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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 17 1.35pm
Originally posted by Hansy Typical left-winger, thinking the far right have taken over the country (Just look at the Hamburg riots to see that the Left). Acid attacks on Muslims has probably increased, but so has the targeting of young white girls, which is hardly ever reported. How do LBC know more Europeans are leaving than coming to the UK. Have Europeans stopped emigrating to non-EU countries, because of the EU ties? EU Migrants move to the UK for the better opportunity. We pay one of the best benefits in the EU, as well as our education (UP to 1 and Health service being free of charge no matter how much you earn. No wonder there has been an influx into the UK from the EU. I am a strong believer in free movement if you have something to go there for. If you move to a country to claim benefits and stay unemployed then that is wrong. I want my taxes etc top look after the vulnerable British people first, those that have been in the armed service, or just those that have not been lucky. EU isn't a state, it's a Union. Lots of callers into the show explainedwhy they are leaving.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 17 1.35pm

Originally posted by Hansy

Typical left-winger, thinking the far right have taken over the country (Just look at the Hamburg riots to see that the Left). Acid attacks on Muslims has probably increased, but so has the targeting of young white girls, which is hardly ever reported.

How do LBC know more Europeans are leaving than coming to the UK. Have Europeans stopped emigrating to non-EU countries, because of the EU ties?

EU Migrants move to the UK for the better opportunity. We pay one of the best benefits in the EU, as well as our education (UP to 1 and Health service being free of charge no matter how much you earn. No wonder there has been an influx into the UK from the EU.

I am a strong believer in free movement if you have something to go there for. If you move to a country to claim benefits and stay unemployed then that is wrong. I want my taxes etc top look after the vulnerable British people first, those that have been in the armed service, or just those that have not been lucky. EU isn't a state, it's a Union.

Lots of callers into the show explainedwhy they are leaving.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 17 1.46pm
I imagine the positive spin on this [Link] is that those pesky Europeans won't be able to fly here.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 17 1.46pm

I imagine the positive spin on this [Link] is that those pesky Europeans won't be able to fly here.

npn Crowborough 12 Jul 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I imagine the positive spin on this [Link] is that those pesky Europeans won't be able to fly here. I don't really think there's any spin necessary. Is O'Leary seriously being considered as a reliable source for ANYTHING these days? Honestly, I've seen some dodgy sources (on both sides of the argument) but that one just about takes the biscuit

npn

Crowborough 12 Jul 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I imagine the positive spin on this [Link] is that those pesky Europeans won't be able to fly here.

I don't really think there's any spin necessary. Is O'Leary seriously being considered as a reliable source for ANYTHING these days?

Honestly, I've seen some dodgy sources (on both sides of the argument) but that one just about takes the biscuit

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 17 2.27pm
Originally posted by npn I don't really think there's any spin necessary. Is O'Leary seriously being considered as a reliable source for ANYTHING these days? Honestly, I've seen some dodgy sources (on both sides of the argument) but that one just about takes the biscuit TBF it's not the first time I've heard about the landing rights etc. Hopefully we can just carry on as before and transfer current arrangements. This is Theresa May we are talking about getting us through this though.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 17 2.27pm

Originally posted by npn

I don't really think there's any spin necessary. Is O'Leary seriously being considered as a reliable source for ANYTHING these days?

Honestly, I've seen some dodgy sources (on both sides of the argument) but that one just about takes the biscuit

TBF it's not the first time I've heard about the landing rights etc. Hopefully we can just carry on as before and transfer current arrangements. This is Theresa May we are talking about getting us through this though.

npn Crowborough 12 Jul 17 2.32pm
Originally posted by nickgusset TBF it's not the first time I've heard about the landing rights etc. Hopefully we can just carry on as before and transfer current arrangements. This is Theresa May we are talking about getting us through this though. True and I'm taking nothing for granted, but nobody will want flight restrictions (on any side). However, O'Leary is just a total tosspot (I'll probably be charged extra for that). Even in that article he seems to be gloating about European airports having more growth than they can handle (surely that's not actually a good thing). Still, if it means Ryanair no longer fly from the UK, then I'll be happy.

npn

Crowborough 12 Jul 17 2.32pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

TBF it's not the first time I've heard about the landing rights etc. Hopefully we can just carry on as before and transfer current arrangements. This is Theresa May we are talking about getting us through this though.

True and I'm taking nothing for granted, but nobody will want flight restrictions (on any side).

However, O'Leary is just a total tosspot (I'll probably be charged extra for that). Even in that article he seems to be gloating about European airports having more growth than they can handle (surely that's not actually a good thing).

