allow which was the original point if you had taken my context on board within the old grey matter. It doesn't, I know.

Edited by Kermit8 (11 Jul 2017 7.16pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jul 17 7.22pm

Originally posted by elgrande

You said acid attacks....as opposed to attack....

Because there have been more than one perhaps?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 11 Jul 17 7.37pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Yes the independent said it.

Which kind of means it's not.

At least in the regard that the collection of these statistics is problematical and yet only mentioned by those critical or interested in balance.

This said, it would make sense to me that there would be an increase, regrettable but probable...it's not proven correctly however....The method of statistical collection is unreliable.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jul 2017 7.39pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jul 17 7.47pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Which kind of means it's not.

At least in the regard that the collection of these statistics is problematical and yet only mentioned by those critical or interested in balance.

This said, it would make sense to me that there would be an increase, regrettable but probable...it's not proven correctly however....The method of statistical collection is unreliable.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jul 2017 7.39pm)

The number of reported acid attacks on Muslims has gone up. There are reports that a lot of Europeans upping sticks and going home according to LBC last week because of changing attitudes towards them.

Of course we cannot lay the blame entirely at Brexit's feet, but constant anti immigrant media bias and rising islamaphobia have to my mind been ramped up by the whole 'take our country back' rhetoric that we saw during the campaign.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jul 17 8.29pm

Priceless.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Jul 17 8.34pm

James O'Brian is rather a useless bloke who really does not understand what a referendum is or actually means. Vince Cable is on another planet too. We ARE having Brexit and nothing will stop it I am afraid so people must live with that fact whether they like it or not!
The people have spoken..

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 11 Jul 17 8.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes the independent said it.

So you posted it just to expose how daft the headline was - good for you.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Jul 17 1.52am

Originally posted by nickgusset

The number of reported acid attacks on Muslims has gone up. There are reports that a lot of Europeans upping sticks and going home according to LBC last week because of changing attitudes towards them.

Of course we cannot lay the blame entirely at Brexit's feet, but constant anti immigrant media bias and rising islamaphobia have to my mind been ramped up by the whole 'take our country back' rhetoric that we saw during the campaign.

I think it's excellent that economic immigrants might not be coming here in the same numbers....though I would heavily dispute your certainty given the tiny time frame you speak of.

I'm pro British youth getting on and your pro economic immigrant belief systems have served them terribly over the the years. This countries companies won't train them because they can employ a foreigner instead, in many instances at lower wages.

'Rising islamaphobia'? What do you expect when you have their extremists blowing up children and murdering people on streets?
Let me ask you a question Nick, would you like to live in a country that was ruled by laws shaped by the Islamic religion?
You could easily fit into this 'islamaphobia' nonsense yourself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 1.53am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Jul 17 1.56am

Originally posted by susmik

James O'Brian is rather a useless bloke who really does not understand what a referendum is or actually means. Vince Cable is on another planet too. We ARE having Brexit and nothing will stop it I am afraid so people must live with that fact whether they like it or not!
The people have spoken..


As a journalist I rate his ability though obviously I strongly disagree with his some of his views.

The fact that the BBC employ him on Newsnight says a lot about their lack of political diversity in thought.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 1.56am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Jul 17 1.59am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Priceless.

So Nick, isn't this anti Brexit media bias and rising anti right hysteria?

 


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Mstrobez Flag 12 Jul 17 8.57am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So Nick, isn't this anti Brexit media bias and rising anti right hysteria?

Seeing as Nigel Farage has a show everyday on the exact same station daily at 7pm, I'd say definitely not. Never used to be a fan of O'Brien before Brexit but it is funny the way he toys with his callers. To be fair on him he always brings facts to the table and I respect him for not sitting on the fence. Too many people have conformed against this "remoaning" idea because a few brexit voters believe it's undemocratic to stand up for what you believe in.

 


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Hansy Flag 12 Jul 17 9.48am

Originally posted by nickgusset

The number of reported acid attacks on Muslims has gone up. There are reports that a lot of Europeans upping sticks and going home according to LBC last week because of changing attitudes towards them.

Of course we cannot lay the blame entirely at Brexit's feet, but constant anti immigrant media bias and rising islamaphobia have to my mind been ramped up by the whole 'take our country back' rhetoric that we saw during the campaign.

Typical left-winger, thinking the far right have taken over the country (Just look at the Hamburg riots to see that the Left). Acid attacks on Muslims has probably increased, but so has the targeting of young white girls, which is hardly ever reported.

How do LBC know more Europeans are leaving than coming to the UK. Have Europeans stopped emigrating to non-EU countries, because of the EU ties?

EU Migrants move to the UK for the better opportunity. We pay one of the best benefits in the EU, as well as our education (UP to 1 and Health service being free of charge no matter how much you earn. No wonder there has been an influx into the UK from the EU.

I am a strong believer in free movement if you have something to go there for. If you move to a country to claim benefits and stay unemployed then that is wrong. I want my taxes etc top look after the vulnerable British people first, those that have been in the armed service, or just those that have not been lucky. EU isn't a state, it's a Union.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 12 Jul 17 1.31pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Seeing as Nigel Farage has a show everyday on the exact same station daily at 7pm, I'd say definitely not. Never used to be a fan of O'Brien before Brexit but it is funny the way he toys with his callers. To be fair on him he always brings facts to the table and I respect him for not sitting on the fence. Too many people have conformed against this "remoaning" idea because a few brexit voters believe it's undemocratic to stand up for what you believe in.

Farage's show can hardly be pointed at compared to the sea of implicitly lefty progressive crap we are constantly subjected to daily on TV and films.

Besides, my post was a swipe at Nick's previous complaining post and so was made in context.

 


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