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 Kermit8  Hevon 13 Jul 17 6.13pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Brexit will....in my view...be successful...compared to staying in....It might take some time but ultimately I think that's highly likely.....That's if we leave...with all the hand tying BS going on by tacid remainers it's open to question. When you look at the EU, it's a walking economic disaster waiting to happen propped up by idealists who are creating far more harm than good.....good intentions or not. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2017 6.10pm) Emotive nonsense. It's a very powerful trading bloc. The most powerful in the world. It's going to take a lot to topple it. But then why would we want it to fail? It will only harm us even more if it does. And you and I will be six feet under if Brexit ever becomes a success compared to the now.
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steeleye20  Croydon 13 Jul 17 6.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Brexit will....in my view...be successful...compared to staying in....It might take some time but ultimately I think that's highly likely.....That's if we leave...with all the hand tying BS going on by tacid remainers it's open to question. When you look at the EU, it's a walking economic disaster waiting to happen propped up by idealists who are creating far more harm than good.....good intentions or not.
Why do you look at the EU at all? Shouldn't you be looking at the UK as a 'walking financial disaster'. The UK is bankrupt cannot pay its debts. Its for the EU to manage its own future it doesn't need advice from the UK. Remember when the UK would lecture the EU about its successful economy what does it look like now.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Jul 17 6.25pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
These failings aren't mere incompetence. They are part of an active drive to reduce the influence of the state and give corporations free rein. The very thing you said was a universal good. I'm not the one who made such a statement you were. I merely pointed out an example which exposed the inaccuracy of what you say. I don't want a totalitarian state, but it's government's responsibility to provide public goods but also intervene where markets are inefficient and to redress the imbalances in society and tackle social and economic inefficiencies such as high levels of inequality. Free markets don't do this. No, they are failings of government, they were responsible for the activities you list, not private business. I didn't say anything was a universal good - nothing is. I do say that businesses and market forces are better at doing things than the government. In your set up, who intervenes where services are inefficient and where there are imbalances in society (whatever that really means). Are inequalities causes of economic inefficiency?
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europalace  Europe 13 Jul 17 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Emotive nonsense. It's a very powerful trading bloc. The most powerful in the world. It's going to take a lot to topple it. But then why would we want it to fail? It will only harm us even more if it does. And you and I will be six feet under if Brexit ever becomes a success compared to the now. The EU has a GDP 50% larger than that of China and 7 times larger than the UK.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Jul 17 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
The EU has a GDP 50% larger than that of China and 7 times larger than the UK. Well, a union isn't a country of course...even though disasters like you would no doubt have it as one. Those statistics are no doubt complied with the UK within them....We are one of only three net contributors.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 13 Jul 17 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
No, they are failings of government, they were responsible for the activities you list, not private business. I didn't say anything was a universal good - nothing is. I do say that businesses and market forces are better at doing things than the government. In your set up, who intervenes where services are inefficient and where there are imbalances in society (whatever that really means). Are inequalities causes of economic inefficiency? Well yeah, for people that can afford it - healthcare and education, for example. But for those that can't, the vast majority, Government 'interference' to provide is 100% needed. As well as the above we need defence, Law/Justice, Environmental care, roadworks, food and rural affairs, etc all to be administered by The State. You may disagree so how would you expect private enterprise and market forces to do better for the people of the UK if they were given free rein to take over those sectors?
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| Stirlingsays 13 Jul 17 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Why do you look at the EU at all? Shouldn't you be looking at the UK as a 'walking financial disaster'. The UK is bankrupt cannot pay its debts. Its for the EU to manage its own future it doesn't need advice from the UK. Remember when the UK would lecture the EU about its successful economy what does it look like now. Errr....We are paying our debts...Put down the juice and your anti British glasses. Holistically economically we are and have been doing well for a very long time.....I say that while recognising that we do have issues....But not ones connected to brexit.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Jul 17 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Emotive nonsense. It's a very powerful trading bloc. The most powerful in the world. It's going to take a lot to topple it. But then why would we want it to fail? It will only harm us even more if it does. And you and I will be six feet under if Brexit ever becomes a success compared to the now. It's not emotive nonsense at all. Yes the EU is a powerful trading block as its propped up by Germany. It's also very sick economically and constantly having to invent money long after the financial crash nearly ten years ago.....Do you actually look into the EU and how it is doing? I don't actually wish the EU to go down....I would wish for it to reform...but I know that's not going to happen until it does crash and burn....But I most definitely don't wish for human suffering...quite the contrary. We shall see who is right and who is wrong about Brexit Kermit.