Still, if it means Ryanair no longer fly from the UK, then I'll be happy.

elgrande bedford 12 Jul 17 3.10pm
Originally posted by npn True and I'm taking nothing for granted, but nobody will want flight restrictions (on any side). However, O'Leary is just a total tosspot (I'll probably be charged extra for that). Even in that article he seems to be gloating about European airports having more growth than they can handle (surely that's not actually a good thing). Still, if it means Ryanair no longer fly from the UK, then I'll be happy. I agree can't stand the t***,and after that rant I am no longer gonna book my trip to Metz on the 29th with him. I shall find another way. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 12 Jul 17 3.10pm

Originally posted by npn

True and I'm taking nothing for granted, but nobody will want flight restrictions (on any side).

Still, if it means Ryanair no longer fly from the UK, then I'll be happy.

I agree can't stand the t***,and after that rant I am no longer gonna book my trip to Metz on the 29th with him.
I shall find another way.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Hansy 12 Jul 17 3.22pm
As much as I agree with the free movement, I don't see why the ECJ need to have jurisdiction?

Hansy

12 Jul 17 3.22pm

As much as I agree with the free movement, I don't see why the ECJ need to have jurisdiction?

npn Crowborough 12 Jul 17 3.31pm
Originally posted by Hansy As much as I agree with the free movement, I don't see why the ECJ need to have jurisdiction? The EU argument is that, if they don't, we can just "change our laws" and screw any EU nationals left here at our whim. Not sure why that's different with the ECJ - surely we could equally agree to it then just change our laws and write the ECJ out afterwards?

npn

Crowborough 12 Jul 17 3.31pm

Originally posted by Hansy

As much as I agree with the free movement, I don't see why the ECJ need to have jurisdiction?

The EU argument is that, if they don't, we can just "change our laws" and screw any EU nationals left here at our whim. Not sure why that's different with the ECJ - surely we could equally agree to it then just change our laws and write the ECJ out afterwards?

Stirlingsays 12 Jul 17 3.31pm
Originally posted by Hansy As much as I agree with the free movement, I don't see why the ECJ need to have jurisdiction? I'm curious as to why. Upon what basis do you agree with free movement? Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 3.33pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Jul 17 3.31pm

Originally posted by Hansy

As much as I agree with the free movement, I don't see why the ECJ need to have jurisdiction?

I'm curious as to why. Upon what basis do you agree with free movement?

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 3.33pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hansy 12 Jul 17 3.39pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm curious as to why. Upon what basis do you agree with free movement? Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 3.33pm) For me I am happy with free movement if those immigrating have jobs lined up, or actively looking to work in the UK. I discussed my version a few posts up, I don't agree with immigrating and taking advantage of a country's system. Couldn't the laws change in the EU? I mean if they think the UK will change laws, couldn't they after also?

Hansy

12 Jul 17 3.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm curious as to why. Upon what basis do you agree with free movement?

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 3.33pm)

For me I am happy with free movement if those immigrating have jobs lined up, or actively looking to work in the UK. I discussed my version a few posts up, I don't agree with immigrating and taking advantage of a country's system.

Couldn't the laws change in the EU? I mean if they think the UK will change laws, couldn't they after also?

Stirlingsays 12 Jul 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by Hansy For me I am happy with free movement if those immigrating have jobs lined up, or actively looking to work in the UK. I discussed my version a few posts up, I don't agree with immigrating and taking advantage of a country's system. Couldn't the laws change in the EU? I mean if they think the UK will change laws, couldn't they after also? To a limited extent I agree. A government should be able to allow jobs to be filled that it deems necessary. Still, I wouldn't really call this free movement....A bespoke version of it perhaps. However I would be careful with a system like this as it's open to obvious abuse. I would have limited low skilled immigration. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Jul 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by Hansy

Couldn't the laws change in the EU? I mean if they think the UK will change laws, couldn't they after also?

To a limited extent I agree.

A government should be able to allow jobs to be filled that it deems necessary. Still, I wouldn't really call this free movement....A bespoke version of it perhaps. However I would be careful with a system like this as it's open to obvious abuse.

I would have limited low skilled immigration.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 12 Jul 17 3.55pm
All while we have ridiculously high incoming immigration levels into this country our housing stock situation worsens and worsens. Along with the check on immigration our government needs to redouble its efforts into house building. It needs to start the long process of making up for the almost criminal actions of housing neglect that previous governments have allowed. Mogg made this point on Question Time and it's very cogent. Stop the short term obsession with house prices and move your arses for the coming generations. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 3.56pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Jul 17 3.55pm

All while we have ridiculously high incoming immigration levels into this country our housing stock situation worsens and worsens.