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Jul 17 6.56pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well yeah, for people that can afford it - healthcare and education, for example. But for those that can't, the vast majority, Government 'interference' to provide is 100% needed. As well as the above we need defence, Law/Justice, Environmental care, roadworks, food and rural affairs, etc all to be administered by The State. You may disagree so how would you expect private enterprise and market forces to do better for the people of the UK if they were given free rein to take over those sectors? Do you really believe that the EU, the belweather of horse trading, has our best interests at heart? Every time you have posted something on here about how great the EU is, for example environmental law, it has been slapped back in your face how they failed with the diesel scandal. I do appreciate that you have dug yourself in a hole with your unconditional support of the EU but your position is ridiculous. We will be better out. Their banks are collapsing, we will pay to do a trade deal and hen we can trade, at our terms, with the World. Deal with it Michael. You backed he wrong horse.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 13 Jul 17 6.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Errr....We are paying our debts...Put down the juice and your anti British glasses. Holistically economically we are and have been doing well for a very long time.....I say that while recognising that we do have issues....But not ones connected to brexit. The UK is only paying toward the interest on its debts that is all. The amount is 1.7 trillion escalating to 2 trillion by 2020.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Jul 17 7.00pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK is only paying toward the interest on its debts that is all. The amount is 1.7 trillion escalating to 2 trillion by 2020. The EU is 12.5 trillion in debt. Unlike the UK it isn't paying down its deficit.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 13 Jul 17 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK is only paying toward the interest on its debts that is all. The amount is 1.7 trillion escalating to 2 trillion by 2020. But...but...but I've always been told it was The Tories that were good for the nation's housekeeping and that labour were spendthrifts. UK debt of GDP 64.5% under Labour in 2009 (last full year of their administration) and by 2015 under The Tories it was 89.1%. Not sure what it is now. I daren't look.
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| europalace Europe 13 Jul 17 7.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, a union isn't a country of course...even though disasters like you would no doubt have it as one. Those statistics are no doubt complied with the UK within them....We are one of only three net contributors.
Well, I expected that kind of reply from someone like yourself (and a few others on here) who are desperately attempting to defend the disastrous situation the UK has put itself in. The fact is other large economies want to deal with other large economies and the EU with its structure acts as one economy whether you like that or not. That's why Japan has signed a deal recently with the EU and China will follow shortly together with the US. After that, the pecking order goes right down where you'll find the UK, fact of life. Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.11pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Jul 17 7.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, a union isn't a country of course...even though disasters like you would no doubt have it as one.
What f***ing bulls***. Baseless f***ing bulls***.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Jul 17 7.33pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well yeah, for people that can afford it - healthcare and education, for example. But for those that can't, the vast majority, Government 'interference' to provide is 100% needed. As well as the above we need defence, Law/Justice, Environmental care, roadworks, food and rural affairs, etc all to be administered by The State. You may disagree so how would you expect private enterprise and market forces to do better for the people of the UK if they were given free rein to take over those sectors? If you read my previous posts on this, I agree that the state must carry out most of the functions you mention.
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| europalace Europe 13 Jul 17 7.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The EU is 12.5 trillion in debt. Unlike the UK it isn't paying down its deficit. Well that's around 85% of GDP which isn't particularly bad at all. The difference is that the EU can get the prime deals with the other large economies worldwide (who are now starting to queue up to do so), something that the UK clearly can't and won't be able to for a long time. What's the UK's debt as a % of GDP? I know but let's see if you know and tell me if it's much better than that of the EU. Debt on it's own is meaningless unless it's shown as a % of GDP. Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.37pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Jul 17 7.42pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Well that's around 85% of GDP which isn't particularly bad at all. The difference is that the EU can get the prime deals with the other large economies worldwide (who are now starting to queue up to do so), something that the UK clearly can't and won't be able to for a long time. What's the UK's debt as a % of GDP? I know but let's see if you know and tell me if it's much better than that of the EU. Debt on it's own is meaningless unless it's shown as a % of GDP. Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.37pm) I guess it is easier to manage debt when you live in a tax haven.
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| europalace Europe 13 Jul 17 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I guess it is easier to manage debt when you live in a tax haven.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Jul 17 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Well that's around 85% of GDP which isn't particularly bad at all. The difference is that the EU can get the prime deals with the other large economies worldwide (who are now starting to queue up to do so), something that the UK clearly can't and won't be able to for a long time. What's the UK's debt as a % of GDP? I know but let's see if you know and tell me if it's much better than that of the EU. Debt on it's own is meaningless unless it's shown as a % of GDP. I suppose it is easy for you to bash away at your keyboard but it is a different story when you are offered a face to face meet up. I am still waiting for you to agree but after two months you are still chicken to take me up on my offer. You just keep plugging away at the keys on your keyboard posting loads of cr@p !!! Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.37pm)
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| Stirlingsays 13 Jul 17 7.54pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Well that's around 85% of GDP which isn't particularly bad at all. The difference is that the EU can get the prime deals with the other large economies worldwide (who are now starting to queue up to do so), something that the UK clearly can't and won't be able to for a long time. What's the UK's debt as a % of GDP? I know but let's see if you know and tell me if it's much better than that of the EU. Debt on it's own is meaningless unless it's shown as a % of GDP. Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.37pm) The EU is only at 85 percent if you measure it at the EU28. The UK's debt to GDP is at 89.30 percent when last checkied I think. So basically your crowing is ridiculous. The EU is about to lose one of its few strong and net economies.....one that is actually reducing its deficit. Meanwhile the EU is only going one way.....Still, it has fantasists like you to BS about it doesn't it.
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