Along with the check on immigration our government needs to redouble its efforts into house building. It needs to start the long process of making up for the almost criminal actions of housing neglect that previous governments have allowed.

Mogg made this point on Question Time and it's very cogent.

Stop the short term obsession with house prices and move your arses for the coming generations.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 3.56pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jul 17 4.26pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Lots of callers into the show explainedwhy they are leaving. Best reason for leaving is that it means less government - always a good thing. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 12 Jul 17 4.26pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Lots of callers into the show explainedwhy they are leaving.

Best reason for leaving is that it means less government - always a good thing.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hansy 12 Jul 17 4.27pm
I don't agree with low skilled immigration. I just don't agree with the whole concept of having people from the EU migrate with no skills over skilled Commonwealth citizens wanting to live here. If anyone has a skill and they want to make use for it in the UK, why not? As much as people are against colonialism, I still think we should be helping the British people first, and the Commonwealth people a close second. Edited by Hansy (12 Jul 2017 4.28pm)

Hansy

12 Jul 17 4.27pm

I don't agree with low skilled immigration. I just don't agree with the whole concept of having people from the EU migrate with no skills over skilled Commonwealth citizens wanting to live here. If anyone has a skill and they want to make use for it in the UK, why not?

As much as people are against colonialism, I still think we should be helping the British people first, and the Commonwealth people a close second.

Edited by Hansy (12 Jul 2017 4.28pm)

Hansy 12 Jul 17 4.28pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Best reason for leaving is that it means less government - always a good thing. It's easier to say you're leaving, than actually leave. I have been saying I am leaving my current job for 3 years I am still here though.

Hansy

12 Jul 17 4.28pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Best reason for leaving is that it means less government - always a good thing.

It's easier to say you're leaving, than actually leave. I have been saying I am leaving my current job for 3 years I am still here though.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 17 5.43pm
Originally posted by Hansy For me I am happy with free movement if those immigrating have jobs lined up, or actively looking to work in the UK. I discussed my version a few posts up, I don't agree with immigrating and taking advantage of a country's system. Couldn't the laws change in the EU? I mean if they think the UK will change laws, couldn't they after also? Countries within the EU already have the right to curb immigration and put in stringent rules ie. Leave if you haven't got a job within 3 months. It's been a bit of a fallacy that we can only be more stringent with immigration rules if we leave the EU.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 17 5.43pm

Originally posted by Hansy

Couldn't the laws change in the EU? I mean if they think the UK will change laws, couldn't they after also?

Countries within the EU already have the right to curb immigration and put in stringent rules ie. Leave if you haven't got a job within 3 months. It's been a bit of a fallacy that we can only be more stringent with immigration rules if we leave the EU.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jul 17 5.54pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Best reason for leaving is that it means less government - always a good thing. Grenfell Tower.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 12 Jul 17 5.54pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Best reason for leaving is that it means less government - always a good thing.

Grenfell Tower.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jul 17 5.55pm
Originally posted by Hansy I don't agree with low skilled immigration. I just don't agree with the whole concept of having people from the EU migrate with no skills over skilled Commonwealth citizens wanting to live here. If anyone has a skill and they want to make use for it in the UK, why not? As much as people are against colonialism, I still think we should be helping the British people first, and the Commonwealth people a close second. Edited by Hansy (12 Jul 2017 4.28pm) We won't be helping anyone with this government's attitude towards workers and pay, irrespective of where they were born and to whom (unless they are wealthy to begin with).

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 12 Jul 17 5.55pm

Originally posted by Hansy

As much as people are against colonialism, I still think we should be helping the British people first, and the Commonwealth people a close second.

Edited by Hansy (12 Jul 2017 4.28pm)

We won't be helping anyone with this government's attitude towards workers and pay, irrespective of where they were born and to whom (unless they are wealthy to begin with).

hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jul 17 5.57pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Grenfell Tower. It was government that decided to fit cladding just because they thought it looked nice. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 12 Jul 17 5.57pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Grenfell Tower.

It was government that decided to fit cladding just because they thought it looked nice.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hansy 12 Jul 17 6.00pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 It was government that decided to fit cladding just because they thought it looked nice. And not the building company that fitted it because it was cheaper and against building regulations.

Hansy

12 Jul 17 6.00pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It was government that decided to fit cladding just because they thought it looked nice.

And not the building company that fitted it because it was cheaper and against building regulations.

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